Read-Option: Do You Still Believe?

Y’all know what I think, now it’s your turn.

Where are you with Jameis Winston? Do you believe he can salvage his place here in Tampa Bay? is this benching just a bump in the road? Or is it much more – perhaps the end of the road for him in Tampa Bay? Remember, the Bucs picked up his fifth-year option for next year, but it’s only guaranteed for injury.

Bucs QB Jameis Winston - photo by: Mary Holt/Pewter Report
Bucs QB Jameis Winston – photo by: Mary Holt/Pewter Report

Where were you on Winston pre-draft? Did you want him or Marcus Mariota? Would you rather have Mariota and his three touchdowns and five interceptions? How has your opinion changed since draft day, or has it at all?

Do you believe Winston can take this team to the playoff and a Super Bowl? If so, tell me how it happens.

The floor is yours.

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Trevor Sikkema is the Tampa Bay Buccaneers beat reporter and NFL Draft analyst for PewterReport.com. Sikkema, an alumnus of the University of Florida, has covered both college and professional football for much of his career. As a native of the Sunshine State, when he's not buried in social media, Sikkema can be found out and active, attempting to be the best athlete he never was. Sikkema can be reached at: [email protected]
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Brooks Dunn-Winston

I think Winston’s been great and this is much ado about nothing.

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As far as his career here in Tampa he’s had a good career. This season hasn’t been his best season though especially the Bengals game.

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Freeman Strickland

Winston played like someone who had not slept all night; maybe he could,’t sleep. That can destroy anyone’s job performance. He has played and can play much better. Staring down receivers; terrible mechanics; awful decisions – he is much better than this. Diagnose the cause(s) and fix it(them). Meanwhile, play Fitzpatrick. In baseball, the manager is expected to pull his starter when the starter clearly is having a bad start. And, some starters get put on a short leash for a while. Winston should have been on a short leash, and he should have been pulled sooner. That game was… Read more »

Kimba

He probably is not ever sleeping,the new baby would have alot to do with that. Also he knows that the team was happy with Fitzpatrick and he is embarassed by his 3 game suspension. He is under huge pressure in many ways. The Bucs should have a sports psychologist on staff for him(and others)at One Buc Place.

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WestChap

Are you out of your mind? IF you ignore the off-field stuff, he’s an elite talent who wastes that talent making bad decisions slowwwwly. I confess to being an idiot as I wanted Mariota and he’s been almost as frustrating but for different reasons. Neither are Ryan Leaf or Jamarcus Russell… so it could be worse? You have to wish him well and send him on his way getting whatever you can in return. Those 4 picks last week and the ones dropped make for some ugly tape… but maybe someone is willing to bet/hope they can release his inner… Read more »

Ron Gibson

When did Leaf or Russel throw for 4000 yards ? Jameis was brought in and thrown to the wolves and he was what just 20 ! And that was behind as bad an OL as we have now. Geoff could not even learn the playbook and now look. Favre was sitting on the bench at Atlanta before being traded. Manning started as a rookie and had a terrible year behind a decent OL. We recently had a few young QBs get off to fast start as rookies – One still recovering from season ending injury. That’s an anomaly, IMO. In… Read more »

Clay

Drew Brees in year three threw 11 touchdowns and 15 interceptions. Brett Favre in year three threw 19 touchdowns and 24 interceptions. Peyton Manning in year four threw 26 touchdowns to 23 interceptions. Matt Stafford fared the best of them but still in his fourth year threw 20 touchdowns to 17 interceptions.

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Ron Gibson

I bet the rams are counting their blessings right now that they did not hurry Geoff ! BTW, I was at the game in Tampa stadium when Favre came in when they benched the magic man. I was like, “Who does this guy think he is flinging the ball around like that ?” “In the second game of the 1992 season, the Packers played the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. The Buccaneers were leading 17–0 at halftime when head coach Mike Holmgren benched starting quarterback Don Majkowski and Favre played the second half.” Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet.… Read more »

Naplesfan

The NFL was a very different league in those days … defenses were still dominant, as were running games … today it is all offense and all passing, with very weak defenses due to the rules. Comparing TDs and INTs from even a decade ago to today is like comparing baseball stats from the dead ball era to today.

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GrayBalls

Who is Geoff?

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Ron Gibson

OMG – The ghost of miss jones – GOFF. Did you think I meant anyone else ?

