Bucs DE Noah Spence - Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR
Cover 3 is a weekly feature column written by PewterReport.com’s Tampa Bay Buccaneers beat writer Trevor Sikkema published every Tuesday. The column, as its name suggests, comes in three phases: a statistical observation, an in-depth film breakdown, and a “this or that” segment where the writer asks the reader to chose between two options.
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What makes a good pass rusher?
Is it genetics being a quick-twitch guy? Maybe it’s good coaching. Perhaps it’s a royal line of collegiate and professional athletes in the family. Is the main component athletic ability? Where does football IQ come in to play, or does it at all?
What do James Harrison and Terrell Suggs have in common with Michael Strahan and former Bucs legend Simeon Rice? What similarities are there between Von Miller and J.J. Watt? How could the successes of No.1 overall pick Jadeveon Clowney also been seen in undrafted free agent Cameron Wake before he slipped through the cracks?
Bucs DE Robert Ayers, Jr. – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR
Where’s the common denominator? What trait exists in every good pass rusher?
Believe it or not, there are two traits that can help identify whether or not a pass rusher has what it takes to produce in the national football league. Those two traits are: movement and mentality. Both have to be present; both, in some capacity, lie within every elite pass rusher over the last decade.
If the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are serious about upgrading their pass rushers – a process they begun with the signing of Robert Ayers and the drafting of Noah Spence last year – they’re most likely going to do so in the first round. But there are plenty of first-round pass rushers who are failures. Tampa Bay has had its share in Eric Curry and Gaines Adams. The question is: Is there something tangible within the truth of required movement and mentality that can be measured?
The answer is yes.
No matter how smart a players is or how sharp of instincts a prospect may have, if they do not meet an athletic threshold, they simply will not be able to keep up in the NFL.
Such a threshold is identified as the bottom line, the lowest score of athletic ability a player must achieve in order to be effective. Players who exceed the threshold by a greater margin obviously have a better chance of churning out consistent production at the professional level.
The best measure we have towards establishing such a threshold is a numbers-based formula for pass rushers developed by Justis Mosqueda called “Force Players”.
Movement matters, and the way the Force Players formula quantifies that is by using NFL Scouting Combine numbers. The formula (which isn’t public) uses importance percentages from different Combine drill results which altogether places EDGE rushers (meaning 4-3 defensive ends or 3-4 outside linebackers) into three different categories: Force Players (best), Mid-Tier (potential to be quality pass rushers) and Non-Force Players (players that tested limited athletically).
As Mosqueda explains, the formula isn’t perfect – even the most advanced statistical analytics have their flaws or “can’t explain” exceptions – but the “hit rate” for the formula is quite high.
Here’s a look at the Force Player results for pass rushers who have been drafted in the first round from 2005 to 2015.
So the glaring misses on the list of non-Force Players are Jadeveon Clowney, Aldon Smith and Chandler Jones. However, all three of them had either lingering or recent injuries during the time of their testing, and most likely did not test at 100 percent health in each area.
The formula seems to slightly favor 3-4 outside linebackers because they are more athletic in nature than 4-3 defensive ends. However, the Bucs won’t be drafting a pure 3-4 outside linebacker. Let’s see what some of the top 4-3 defensive end Force Players’ numbers charts looks like from a visual aspect using Mockdraftable.com Combine charts.
The three Force Players we’re going to look at are Detroit’s Ezekiel Ansah, Los Angeles’ Robert Quinn and Buffalo’s Mario Williams since those are the type of players who would translate to a player used in the Bucs’ scheme.
The spider graphs can help visualize how well a player fills out a certain area to determine some sort of commonality, but be careful, sometime the graphs are not fully filled out due to a prospect partially participating at the Combine. But the reason I chose these players is because they have participated in the areas we think matter most.
What stands out right away should be how each of these three prospects scored in at least the 50th percentile in the 10-yard split, vertical jump, broad jump, 3-cone drill and 20-yard shuffle. Fans have a tendency to get caught up in 40-yard dash times as the be-all, end-all for athletic ability. This should not be the case, and, really, the 40-yard dash is one of the least telling drills when it comes to NFL success of pass rushers.
Instead, we can break the drills up into athletic categories. Vertical and board jumps measure how much power can be generated from a player’s lower body. A 10-yard split can measure how effective a pass rusher is in using that lower body power (explosiveness) to get out of his stance and around the edge. 3-cone and 20-yard shuffles can help measure ankle flexion, and how much bend a pass rusher can have when turning the corner.
All of these athletic numbers can help measure translatable skills, aspects of pass rushing that are all necessary to get by NFL offensive lineman off the edge.
Let’s look at three high-profile non-Force Players to see if that theory lines of with where we guess Mosqueda’s formula at least begins.
