NBC Sports’ Peter King joined Mike Florio to discuss future landing spots for the former Chargers’ quarterback Phillip Rivers on Tuesday, with the conversation quickly transitioning to whether Jameis Winston is the right guy for the Bucs moving forward following a historic season in which the fifth-year quarterback passed for 5,109 yards and 33 touchdowns but also threw 30 interceptions and a record-setting seven interceptions returned for touchdowns.

“Everybody knows that Jameis Winston, when he’s hot and having a big day, can throw for 400 yards,” King said. “So can Matthew Stafford, so can Case Keenum. It’s not so hard today.”

King referenced NFL’s transition to a more pass-heavy league, arguing that passing yards and touchdowns are rising and that someone will eventually throw for 6,000 yards, but that the most important stat from Winston is the turnovers.

“The biggest thing about Jameis Winston,” King said. “You can talk about 5,100 yards but let me ask you this question. How would you like to have a quarterback who threw for 4,100 yards and threw 16 or 18 fewer interceptions. I’ll take that any day of the week. It’s about possessing the ball and moving down the field with the ball.”

King then questioned how one player can account for 5,100 yards and then also account for 30 interceptions that stopped drives and gave the ball away. Those errors, in King’s mind, make it easy when tasked with a decision of whether or not to re-sign Winston to a long-term deal.

“I don’t care if he threw for 5,900 yards and 30 interceptions,” King said. “It would not make up for the 30 interceptions. He simply makes too many errors and all I’m saying is that I’d be on the fence right now about whether I was going to pay him significantly anyway. But to pay him a lot of money and lock yourself into a guy who has made more mistakes over the last five years, by far, than any starting quarterback in football? It makes no sense.”

Watch the full segment to hear King’s thoughts below.

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sierra048

Smart man.

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BigSombrero

Saw that earlier today. It’s worth noting that King sees 3 or 4 shocking QB situations that occur, like….

Prescott no longer in Dallas.
Brady to LA or Dallas as Prescott Plan B.
Rivers in Tampa, even though his arm and turnovers are questionable.
Unforseen moves with Ben Rothlisberger and others…

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Buc76

Peter King is a goofy writer. Knows nothing about being an athlete. He’s a jock sniffer. Dork!

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Gatordoc1

Peter King can be wrong as often as a broken clock, but that is still going to leave a mark. The biggest problem is who else can we get in free agency. With Arians age, we don’t have time for him to groom a rookie before he likely retires. I agree with Big Sombrero (nice hat) that Rivers is over the hill. Brady may not want to come here, thinking we are too far away from the Super Bowl. May be Bridgewater? It’ll we be an interesting off season. Pass the popcorn. Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes… Read more »

BucRy

I’d be more than ok with moving on if there was a solid option to move on with..Brady and Rivers ain’t it, and probably wouldn’t even want to come to Tampa. They aren’t really a fit in Arians vertical offense anyways with their weaker throwing arms. Bridgewater is the only other maybe guy, but I’m not too sure how much he is looking to get paid. I’m not too sure about any of the quarterbacks coming out of college not named Burrow (feel like he’s the only “safe” qb in this draft) either. I still think the franchise tag is… Read more »

jshumaker

Stafford may be available

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FLBoy84

Like Stafford, but he’s coming off a fractured back, and back injuries can be VERY tricky.

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Mee Loopa

I’m still rooting for a Derek Carr trade, sign Winston to a Franchise tag and move him over there. Give them a 2021 4th rounder and they’ll be happy.

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sunshineben

After 5 years…why do the buc fans except a bad qb as ok and best the bucs can do ? why not expect the bucs in the playoffs and demand the bucs find, trade or steal and winning qb . As a season tkt holder i am tired of always looking up or wait till next year ,year after year .

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BigSombrero

So who would you prefer the Bucs bring in to run Leftwich’s offense?

Teddy Bridgewater for 30 million?
Dak Prescott for 40 million?
Tom Brady for God knows how much? 50 million?
Phil Rivers for 25 million?
Andy Dalton, Derek Carr, Ryan Tannehill, Nick Foles, Blaine Gabbert, Marcus Mariotta to take Tampa and their 29th ranked secondary to the SuperBowl?

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BucRy

Who is out there trading a franchise qb, please let me know.