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GrayBalls

I did not. The question was asked in jest. But maybe you should buy yourself a pair of panties that fit, the ones you’re wearing seem to be a little bunched

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slaythembucs

I said last week that we have to give Winston a good running game before judging and i think we had a decent run game against the Bengals but Winston still continued to do the mistakes and it almost seems the defense knew what he was gonna do before be was gonna do it. They were happily dropping players into coverage and leaving underneath stuff wide open knowing he wouldn’t take the safe option and he did exactly that. One of his worst games when he was playing for his career not something i want to see in a franchise… Read more »

Michael Prayon

Yep exactly. I want nothing but the best for Winston but his decision making doesn’t seem to have gotten better.

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BUC-ASS-BOB

The management would keep there job had they played best QB and get to playoffs, but fact they did not play best players shows they deserve to get fired. When they had ball off to RJ they lose the important down and put the team 3rd and long, they play him to save there job. When they put fat man Vea in the game he looks like a fool, big plays are made by other team. If the GM cared about the team, remember there are 53 players with families to take care of not mention the coaches and fans.… Read more »

Horse

You keep saying Vea should be on the Practice Squad; dude, any team could call him up and take him off the PS.

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BUC-ASS-BOB

That would be good then they could pay him the 8 mil, No one would touch him with 10′ pole and pay his first draft contract

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GrayBalls

I generally don’t resort to flat-out name calling, but the truth is the truth. You’re an idiot

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Michael Prayon

Where I’m at with Winston is he is still the future. You can’t give up on him even after his poor performance against the Bengals, every QB has had bad games and have had multiple INTs in a game so why is it that when it happens to Winston these fans are ready to run him out of town? Yeah we all are tired of his turnover issues, overthrows, and dumb decisions and yes we are tired of him saying he needs to not turn the ball over but this should not and does not mean this isn’t his team… Read more »

Buc stops here

I think the problem this year is the biggest problem on the team is Winston’s performance. Two more more interceptions every game he played (and only two in Chicago because he only played 30 minutes). Last game was fully at fault for the loss as Fitzpatrick even tied it up more than 2 TDs down and he brought them all the way back. The previous week against Cleveland the defense (shockingly) and the running game (shockingly again) won the game since he threw 3 INTs and did just enough not to cost them to win. I would not worry however.… Read more »

EricNV

I’m only going to take issue with your initial sentence. The biggest problem on the team is not Winston, although he’s a close 2nd place, but the defense until the past 2 games (we would be 6-1 if not for both). You might be correct about the team keeping Winston around for his 5th year, but the Glazers didn’t purchase the Bucs until after Testaverde’s departure. The Glazers might not have the patience with Winston you think they will, but we’ll see about that after the season.

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Buc stops here

Good point Eric. We will see if the Glazers have the same patience or not. I think they might but I could be wrong about that.

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Naplesfan

A commenter who uses Bucco Bruce for his icon, lecturing the rest of us about the quarterback of the future?

Seriously???

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Ron Gibson

Correct. I too have watched the many ridiculous moves the Bucs have made since 1976. Oh man did the bigots ever hate Doug Williams who had a spotless record across the board but he was Black. Steve Young – No one could coach him good enough to not take off running – We give up and he is in the HOF.

BTW, Fitz threw 6 INTs in 2016 against KC and the Jets stuck with him

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Buc stops here

Agreed with this article. Who does Winston remind me of? Another Bucs #1 pick – Vinny Testaverde. Never could stop throwing critical INTs, and the Bucs kept him for 6 long years before giving up on him. He occasionally played a little better outside of Tampa but basically rooted around the NFL for many years never amounting to much of anything. I see the same future for Winston. Even Josh Freeman had one good year before he had a meltdown of confidence and his career ended. Winston may never even see that level of success. The Bucs will stick with… Read more »

Michael Prayon

Vinny Testaverde? Seriously? That’s a stretch. Vinny only threw more TDs than INTs 7 times in his career and he played 21 years, only got selected to 2 Pro Bowls. Winston is not that bad. Winston is in his 4th year and out of his 4 years hes thrown more TDs that INTs 3 times and already has a Pro Bowl under his belt, franchise records and NFL records. Winston needs to get his act together and he can do it, he has it in him.

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Horse

It’s all about winning and neither of them know how to do it when they are under pressure. This the NFL, not Miami or FSU.