The three prospects we’ll use here are Jacksonville’s Dante Fowler Jr., Miami’s Dion Jordan and Houston’s Jadeveon Clowney, whose failed Force Player numbers should be parallel with what is missing form the rest of the group.
Fowler’s graph, as a whole, is much less filled than the rest of the NFL’s averages when compared to other prospects.
What we notice from his test is that his explosiveness out of his stance from both his 10-yard split and his overall 40-yard dash were off the charts. However, that explosiveness did not translate in either the vertical or broad drills, which should have drawn a red flag. This revealed that Fowler is most likely linear in his explosiveness, meaning he has it in a very specific instance, but not overall with total athleticism. That means he wouldn’t be elite at burst or jump off the snap in every situation, but rather, limited situations.
Jordan’s chart was along the same narrative as Fowler, but he only fails at the vertical jump (his broad jump was even in the 87th percentile).
That goes to show you how important each category is. Jordan likely only failed one aspect of the formula, and due to how it affects the other variables, it failed him as Force Player entirely. This lets us know that there are no cutting corners when it comes to hitting on pass rushers in the first round.
Finally, we look at Clowney.
Clowney recorded elite explosiveness in drills that tested him getting out of his stance, and in his movements overall with high scores in the vertical and board jump. However, due to the bone spur issues that eventually sidelined him and required surgery, Clowney failed to register good numbers turning corners. This tells us that even with off-the-charts athletic ability, ankle flexion and the ability to turn corners matters. Pass rushers must be able to bend edges at almost impossible angles to become double-digit sack players.
This is the best way I’ve found to measure movement for pass rushers. Mosqueda updates his Force Player formula every year to constantly increase its hit percentage, but even now it’s pretty high. There are a handful of instances where drills at the Combine just do not matter for a position. Pass rushing really requires it all.
If a prospect has it all, there only one more characteristic that is needed for success.
There’s no way to truly measure it.
The only way of identifying the mentality of a prospect is to do your research by getting to know a player personally, and doing some background checking from people who know what a prospect is like in and out of the locker room.
Bucs DE Simeon Rice – Photo by: Getty Images
Simply put, the best pass rushers all have a least a hint of crazy in them. Whether it’s Jared Allen’s history of bar fights, Harrison flying home after a playoff game to get a work out in, Rice’s egotistical motivation to be “the man” at all times, or Watt’s insanely detailed diet and lifestyle where every second and calorie is calculated, there’s usually something about all great pass rushers that when you get to know them or learn what they’re really like, you can’t help but laugh and say to yourself, “That dude’s nuts.”
And we won’t even talk about Charles Haley and his issues.
Mentality creates a motor, and a motor determines how the athlete performs (reaching total athleticism). I believe that without a boarder line intervention type of mindset, a player can’t tap into the full potential of their ability when it comes to battles in the trenches.
This isn’t the case for all positions. For example, wide receivers and defensive backs are much more precise; they’re calculated with their athleticism. Offensive and defensive trench play is not even in the same realm. Those guys are the biggest players on the field often playing with reckless abandon to achieve their task on every snap.
One of the best defensive line prospects I’ve scouted coming out of college was Florida’s Dominique Easley. When Easley played against the Gators’ rival, Florida State, he used to tell reporters that he wanted them to feel the pain he felt in his heart for 365 days in 60 minutes. When he was healthy, the only word that came to mind to describe how intense Easley was on the field was crazy.
Whether it’s being a perfectionist, being egotistical or having an strange desire for pain and gain, if you’re drafting a pass rusher in the first round, he better be a little crazy. When channeled, crazy can turn into drive at a gear few other players have.
Trevor Sikkema is the Tampa Bay Buccaneers beat reporter and NFL Draft analyst for PewterReport.com. Sikkema, an alumnus of the University of Florida, has covered both college and professional football for much of his career. As a native of the Sunshine State, when he's not buried in social media, Sikkema can be found out and active, attempting to be the best athlete he never was. Sikkema can be reached at: email@example.com
Trevor – can you explain more specifically how the game plan would need to change to shift the focus from McCoy and the interior line to Noah Spence or another edge rusher?
I’m having a hard time understanding what our coaches would tell Gerald to do differently from what he is doing now? He clearly draws the double teams on the interior most of the time, and when his interior teammate Clinton McDonald is health and productive drawing the single teams, our entire line seems to perform well, as it did in the second half of the season. Our D-line obviously also performed better when Ayers was in the lineup, which he was not in several games in the first half of the season.
I am just not convinced by your assertion that we need to do something different in how we use McCoy when there are so many moving parts in the defense that all effect each other, with the performance of our linebackers and even safeties affecting the DTs and DEs, and the performance of the line affecting the effectiveness of our backfield defenders.
Again, what specifically would you have McCoy do differently?