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LIBucsFan93

Winston isn’t as Franchise QB either. Drafting at #14 is a gamble. Bringing in a Veteran like Bridgewater, Dalton or Rivers would give the Bucs a better shot at winning this year. Then drafting a QB to groom behind a veteran makes sense. Signing Winston is a huge gamble. Licht and Arians would be banking their jobs that Winston’s prevalence for turnovers is suddenly going to disappear.

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10lbbass

Peter King is a fat undulating big bag of suck.

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Dman

Pretty sure BA, the Glazers and Jason Licht aren’t paying much attention to Peter King.

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EricNV

I wouldn’t either if I were in their position.

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fredster

King is a dumbass and he has no skin in the gane either.

Big Sombrero your asking them too much for their pea brains to handle. It’s just Winston needs gone don’t care that next guy likely won’t be any better and cost fortune…..

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FLBoy84

@fredster, Understand that (you’re) evidently like many today, who immediately revert to the insult (game) instead of presenting anything factual to rebut those that have a view that’s contrary to yours. Definitely not an English major myself, but before you accuse those of us who aren’t JW apologists of having pea brains, you may want to proof-read (if you can) your posts so folks don’t think (you’re) one yourself. Totally cool with listening to a reasoned, informed rebuttal for why JW should be a Buc in 2020 that goes beyond strictly the yardage and TD’s. Besides the empty talking point… Read more »

BigSombrero

I agree Fredster, except about the pea brain part. Everyone’s solution is always so simple and an immediate fix! The rest of the NFL won’t be able to compete! 1. Draft ANY offensive lineman in that falls to you in round 1 just like the two teams that have done that the most the past 5 years- Cincy and Detroit. Great plan! 2. Replace Winston with ANY other QB. Its so easy to find a GUNSLINGER who throws high risk deep/intermediate passes who never takes sacks, never throws interceptions, and never makes any mistakes. 3. Replace C.Davis with ANY veteran… Read more »

Alldaway 2.0

King’s argument is that Rivers throwing 20 INTs is better than 30 INTs, but that assumes Rivers will also take less money.

To me it is clear that Winston will be back if the money is reasonable.

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EricNV

Rivers’ 3 previous seasons before 2019 were far better than anything Jameis would be capable of putting together.

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Mark Rodriguez

Addaway you hit the nail right on the head. Everybody is asking the wrong question. The question isn’t SHOULD the bucs bring back Winston. The question is how much should the bucs be willing to pay to bring him back. Everybody keeps asking who out there is better than Winston? The question you should be asking is would you rather bring back Winston at 30mil and let JPP and Suh walk? Or would you rather have a little less at QB and keep this D-Line in tact?

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Captain Sly

Sorry but that is not the Question!
It’s about “Ability” not about “Money” just read Peter King’s quote: “I’ll take a QB for less yards and 18 fewer Int’s any day of the week”.
If the decision to resign Winston was only about the money Jason Licht would have done it already. But the truth is fans in stands want to Win and the people I talk to are tired of being laughed at because of the Turnovers.
This decision comes down to “Ability” and nothing else.

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jshumaker

I felt the same way but all the rumors are that Ja-miss wants 30 mil+/year. That is an average of 1 mil/interception

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LIBucsFan93

Winston agent is Joel Segal. He’s already stated that Winston new contract should be in the 30-35 million range per year. If that is a factual statement, as has been reported, then Winston needs to go. He’s not worth top 5 QB money. Not even close.

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Pete

This is like scratching lottery tickets or playing Bingo. I dont know the answer but when someone say 5900 yards doesnt mater um thats stupid. Just a few less picks and missed field goals last year was the difference of making the playoffs. Must of you would agree. Lets not even talk about how the Defense started slow. Some of you seem mad lol relax this is nothing more than an opion by King So if Bucs sign Winston im still going to the games but common sense tells us if he fails his career maybe done. Truth is I… Read more »

seat26

Bucs are going to keep Winston for one more year, at least. They will look for a worthy back up and groom a young guy. They want a back up that they feel confident can step in if Winston falters.