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Buc stops here

Seriously Testaverde. Throwing one more TD than iINT is not a great year. They years he did better were: 14 TD 9 INTs – 1993 (Cleveland Browns) 17 TDs 10 INTs – 1995 (Cleveland Browns) 33 TDs 19 INTs – 1996 (Baltimore Ravens) 18 TDs 15 INTs – 1997 29 TDs 19 INTs – 1998 15 TDs 14 INTs – 2001 (NY Jets) 7 Tds 2 INTS – 2003 1 TD 0 INTS – 2006 (New England Patriots) His two pro bowl years he melted down in the playoffs, throwing multiple picks in the Ravens losses each year (his best… Read more »

Bucsfan1983

I wanted him over Mariota and still would take him over Mariota today.

I’m probably in the minority, but I still have faith Winston can get things turned around.

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Buc stops here

Take a look at Mariotta’s stats. He did well his first two years when he was not a pocket passer and they let him play like he did in college. Then they forced him to play pocket his third year and his performance declined drastically. He played in 15 games but started about half of them it got so bad. This year is no better. More INTs than TDs and he got hurt. Mariotta is not going to be a great NFL QB, he maybe a servicable starter. Time will tell as I suspect Tennessee will give him another chance.… Read more »

Michael Prayon

Mariota? The guy who has 3 TDs and 5 INTs, 3 FUM, 1,030 YDS in 6 games this year? Just making sure that’s the guy you’re talking about lol

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EricNV

Who also doesn’t have the offensive weapons Winston has.

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chefboho

Yet Mariota has a much better offensive line, running game, and defense so what’s your point?

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sunshineben

Winston will make a very good back up qb on another team!

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EricNV

I agree, and I’m not a Jameis “hater” at all. I was excited when the team drafted him, but his decision-making skills are just plain awful. I was encouraged by what we saw of him during the preseason, which is what all of us thought we might get once his suspension was over. Alas, it hasn’t happened that way. This team has some really difficult decisions to make during the off-season. Although I don’t fault Licht for drafting Winston (remember, Lovie was the one who fell in love with Winston enough to throw a game to make sure we drafted… Read more »

Jonathan Goodfellow

Winston has been so much worse this year than in his first 3 years. Its insane. If he was playing at the level he played at in 2016 or 2017 than we wouldnt be benching him, even if Fitz was playing better. He does not deserve to start right now but honestly its scary to thing about completely throwing in the towel just to watch him figure it out 2 years from now for some other team. Yes all those QBs figured it out in their 2nd and 3rd years, but they were also older and had more QB experience… Read more »

Horse

Not for 21 Million!

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He will get one more year for that very reason. They gave Testaverde 6 years for worse play. Never improved his decision making. Even played for a Super Bowl calliber team Baltimore Ravens during his career for three years, played better (more TDs than INTs) but melted down in the playoffs and never amounted to much even with two pro bowl seasons those three years. Ravens gave up and moved on after just three years with him. So the Bucs will give him the 5th year most likely. He will continue to disappoint even if he shows occasional improvement in… Read more »

Naplesfan

“They” will be out of a job in a couple months.

There will be a new regime, and it will not be tied in the least to Winston, and will want to build on the good offensive skill players by playing Fitz at least another year, draft a young QB, and focus on rebuilding the defense, the O-line, and the running back group.

No can do if paying $21M to a bad quarterback.

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scubog

Who is the young QB you are drafting? 2019 or 2020? Just curious.

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Naplesfan

I’m not a draft expert. But I do remember extremely well how much shit that Andy Reid and the Chiefs tooks when they moved up in the draft a year and a half ago to take Mahomes (who????), whom virtually everybody not a Chief said would be a terrible bust in the NFL. Ditto with all the snarky comments made by Bucs fans and especially Winston fans about how horrible the quarterback class was in 2016 compared to the draft in 2015, and that Wentz and Goff were destined to be horrible busts, not fit to shine Winston’s cleats, blahblahblah,… Read more »

Jlog

He’s too impulsive and it’s hurts him on and off the field. That’s is his single biggest shortcoming and far harder to correct than mechanics in a game as fast paced as football.

Overriding that instinctive urge would slow his mental processing down dramatically until the tendency was corrected. Average reaction time for his age is from 250-300ms so just over a quarter of second, to consciously process the decision would take 3-4 times as long.