Actually I would like to see them put Mccoy on the edge more. Why not, it’s not like hes huge. His speed would be very effective. I do believe they might have done this from time to time, but I say do it more often.
Naplesfan, I agree with your question to Trevor as I see no reason to do anything with McCoy. what I see is an average DE in Spence because I think he is too small. He’s okay in a rotational mode, but I don’t see him as one of our starting DE at this point in time. I also don’t see that much special about harris. He sure seems smaller than 6′ 3″. Is that height for real Trevor? Now what might help Spence and Golston would be another big power pusher at DT. A. Spence is a bit too small. Okay Scubog don’t go crazy as I know A. Spence has your favorite number 300+, but he has not much push with that weight at all. I have said this before that trading down a few spots in Round1 would open up other options, besides getting another 4th round pick. One last thing Trevor; doesn’t who you play against mean something of value too? I sure like the SEC & ACC.
Horse: I only get a chuckle when you devalue Hawley as being “too small” then follow up with your desire to promote Gottschalk who is even smaller. Regarding the NT position, I do think a little girth can be effective. Neither the relatively smallish Clinton McDonald nor the more stout Akeem Spence showed much this past season. I presume their ineffectiveness was the reason Gholston and Ayers were moved inside on third downs.
Horse I agree with you about Spence! I would like to see a longer and heavier DE such as Rice was. In this draft Taco C seems to be that type of DE. I will admit I haven’t seen every DE in this draft but saw Taco in two games, and at times looked unlockable.
Trevor, Naplesfan and Horse, I’ll not jump into the discussion yet. I am learning much from ‘Cover3’ and the discussion it engenders. Thanks all.
I am loving it!!!
McCoy can’t get double digit sacks because he is the only game in town. Get another mauler inside or out and he’ll get 10 sacks.
Surprise surprise surprise. Another call for linemen.
Hi Trevor, Do you have the combine data analysis and a mentality profile for Spence?
The third section of this piece is just….strange. Outside of designing stunts to get specific players better looks at the QB (similar to what the Niners did with Aldon Smith for the entirety of his short hey day in San Fran), or by occasionally scheming to get linemen one on one in favorable matchups due to protection shifts in response to blitz looks, I don’t really know what Trevor is talking about as far as making Spence or any other DE our “finisher” instead of McCoy being that guy.
The player who gets there first finishes the play. When Rice got here, his numbers eclipsed Sapp’s not because of a choice by Kiffin or anyone else on our side for it to be that way. It happened that way because, all things being equal, it’s easier for a DE to get to the QB on a play than it is for a DT to do it. DEs typically end up one on one with one OT, whereas great DTs like Sapp (and, yes, like McCoy) often have to deal with both the guard across from him and extra attention from the OT next to that guard, along with any help a RB might be giving with difficult chip blocks on the interior.
Sapp’s presence has to be credited for a not insignificant part of Rice’s production. When you have a destructive force on the interior, it requires so much attention from an opponent. Much of that attention takes away from resources that could be used to help slow down great DEs. I’ll be thrilled if Spence takes off and leads the team in sacks in 2017, getting into double digits and all that. But if he does so, it won’t be because the team decided it to be so. It’ll be because he just plays at a very high level, and because his teammates around him force opposing offenses to respect them as threats while he’s on the field.
Thank you, toofamiliar1 – you articulated much better than I did in my comment (question, really) at the top of this thread.
And like you, I believe that a defensive line only performs as a unit, so that when one player becomes more effective in his job, it tends to make the whole line play better, even if the headline stats like sacks or QB hits aren’t distributed evenly.
You just answered your own question.
You said, “occasionally scheming to get linemen one on one in favorable matchups due to protection shifts”. That’s what I’m talking about. We can’t say that as just a passing statement. It should be a gameplan in an of itself.
Gap alignment is very important when it comes to who gets to the quarterback the quickest. McCoy is usually the 3 or 2-tech defensive tackles, right? The point of that is to get on the shoulder of the guard to be able to get into him and past him quickly. Does this cause double teams? Yes. But where does the double team come from and what does it accomplish?
Usually, it’s schemed to come from the inside, that’s why a defense usually takes its Nose Tackle and aligns him on the opposite shoulder of the center as to not allow a double team from there since the center will be picking up the nose tackle. This gives McCoy a better chance at a one-on-one, but it doesn’t always happen.
If it doesn’t and McCoy is in fact double teammed, that’s often as far as the success goes for Tampa’s pass rush right now. They’re scheming their pass rush on the highest difficulty, because, as you noted, it is easier to create doubles on the inside man. This is the point of my question in the third section.
By making McCoy the primary pass rushing option, Tampa is giving their top interior pass rusher the best chance at a one-on-one, which makes sense, skill wise, but not efficiency wise. As you noted, all things considered, it is easier for a defensive end to make it to the quarterback, but only if it is designed as such.