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BUC-ASS-BOB

The sooner they cut Winston the better for the team, this Winston clown show needs to move on to Bengals as back up.
I have had enough talk about this.
I watched a video that showed the kind of leadership Payton Manning took to practice field lockerroom and game, this clown Winston has none of that they need stop using Winston name in the same article as the past greats.
Among those 30 INT’s, The clown throws 7 pick-sixes to other teams for god’s sake.

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Spitfire

Issues aside, I would actually be up for the risk of another year with Winston if for nothing else but to watch Bobby Sue cry for another year or hopefully disappear completely 😂

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chefboho

Ha. I can’t argue with your logic spitfire.

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scubog

Another quote followed by another Jameis Winston article in which the same commenters make the same remarks over and over again. The “Anybody But Winston” argument is as short-sighted as divorcing your wife and then proposing to the first woman who needs a place to stay. Andy Dalton? How many times does Bob need to declare Winston the Bengals back-up? How about some new material Bob? I’ve been though every QB dilemma the team and we fans have endured. I’m pretty sure the Bucs will have someone behind center. I’ll cheer for whoever it is and keep singing the old… Read more »

scubog

Not the Supremes! It was Dusty Springfield. I’m old and forgetful.

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FLBoy84

The Four Tops and Mary Wilson of the Supremes are coming to the Mahaffey in St. Pete in April. Probably already have your tickets though huh. 🙂

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chefboho

I just love how all these analyst and pros keep saying to move on from Winston but offer ZERO possibilities at a QB who can even run this offense. It makes no damn sense. I’d be all for moving on from Winston too but there’s no one out there whose even came up with a better solution and don’t give me the Phillip Rivers, Brady BS because it isn’t happening. There’s just no options this year in this hard to learn system that can produce like Jameis.

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Captain Sly

Here’s a Solution, Change your offense!
Because if Tua Tugaviloua is still there when we pick you don’t ask can he run this offense. Hypothetically Speaking

Let’s stop with the who else are we going to get arguments please!

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chefboho

Change your offense? You’re kidding right? When has Arians ever done that? We have TE who barely get used because of it. So there’s tour answer genius. And no, the top three qb’s won’t be available when they pick so try again.

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chefboho

Don’t get me wrong, I’d take Tia or Burrow in a heartbeat, but they won’t be there.

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Captain Sly

Here are some facts for you: 2017 Mahomes pk 10 & D Watson pk 12. How about 2018 Lamar Jackson pk 32
Yeah you’re right let’s Hurry up and sign Winston right now because Tua will be gone and there are no other QB’s. “Eyes Rolling”

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chefboho

Oh yeah, let’s pick up some one like Eason because he has “potential” eyes rolling further

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chefboho

And you can’t possibly count Lamar considering they changed their whole offensive identity to fit that QB. Has Arians EVER done that? Think about it. And those three QB’s you mentioned were all considered first round potential. So it’ll be a possibility of either Love or Eason. You want either of those two starting? Please, debate with me because that’s laughable

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FLBoy84

“There’s just no options this year in this hard to learn system that can produce like Jameis.” ANY facts or examples to back that up? Assume you’re not going to point out that besides JW’s 33/30 season, Palmer threw 24 TD’s/22INT’s and Roethlisberger threw 32TD’s/11INT’s in their first year in BA’s system. Enough with the “nobody can do it but JW” crap. These are adult men who are professional NFL QB’s who have had to learn multiple complex offensive systems during their college and pro careers. There are plenty of options out there for BA and Licht to select from… Read more »

chefboho

No Fl boy there aren’t a lot of options. And no, again people don’t just pick up an offense with over 400 plays and options Routes galore. There’s a reason why QB’s and I mean EVERY one in his first year has struggled. BA is 68, not 58. He doesn’t have three or four years for someone to develop. Not biting what you’re selling

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FLBoy84

So Ben’s 32/11 season is a struggle? Lol And def not selling anything, just stating facts and examples, unlike you. Not worrying whether you’re biting or not. 🙂

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chefboho

I’ve stated nothing but facts, maybe you just didn’t read them. It’s a FACT that most of not all QB’s struggle in his system the first year. I’m and you forgot to throw Andrew Luck and his 24 int’s in BA’s first year in the system. So yeah, one out of 5 QB’s to throw under 20 int’s aren’t bad. Plus Big Ben has a great oline and running game which the Bucs dont. There’s a bunch of facts for ya. 😊

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chefboho

One out of four QB’s. My bad.