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mcmcbrideinUT

That was an excellent article that articulates my thoughts on the QB situation in Tampa. I would only add that it is not all on Fitzpatrick. The Offensive line is now the only weakness on the Tampa Bay Offense. In my opinion, get some creative pass protection to keep the “magic” going. And, make Griffin the #2 QB.

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SenileSenior

If we are not “forced” into drafting a QB in the first round by our circumstances next spring maybe we can grab a good RG or RT in the first. I am unsure what the future for Alex Cappa is at this time. No matter who the GM is at that time maybe we could draft a QB like Clayton Thorson from Northwestern in the second round and actually spend a couple of years developing him as an NFL QB like was done in times past. Again, I am totally unsure of what we have in Ryan Griffith right now.… Read more »

cbbucfan

Winston reminds me of what the late Bill Walsh once said of Steve DeBerg: “He’s just good enough to get you beat.” And that just seems to be the case with Winston. He will make some terrific passes, and occasionally pull the football down and scramble for first downs when protection breaks down, but over the course of every game, he makes a few critical mistakes that keep costing this team wins. Whether it is interceptions or fumbles, the turnovers on a weekly basis just don’t go away. He should be winless as a starting QB this season. The Browns… Read more »

twspin

I always..LMAO at my tem..the Bucs..every GD year. So we want to move on from Jameis after arguably his worst game in his career. All QB’s have had a couple. Need I remind those of you..who were in diapers and still suckling back in the day…QB’s Doug Williams, Steve Young, Trent Dilfer all played here. Fans got mad at them to. They went elsewhere and won..Superbowls!! I think differently. I think..Koetter should go. He won’t reach 500 this year. Bring in a new HC with some different ideas. Keep Jameis. he had a bad game people. fitzmagic is a journeyman… Read more »

Crack3rK

Nice article and well reasoned, Trevor. Answering your questions- I wanted the Bucs to draft Mariota due to Winston’s character issues in college. Over time, he won me over with his personality and crazy play -maddening at times, thrilling at other times. I came to believe in his work ethic, study and commitment to the team. And I really thought this year would be his time to shine. But those off-field demons came back to haunt him and his team. I think Fitz Magic is in his head. He’s chasing the ghost of the first two games. I do believe… Read more »

Horse

good Article Trevor and agree with your analysis. Time to move on folks.

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alan skelly

Koetter is an offensive minded coach, right? Isn’t this the best Bucs offense in our entire history? Despite an iffy o line, despite no elite rb, despite a streaky journeyman qb, despite a bust #1 pick , despite a kicker who cannot. Driven by an elite group of receivers Koetter has at least given us our best offense ever. Do not forget that our SB winning offense were poor for most of the season until the playoffs. Koetters biggest weakness has been that of trusting his friend to build a defense for the team. If Licht’s fate hinged on that… Read more »

calibucsfan16

Great article. I think Jameis has totally lost the confidence in his teammates. Can he be salvaged? Yes, but not necessarily in tampa unless there is a coaching change. My question is, does Jameis just need a different coach in his ear? A different offense that doesn’t have every attempt 15+ yds down the field? Maybe, but I’m not for blowing up everything for one guy. I want him to succeed, and wish him the best, but in my opinion, he is done in Tampa

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Horse

Lets don’t panic here. Winston should sit and be In Active the rest of the season. We shouldn’t follow thru exercising the option. If Winston was willing to play 2019 for 8 Million maybe we sign him, but he won’t be handed the starting job or he’ll just go back as same ole same ole. If I’m the Glazer’s, I’m hiring an experienced President for the Buccaneer Operations and let that person handled what to do. This is something that should have been done after Father Glazer died and not have the children be so closely involved. Hey the Glazer’s… Read more »

Naplesfan

Horse, I’m with you all the way – your plan is just what the Bucs need. Inactivating Winston prevents him from getting a $21M injury award, killing our cap space in 2019. Hiring a quality President of Football Operations makes tremendous sense, because the baby Glazers are senseless when it comes to running the franchise. Another commenter suggested Tony Dungy as that person – I think he would be a superb choice for PFO. He would see that the defense gets properly rebuilt, he knows the entire universe of NFL personnel, so he would be very qualified to hire the… Read more »

scubog

Those “baby” Glazers are grown men and a woman in their 50’s. Rather them than the meddling Jerry Jones playing fantasy football and mugging for the cameras. I do think having a team President to hire and oversee the GM and coaching staff might help. Can’t hurt. Dungy would be at the very least, a respected option. Perhaps their are others with whom we aren’t as familiar. Thought that plan (Tom Coughlin) was working for the Jaguars when they were so successful last season. Not so sure now. See Naples, we can agree on some things. Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb… Read more »

