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SR’s Fab 5 is a collection of inside scoop, analysis and insight from yours truly, PewterReport.com publisher and Bucs beat writer Scott Reynolds. Here are a few things that caught my attention this week at One Buc Place and around the NFL.

FAB 1. BUCS SHOULD PASS ON LACKLUSTER FREE AGENT WR CLASS
At first glance the 2017 free agent wide receiver class has plenty of appealing names for Tampa Bay – established veterans with 1,000-yard seasons that could step in and be the No. 2 option opposite Pro Bowler Mike Evans.

Big-bodied targets like Chicago’s Alshon Jeffery and Los Angeles’ Kenny Britt with big catch radiuses to help Jameis Winston and the ability to go up and win 50-50 balls.

Speedsters like Washington’s Desean Jackson and Kenny Stills capable of taking the top off of defenses and forcing defensive coordinators to keep both safeties back in coverage, which helps open up the running game.

Armed with $70,065,114 in salary cap room in 2017, according to OverTheCap.com, the Buccaneers have the chance to be big spenders and movers and shakers at the start of free agency in March. General manager Jason Licht favors the draft and abhors free agency due to its low success rate, but the fact is that he did quite well with free agents last year, signing cornerback Brent Grimes, defensive end Robert Ayers, Jr. and helping special teams with the addition of punter Bryan Anger and cornerback Josh Robinson.

Bucs WR Vincent Jackson - Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR

Bucs WR Vincent Jackson – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR

Among Tampa Bay’s most pressing roster needs heading into 2017 is a bona fide receiver capable of turning in a 1,000-yard season as a complement to Evans or taking over for him as a primary target if Evans gets injured. The Bucs missed Vincent Jackson when the 6-foot-5 receiver went down with a partially torn ACL during the Carolina game in Week 5.

Jackson was one of the best free agent signings in team history as he caught 268 passes for 4,326 yards (16.1 avg.) and 20 touchdowns in Tampa Bay after signing a five-year, $55,555,555 deal in 2012. Jackson was 29 years old when he became a Buccaneer and made an instant impact with 72 catches for 1,384 yards (19.2 avg.) and eight touchdowns, which was one of three straight 1,000-yard seasons before his productivity greatly diminished in 2015 due to knee injuries.

In my opinion there aren’t any Jacksons in this year’s free agent crop. I don’t see any elite Pro Bowl receivers among the supposed big names. Now that might be okay because Evans is Tampa Bay’s Pro Bowler and what the Bucs need is a very good secondary option for Winston in the passing game. But keep in mind that any of these big-name receivers will be signed for more than Evans makes, and that’s an issue.

Evans is one of a few NFL receivers to start their pro career with three 1,000-yard seasons. The 23-year old star is entering the final year of his rookie contract and is set to earn $4.65 million and the team can pick up his fifth-year option because he was a first-round pick. However, Evans, who has become one of the league’s elite receivers, likely won’t be satisfied making around $6 million when Pro Bowlers like Atlanta’s Julio Jones, Cincinnati’s A.J. Green and Arizona’s Larry Fitzgerald average over $14 million per season.

Evans can’t be expected to be happy making $4.65 million in 2017 when Mohamed Sanu, Atlanta’s No. 2 receiver opposite Jones, will be making $6 million with a $7.4 million cap charge. What needs to happen first is Licht and director of football administration Mike Greenberg working on a contract extension for Evans in February and keeping their homegrown talent happy.

After getting a new deal done for Evans, Tampa Bay can explore free agency and see what the market value is for some of these receivers and see which ones best fit Koetter’s offense – and the Bucs locker room from a chemistry standpoint. Let’s take a look at the top receivers available, but don’t hold your breath that any will be wearing red and pewter in 2017.

Miami WR Kenny Stills – 6-0, 195 – 24 (turns 25 on Apr. 22)
Stills was traded from New Orleans to Miami after just two years with the Saints. Word has it that New Orleans head coach Sean Payton didn’t like Stills’ attitude, and the drafting of speedster Brandin Cooks in the first round of the 2014 draft made Stills, a similar player, expendable despite recording a career-high 63 catches for 931 yards and three touchdowns.

The former Oklahoma receiver didn’t live up to that production during his first year in Miami, catching a career-low 27 passes for 440 yards (16.3 avg.) and three touchdowns. But going from Drew Brees to Ryan Tannehill will do that to a guy. With new head coach Adam Gase on the scene in Miami this year, Stills’ numbers improved to 42 receptions for 726 yards (17.3 avg.) with a team-high nine touchdowns, which was also a career high.