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chefboho

Also a fact you’re overlooking on big Ben’s 32/11 season is the attempts. Ben has 402 that year. Jameis had 624. You don’t think Ben would’ve thrown a couple more with over 200 attempts?

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FLBoy84

Responded below Re: Luck and others as well. Ben might’ve, but if he maintained the same percentage you’re only talking about another 5-6 picks. Definitely not another 19. Winston threw EIGHT picks inside his own 20 yard line alone. To be fair, that particular area hasn’t been an issue for him up until this season. However, that total was more than 11 other QB’s (who started 12 or more games) threw in their entire SEASON. Who does that? And is that the type of mentality and carelessness you’re prepared to accept from the Bucs starting QB? Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb… Read more »

LIBucsFan93

and that’s why Winston needs to go. Arians isn’t going to wait around to see if Winston penchant for turnovers are suddenly going to disappear.

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surferdudes

I’m not going to get into the Jameis debate, but saying Brady, and Phillip’s arms aren’t strong enough for Arain’s offense is just bullshit. Both men have enough arm to hit Godwin, Evans in stride anytime, anywhere on the field. More accurately, and with better timing then Winston could ever hope for. Please, it would be scary to see what the GOAT could do with our receivers. Not that he’s coming here. My guess is, we draft a QB, and sign Rivers to a two year deal. Rivers and Arains will be a good fit, with a young guy in… Read more »

FLBoy84

Very well stated , couldn’t agree more. Not as sold on Rivers coming here as you, but agree either QB has more than enough ability left to excel with this receiving corp.

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Buc-in-Philly Fan

I respect your opinion but wholeheartedly disagree. If you watch Rivers’ side arm release last year it looked weak and inaccurate. They don’t let go of a QB that still has the talent your seem to think he has. Brady had his worst season EVER. He would take quite a bit of time to develop chemistry. I am not a fan of his ability to fit balls in tight windows. I am NOT a fan of 30 interceptions. It is ridiculous but I do believe he has the chemistry and working knowledge of the offense. I think one more year… Read more »

FLBoy84

@chefboho You just stated above that EVERY QB struggles in YR 1 in BA’s system, then it was MOST and now you’re misquoting facts to try and validate your argument. Luck had 18 int as a ROOKIE under BA, not 26. While 18 isn’t great, it’s a far cry from 30. Sounds good though. 😉 And while Luck and Palmer both improved in their 2nd year under BA, Ben regressed and Couch stayed just as bad as he was in year one. There’s definitely no tried and true guarantee when you’re making assumptions on how guys will perform from year… Read more »

chefboho

And I validated why big ben didn’t struggle as much. 200 pass attempts is a massive difference. And so is having a running game and a defense. These are logical arguments. No one of us is right over the other, but I do love a good debate.

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FLBoy84

Agreed. Found it odd how badly Ben regressed from year 1 to year 2 however. Couch? That wasn’t such a mystery lol

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fredster

Gotta love social media. Wow you got me a word was misspelled. Lol. Flyboy, first of all I could give a shit if a word is misspelled. I do this for fun when I have a minute or two on an iPhone and don’t have time to or care about proof reading what comes off that iPhone. If my misspelled word or two with stupid auto complete typing on an iphone bothers you so much, don’t read my posts. As far as Winston goes, what great “info and truth“ did you uncover about Winston With your “research”? I’ve talked about… Read more »

fredster

Also, let me be clear I’m not calling anyone a pea brain if you want to move on from Winston. Im open to moving on from him too if a better solution is out there and “doable”

I’m saying to the guys that just say cut him and figure it out later with no better solution ready are pea brains. If was so easy to replace him they would have done it.

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golftech

Knowing that this is a difficult offense. Well okay but if I had seen any improvement after 12 – 14 games then I would say maybe Jameis can get this. But there was no improvement. LAST PLAY OF THE YEAR showed all his progress.

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AC25

I’ve said it before we need STABILITY!! 3 Head coaches 3 Different Systems, Horrible Defense, Horrible Kicking game Suspect at best O line, Short term contract give him another year, (Doug,Steve,even Trent) I would just hate to see Jameis go win somewhere else, without really knowing! We now have hope about our D, gotta give him another shot!

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