SenileSenior

Horse, JP Peterson floated a similar idea on the radio this afternoon (Tuesday the 30th). He suggested none other than Derrick Brooks for the job. I don’t recall if he specifically said “President of Football Operations”. I did take him to mean someone who would be a football person who would be under the Glazers and over the GM, Jason Licht. I have also noted that Licht currently reports directly to the Glazers and has Shelton Quarles as Director of Football Operations and Mike Greenberg as Director of Football Administration among those who serve under him. Obviously this would mean… Read more »

Horse

How’s it been working the last several years?

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SenileSenior

I am all for the idea! The Bucs need to drastically change a bad pattern that has prevailed through different ownership eras as well as all other regime changes with the exception of our Super Bowl era.

They need to examine every winning regime and learn what works. Then they must find a football person to oversee a solid plan.
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Can we as fans come together somehow and start a grassroots movement that could cause the Glazers to buy into this!

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Go Bucs!!!!!!

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bculaw

I’m a big Winston supporter, but am on the fence as to whether he has a future here. The fan base was never behind him, and he alienated many of his supporters with the Uber incident (which is still ongoing). He needs to sit in anonymity for a year or two behind an established starter to let wounds heal (personal and professional) and hone his craft. Pittsburgh or NE? That said, the Bucs ownership has a decision to make. Does it believe in Dirk? Does it believe in Winston? Or neither? Jared Goff looked like a high school QB under… Read more »

Jlog

The only way I see him staying if they cut him after the season voiding the contract extension and he resigns at backup pay.

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Horse

Those are good points.
Neither Jimbo Fisher, DirK Koetter, Monkin, any FSU quarterback coach, any Buccaneer quarterback coach, or any private coaches could convince Winston to eat the ball or throw it out of bounds.
That’s the problem.

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alan skelly

lol it’s 1977 all over again. Lose to the Bucs and the coaches get fired. Boy, we have come long way. Testaverde comps are fair – do not forget Dilfer always missed high. I remember a sunday when the crowd chanted JEFF CARLSON in hopes he could come in and save the day. Craig Erickson wow. Steve Deberg -twice. Byron Leftwich. Chris Chandler. Jack Thompson. Oh shit. LMFAO. Bruce Gradkowski!!! Josh Freeman!!!Josh freakin Johnson!!!!!! Boy we really dodged a bullet with Gruden. Trevor needs to start a ‘Get Dungy Back’ into this organization. Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No… Read more »

HomerSimpsonRocks

I’ll start by saying I graduated from FSU and was overjoyed initially by the Bucs’ drafting of Winston. I explained away his penchant for interceptions and his off the field apparent sense of entitlement and lack of consequences for his actions. I explained away his sexual assault allegation, thinking Kinsman was a disgruntled gold-digger. As I’ve watched him play I became increasingly of the opinion that he keeps making same mistakes, the same lack of impulse control, not being able to lead a wide receiver much of the time, throwing behind and high, the interceptions, the occasional hot headed outburst.… Read more »

alan skelly

High quality organizations make sound decisions and then stand behind them. Steelers have had how many Head Coaches since the Bucs came into existence. Hell, I think we have had more HCs than they have had qbs since 1976. Tony Dungy came from that organization and the Bucs became class the second he came through the door and lost it the second he was kicked out the door. Traded class for superbowl. Now Glazers need to swallow their pride and at least consult with the man. One more idea – take the Jameis money and throw it at the GM… Read more »

Darin

The Bucs have not been Winstons team since his suspension, possibly sooner. His charade of a leader came crashing down. These guys see hin every day. They respect Fitz alot more and it shows in their play. Winston wasnt voted a captain which said it all. Too bad the regine has so much invested. If theyd have let smitty go sooner n kept fitz in it’d be a whole different story. But we know about ifs. Dirks got this thing a mess. Adios Dirky.