If you instead flip where McCoy lines up, and instead of being lineup up on Spence’s side of the field, you line him up on the other side at the 3-tech, this allows for Spence to play even farther off the edge (which we only saw glimpses of this year), which gives him even more room since the nose tackle will now be on Spence’s side to take the guard’s attention in the A-gap. You can only do this, however, if you plan for it. If you don’t it limits how far out side Spence can line up because you can’t completely sell yourself out and not contain the pocket as well as collapse it – all of this sort of boils down to do you believe Spence can both set and disrupt the edge, hence the question.
This will then force one of two outcomes: either the nose tackle successfully takes both the guard and the center which gives McCoy and Spence both one-on-ones (though the guard to Spence’s inside will likely still be able to help if he comes on an inside move) OR… McCoy will get good penetration and he will be doubled by the center, which means the nose tackle will be driving the guard to the inside by himself, which would leave Spence one-on-one to pick his attack inside or out against a tackle with no help. That’s called getting something out of McCoy’s double teams schematically, not by chance.
At the end of the day, you are correct, the player that gets to the quarterback is the finisher. But if you trust your edge rusher to have the skill to beat a tackle, there are way to align a front four to give him that chance more often than not.
I’m not saying you take away McCoy, or even change too much of what he’s doing, but you can change where he does it. The end result is often premeditated in football. It takes effort and skill, yes, but it also take a plan. If you focus on Spence being the finisher, in theory, it would get the most out of McCoy’s double teams, since you know they’re coming anyways.
I think it is time to consider a crazy idea. McCoy has peaked. What we are seeing of him right now Is the best we are ever going to see. But he is worth a lot in a trade. Every manager would rather have a proven DL who has good character and can produce 5 to 8 sacks a year and 30 or more tackles than an unproven rookie who may not have the character that McCoy has. This is a very strong draft Defensively and I bet we could get multiple high picks for McCoy. He is never going to be Warren Sapp. He is a very good player, but we could get two of him in the upcoming draft. Maybe even three. Just a thought. Now go ahead and throw some stones at me….
The reason you don’t do that is because every draft pick is a crap shoot – the odds are slightly better in craps, actually, than with first round picks, let alone later rounds. Even if you get lucky, your keeper draftee will take years to mature and learn their trade, provided they don’t get dragged down with injury.
Why on earth would any team trade a proven, high performing asset for a turn at the craps table, particularly when there is no contract dispute or above-market salary demands being made by the known factor player you have?
My reasoning is that the bucs have a habit of keeping players too long and letting go players too soon. I think McCoy is probably worth more than anyone else on this team in a trade and I bet we could get two 1st round picks and maybe another 2nd as well. This is a very deep draft on Defense and at the skill positions on Offense with the exception of QB. We are going to lose Glennon so we are also going to need a QB. So if your counting we need DL help, Corner help, safety help, Receiver help, Running back help, Tight End help, a Center and a guard and Tackle. We need more picks. McCoy would be missed but I think we can replace him. He is very good, don’t get me wrong. But he is not Warren Sapp and he is worth more now than he ever will be and future drafts ? who knows if we will get a chance again like in this draft.
Spence has nothing in common with S. Rice and McCoy is not as good as Sapp. If you want the production that comes from our defense of old, find a DE that’s a lot better than Spence (Spence is not even a DE, he’s a pass rushing specialist that is effective in certain situations) and find a DT that is slightly better than McCoy.
I totally agree. We have to stop treating our best players like they are hall of famers. We need to see what their value is and make smart decisions. Trading McCoy would be good. Getting another DE would be good. Picking up a DT would be excellent.
On my third read of this article. Not much progress getting the gist of all these charts.
A pass rusher should be fast, strong and have a good start with good instincts.
Is that a fair assessment TS?
It was more to say that edge rusher have to have an assortment of athletic tools, both in ability ad flexibility. Without one of the three parts, they’re usually average at best.
When you watch the Combine, you can’t just say “Wow, look how fast he ran! Let’s draft him in the first round!” You have to make sure his athletic ability is translatable to every area of the field, not just a straight line, or not just in quickness, etc. Overall athleticism isn’t just important, it’s a necessity. Can’t get caught up in shiny things like 40-yard dash time and stop there.
Lots of good posts,here. Hope Spence can deliver over the next 5 years but concerned about his durability in this league playing in a 4-3. Gutsy yes but still gets an incomplete in year 1, up to him to prove otherwise. Fingers crossed
He kind of reminds me of a tweener. Not quite big enough to play a DE and not quite fast enough to play LB. But he can still be a very effective player for us. He came on at the end of the year. I want him to show more.
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