Stills is one of Gase’s favorite weapons, and the Dolphins are expected to put the full-court press to re-sign their third-leading receiver. If the Bucs are inclined to pursue Stills they could promise him the starting job opposite Evans in Tampa Bay where he would get more than the 81 targets he received last year. In Miami, Stills is behind Jarvis Landry and DeVante Parker on the depth chart.

Stills caught a 76-yard touchdown against Tampa Bay in the 2013 season finale and his 4.32 speed would be a welcomed addition to Koetter’s offense. Yet there are some big questions surrounding Stills. Does he want to leave Miami? How big is his price tag? And are his attitude issues a thing of the past, or will a big payday have a detrimental effect on the 24-year old big-play producer?

Washington WR DeSean Jackson – 5-10, 175 – 30 (turns 31 on Dec. 1)
Jackson, who is entering his 10th year in the NFL, is coming off his fifth 1,000-yard season after catching 56 passes for 1,005 yards and four touchdowns in 2016. Jackson also had two years in which he eclipsed 900 receiving yards, and has 498 catches for 8,819 yards and 46 touchdowns in his career.

Redskins WR Desean Jackson – Photo by: Getty Images

What is appealing about Jackson is his speed and ability to make explosive plays. Jackson owns a 17.7-yards per catch average over his career, and averaged 17.9 yards per reception last season. While durability can be a problem as he’s missed eight games over the past three years, Jackson did have 19 catches of 20 yards or more, which is the most of any free agent wide receiver and four more than Evans had in Tampa Bay last year. Jackson had five catches of beyond 40 yards or more, including an 80-yard touchdown against Philadelphia, which is where his NFL career began.

Jackson has hinted at returning to the Eagles, which is where he played from 2008-13, but he hasn’t ruled out returning to the Redskins, either. With Jackson turning 30 in December, he knows this will likely be his last NFL contract and will want to cash in. The Bucs need a speed receiver capable of making explosive plays in Koetter’s offense, and Jackson is still one of the league’s elite home run hitters.

The downside to signing Jackson is his tendency to have his concentration lapse, as the Washington Post recently wrote: “When he streaks past defenders to turn routine receptions into 67- and 80-yard touchdown catches, Jackson makes it easy for fans and coaches to feel he’s irreplaceable. But he’s less reliable in practice, opting out of offseason workouts and practice as it suits. He can also go through spells during games when he doesn’t appear fully engaged.”

Jackson should be the only receiver age 30 or older that Licht is thinking about, and he must think long and hard about bringing such a flamboyant personality into the Bucs’ locker room, which has great chemistry right now. The primary thing that makes Jackson special is his game-breaking speed, and at age 30, how long will he possess that and how many elite years does he have left?

Los Angeles WR Kenny Britt – 6-3, 223 – 28 (turns 29 on Sept. 19)
It took Britt eight years to get his first 1,000-yard season in the NFL, but he did it – barely. With Case Keenum and rookie Jared Goff throwing him the ball, Britt emerged as Los Angeles’ primary receiver this year, his third with the Rams organization. Britt caught 68 receptions for 1,002 yards (14.7 avg.) and five touchdowns in 2016.

Britt has 309 catches for 4,881 yards and 30 touchdowns in his career and checks a few boxes for the Buccaneers. At 6-foot-3, 223 pounds, he’s a big receiver, and he’s capable of making big plays downfield with his 4.47 speed. Britt had three catches of 40 yards or more, including a season-long 66-yard touchdown against New England.

With only one missed game in the past three seasons, Britt has proven to be quite durable, which is a plus. But how much money will a receiver who will be 29 years old coming off his lone 1,000-yard season make in free agency?

If Britt, who has the size to break tackles and get yards after the catch, wants a better quarterback situation in 2017 and wants to be second fiddle to Evans and make far less than a more accomplished No. 2 receiver like Mohamed Sanu made in Atlanta last year with a five-year, $32.5-million deal ($6.5 million avg.), then the Bucs might be interested.

But at the end of the day, it’s more likely that the Bucs will invest in a rookie and decide to pay Evans handsomely and consider that money better spent than on Britt.