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Naplesfan

A couple of comments on Trevor’s piece: 1) I don’t subscribe to any team being “owned” by a given quarterback … not even the Packers or the Patriots are owned by their quarterbacks. A team is “owned” by the owner, managed by the manager, coached by the coaches, and the players are just players, not owners. 2) In line with point 1, quarterbacks are way overvalued and way over emphasized in importance. Football is a team sport. The league is paying way too much to quarterbacks, such that they can no longer afford to pay the key stars that do… Read more »

Horse

Naplesfan, very good points.

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scubog

Gee Naples. I’m agreeing with you again. While the going rate for QB’s is what it is; it’s still often disproportionate to the rest of the player’s salaries. I also concur that Jameis Winston is not a $21M QB and I don’t think he’ll be here next year at that value unless he somehow gets his gig back and becomes the player we hoped he’d become by now.

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Horse

scubog, agree

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JustaBuc

This article might be as well just be a can of worms because it’s almost nothing but bait. I imagine I will come to this article in 6 hours and see 100 new comments and endless amounts of arguing about Winston v Mariota, coaching, defense etc etc. Anyway, one thing that did raise my eyebrow a bit lately is this just bizarre supposition that Koetter/Licht are fired if Winston sits or is gone. Like, why? I just know such a sentiment is going to catch flak because the fanbase is in burn-it-down mode, but I just don’t see why this… Read more »

a-bomb

I have been a Winston supporter, because his talent is palpable. While I agree the turnovers are a problem, anybody can have a bad game or two. The thing that has really changed my mind is his inability to make the throws that utilize the skills of the receiving options and the play design. Trevor’s article does a good job of demonstrating that he is still missing the open receiver, still stares down receivers and is not able to take what the defense gives him. Watching the play-calling, it is clear that they are not running the same plays that… Read more »

Mic

The best thing to happen for Winston is to let the dust settle and prepare for when his time comes, I’m not all to sure Fitz can last an entire season health wise you get brittle as you get older.

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stlbucsfan

Will you please write a cover 78 on Jason Licht? He’s whiffed on countless free agents and blown entire draft classes and looks to be off to another awful head start with this current crop of rookies. Our 2016 draft of VHIII, Aguayo and Spence looks to rival only the Cleveland Browns as an all time terrible top 3 picks. He wanted to upgrade the secondary so he re-signs a 35 year old CB whose on play production decreased last year, spent a high 2nd on a CB with athletic deficiencies and drafted another CB in the 2nd who excelled… Read more »

surferdudes

The question was not compare Winston to other Q.B.’s, but should he remain a Buc. My answer is no. I thought even after the suspension that we should use this year as the make, or break point for whether to decide to keep him, or move on. I was hoping the light would finally come on for him in year four. I was hoping getting married, and having a family he would become the face of the franchise we could win with, and all be proud of. He had a great preseason not throwing picks, but those games don’t count.… Read more »

martinii

I agree fully surfer, but at what point does it stop becoming a game and start becoming Reality TV? At what point do we stop watching it for the touchdowns, tackles, interceptions, field goals, great and bad plays ect and start watching it for the organizational drama, who gets cut, who gets drafted or the ever tantalizing lets rip it apart and start again saga. Where does the entertainment come from, The Game, Or the Drama? (OR BOTH)

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TheBaron70

I have agonized over where this team goes from here. The answers are not easy and management has to be having a much harder time than I am. Contrary to what most think, this isn’t about Winston vs. Mariota. We’re way past that. It’s strictly about what the franchise does if they cut ties and what they do if they keep Jameis around. Either way, I think it necessitates a regime change. You have a coach that you hired to develop Winston and he’s failed, so if you keep Jameis, the coach has to go. If you get rid of… Read more »

Devasher

Trevor to further your point about Jameis first game at Pittsburgh he completed 92.6% of his passes for 356 yards, 4 TD’s and 0 INT’s. His college QB rating was 252.2 and guess what? That first game would remain the best game of his college or professional career by rating. Winston would go on to have 6 games his Freshman year where his QB rating would be 195+. Winston would never have a college game like that after Nov 16 2013. You know what happened Nov 14 2013, Trevor? The State Attorney announced the opening of the rape investigation with… Read more »

Karl

It’s deja vu all over again – Yogi Berra. We train ‘em then give ‘em away when they fall out of favor. They go to other teams who benefit from their best years as NFL QBs. Stay the course with JW. He asked to be coached hard, let him have it, fire all the cannons. Benching JW is justified and appropriate as a method to break the mold he’s currently stuck in. Well done Coach K. And it will be fun to ride the Fitzmagic bus for a couple or few games before bringing JW back. JW has been able… Read more »

Bucboi78

Hire Dungy keep Winston and Fitz bring in Romo go Bucs!!!!!

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ZammyPup

As always, excellent article. I’m totally digging the term, “Sunk Cost Fallacy”. That’s where we are with Jameis. Here’s the deal, in my opinion…we fans deserve a little hope, not just prolonged suffering. Time to make decisions that will “keep” the team mojo and “keep” the fan base. Sure, we’ll be the perpetual underdog…but at least it’ll be fun. My personal expectations are level-set regarding Fitz. I trade on the hope that he’ll surprise us all with a strong run. At minimum, I won’t feel punched in the nuts each week b/c I’ll be expecting it. When I’m not…like in… Read more »

scot pederson

Those QBs such as Manning, Favre and others started in the league decades before it became Arena Ball rules. Because of the pass-happy rules this is why we see so many QBs with Completion % above 60 or even 65% and up. We also see about 15 QBs that could easily pass for 4000 yds, 10 QBs with Ratings over 100.00. So the rules favor QBs not throwing so many Picks but Winston like Blake Bortles just are Mistake Prone. And Bortles doesn’t have the weapons Jameis has. Just poor decision-making and very inaccurate on most of his deep balls.… Read more »

Dman

None of this is good. For all of the Fitz Magic warm fuzzies, the guy is a 34 year old journeyman for a reason. I’m hoping he’s got one last hot streak in him, but I’m keeping the rose colored glasses on the nightstand. I supported making Jamies our #1 pick, and have consistently supported him as our future QB. Reality is a tough thing though. He’s obviously not worth the big contract, maybe the $8 million or so as others have suggested. But last week was a gut punch to the whole organization. This has to settle for a… Read more »

MIArmysoldier

Not necessarily about Jameis…but to get a coach from the college ranks…Harbaugh! Harbaugh! Harbaugh!

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ZammyPup

How excited will DJax be to not simply be a professional wind sprinter?!

His routes will now have potential purpose!

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Ron Gibson

Those other 3rd year players mentioned had an OL that could block and a defense who could stop at least Hillsborough High School.

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EastEndBoy

Trevor, it felt like I was reading a review of Josh Freeman…we simply are not moving forward as a franchise. It’s been a gradual decline since 2003 and we may be hitting rock bottom now. That performance by Winston was as bad as anything Steve Deberg, or Trent Dilfer if you prefer, put up as Yuccaneers. We have regressed to the 1980s, and as fond as I am of that decade, my fondness has absolutely nothing to do with the suffering I endured as a Bucs fan at that time. Let’s get somebody in charge that actually understands football, talent… Read more »

Clay

Trevor needs to do his homework. Stating that all of these quarterbacks turned the corner after year 2 is not even close to accurate. Drew Brees in year three threw 11 touchdowns and 15 interceptions. Brett Favre in year three threw 19 touchdowns and 24 interceptions. Peyton Manning in year four threw 26 touchdowns to 23 interceptions. Matt Stafford fared the best of them but still in his fourth year threw 20 touchdowns to 17 interceptions. You may have chosen the worst 4 quarterbacks in history to prove your point… Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please… Read more »

SenileSenior

I listened to a good portion of Rock Riley’s radio program this afternoon (Tuesday the 30th). One segment featured a discussion with Jeff Carlson a former NFL quarterback. I took away two interesting ideas. Please not that I am neither quoting exactly nor paraphrasing what they said. This is my take on what I heard. First Koetter and his Quarterback’s coach, Mike Bajakian, seem to have failed to correct a basic flaw in Winston’s footwork in the past three and a half years or so. It is about his mechanics. Second, Koetter does not appear to have adjusted his offensive… Read more »

Horse

No, it is incorrect. Coaching staff has worked countless hours and so has private coaching. It definitely is in his head and when he is behind in a game or tied, he goes back as the river boat gambler; problem though, he usually makes even poor decisions and why he misses throws so much is because he’s still not sure if he’s doing the right thing. Other words he talks the talk, but doesn’t walk the walk. In the now Winston is sucking; not sure this team can help him, but maybe a new start elsewhere will force him to… Read more »

SenileSenior

Thanks!

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PriMech54

Horse – Say what you want about his tendencies and decision making, Koetter has never developed an elite qb an doesn’t know how to do so, thus the failure to correct them will still fall on the coach. Always has and always will, and he will more than likely get fired for it. Senile is correct about them not designing an offense to suit his strengths, as I’ve outlined below. You are clamoring that a new start elsewhere will help him confront these faults (which would inherently include a new coaching staff with the skillset needed to help him do… Read more »

bEubanks11

I don’t believe the Glaziers think that Koetter or Licht are the problem and frankly I don’t either. With a historically bad defensive scheme our offensive with a journeyman QB and a turnover machine leading the way have kept us competitive in every game so far this year. We have a gem on offense and finally cut ties with what was keeping our defense from clicking. This offensive scheme is top 5 in the league. It hums with whoever at QB (as long as you don’t hand the ball to the other team on record pace), RB, offensive line… Winston… Read more »

jrwilson85

I can’t believe the Bucs didn’t trade Winston and Jackson before the October 30th deadline. The Bucs have no chance to make the playoffs and Jameis may be the QB of the future somewhere, but not in Tampa. The guy needs a change of scenery. Let some other team deal with his foolishness on and off the field. Jameis has proven to be a sexual predator off the field to go along with his silly ass finger licking routine on the field. The guy is hard headed, he thinks his arm can get a receiver who is double covered open.… Read more »

PriMech54

SeniorSenile Don’t just assume because he runs a website and has access to stats that Trevor has some great breadth of football knowledge. Alot of this lacks any sort of context. He wants to credit those quarterbacks with having “figured it out” by their fourth year, simply assuming because their interception percentages rose (after being downright ugly so far in their careers) by that time, and that Winston’s has fallen. We’ll not mention that Winston’s only started enough games to cover a 3 year spread – not 4 – but we should take into context that part of his assumption,… Read more »

Ron Potter

This article panders to the pro-Fitz crowd/anti-Winston crowd. This article draws a divisive line, not a unifying line. Sorry Trevor, but it does. If you want to truly unify as a team, you just need to support the coach that he’s made the right decision FOR NOW. I’m 100% in agreement that Fitz should start this Sunday. Anything beyond that is speculation that is driving for answers NOW. It’s cutthroat. There’s no room for redemption. You literally wanna chuck that #1 pick investment in the garbage. That’s poor business. The best businesses don’t operate like that. There’s still time for… Read more »

Horse

Again, not for 21 million. Winston has to get his stubborn agent to sign a 1 year 8 million deal guaranteed deal if he wants to still be a Buc.

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Ron Potter

Well, if it HAD TO BE DONE TODAY, then maybe so. But your comment disregard 9 more games we MUST play. God forbid Fitz get injured on Sunday and all of a sudden for some inexplicable reason Winston is throwing TDs all over the place and not throwing a single INT. Not saying that’s going to happen, but these message boards all over Buc fansites and media sites are just assuming way too much right now. Koetter’s made the right decision. Fitz is starting this Sunday. The “whose team is this” talky talk is nothing but a narrative to keep… Read more »

Ron Potter

And I think next year’s 20+ million paycheck is guaranteed unless we cut him before March something. It’s also guaranteed if he gets injured. So I assume they have motivation to keep him on the bench.

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PriMech54

Correction: that second sentence should have read “…their interception percentages fell, while Winston’s has risen.”

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fredster

Primech54 well said. I was going to comment but you said what I was thinking and honestly Bucs have worn me out this year. I’m to the point I get where it’s just hard to get excited or care anymore. Fitz had two amazing games and for some reason O line played decent then they played like shit two games for Steelers and Bears and Fitz was horrible. We can’t run ball at all. To think he will come back now with this mess of a team and be consistent is just beyond stupid to me. Love to make playoffs… Read more »

PriMech54

Fredster and Ron Potter, I agree. People don’t realize that chucking JW means entire rebuild. Cut/trade everybody. They want to win but want the route that leads most directly to an at least 5 year wait to even think about being in contention. What they really need to do is hire a President of Football Ops, and have him select a coach that can cater and design around his players strengths/weaknesses. I also would like to credit my man LakeLand on JBF with tallying up some fine numbers on JW’s passes per game to highlight how Koetter and his staff… Read more »