Chicago WR Alshon Jeffery – 6-3, 218 – 26 (turns 27 on Feb. 14)
Jeffery is the most physically talented wide receiver slated for free agency. After failing to come to terms with Chicago on a long-term deal, Jeffery played with the franchise tag last year and made $14.6 million. So what did the Bears get for their money in 2016? Jeffery played in just 12 games due to a PED (performance-enhancing drug) suspension, but was having a disappointing season before his suspension in mid-November. He wound up catching just 52 passes for 821 yards and two touchdowns. Jeffery’s 52 receptions were the second-lowest of his career, while his two TDs was a new career-low.

Bears WR Alshon Jeffery – Photo by: Mark Lomoglio/PR

That’s not how a player wants to play in a contract year, and if it were just one season it might raise some flags, but Jeffery missed seven games due to injury in 2015 and caught just 54 passes for 807 yards and four touchdowns. He did have a breakout season in his second year in the league in 2013, catching 89 passes for 1,421 yards and seven touchdowns. That was followed up by an 85-yard reception campaign in which he posted 1,133 yards and 10 scores in 2014.

Jeffery’s best two years came playing opposite Brandon Marshall in Chicago as the big receivers wrecked havoc on opposing secondaries from 2013-14. But when Marshall was set to become a free agent the Bears knew they couldn’t afford to keep both receivers and traded Marshall, who was older, to the New York Jets and attempted to work on a long-term deal with Jeffery, a former second-round pick.

The problem with Jeffery is that his production says he’s a No. 2 receiver, but yet he wants to be paid No. 1 receiver money. The Bucs have been down that road before with the likes of Alvin Harper and Bert Emanuel in the past. The difference is that Tampa Bay already has a No. 1 receiver in Evans, but the team simply can’t afford to pay Evans and Jeffery each an average of $15 million per year.

And does Tampa Bay even want a player that has missed 11 games over the past two years – during two contract years – due to injury and suspension? Remember Dirk Koetter’s popular phase: “the best ability is availability.”

Tennessee WR Kendall Wright – 5-10, 191 – 27 (turns 28 on Nov. 12)
Wright, who was the Titans’ first-round pick in 2012, has never lived up to the hype, and has only produced one 1,000-yard season. That came in his second year in 2013 when he caught a career-high 94 passes for 1,079 yards and two touchdowns. But even during that season, the Titans expected more than an 11.5-yard average from a player who has 4.42 speed.

Wright did have a career-high six touchdowns in 2014 while catching 57 passes for 715 yards, but he struggled over the past two years with his numbers falling to 36 receptions for 408 yards and three touchdowns in 2016. After the Titans picked up his fifth-year option, Wright had his worst NFL season with 29 catches for 416 yards and three scores.

Wright has 280 career catches for 3,244 yards and 18 touchdowns, but hasn’t played like a first-rounder. At 5-foot-10, 191 pounds, Wright lacks ideal size to be a starting wide receiver. And without blazing speed and quickness, Wright struggles to get open at times. The Titans don’t seem thrilled about re-signing the Baylor product, who was their fourth-leading receiver.

With Licht being close friends with Tennessee general manager and executive vice president Jon Robinson, don’t expect the Bucs to pursue Wright if the Titans don’t want to sign him to a contract extension. That would speak volumes.

Cleveland WR Terrelle Pryor – 6-4, 223 – 27 (turns 28 on June 20)
Pryor is an interesting player. After entering the league as a former Ohio Stae quarterback with Oakland in 2012 – and failing – he came to Oakland in 2015 as a backup and made the transition this offseason to wide receiver. Of his 79 career catches for 1,071 yards and four touchdowns, 77 of those came this year for 1,007 yards, in addition to his four scores.

Pryor notably upset NFL cornerbacks Janoris Jenkins and Adam “Pacman” Jones, who called him out publicly after defeating the Browns earlier this season and saying he wasn’t that good. Pryor did have six catches for 131 yards against Jenkins in a 27-13 loss to the New York Giants, but totaled just three catches for 21 yards in two losses to Cincinnati.

Keep in mind that Pryor’s stats aren’t that great, especially considering the fact that the Browns lost 10 games by double-digits in 2016 and that a good deal of his receptions and receiving yards were stockpiled in garbage time when Cleveland was trying to play catch-up.

At 6-foot-4, 223 pounds, Pryor has ideal size to start opposite Evans, and with 4.42 speed he can make plays downfield, evidenced by four catches over 40 yards in 2016. But while no one can question Pryor’s work ethic in making the difficult transition to receiver at the NFL level, his personality does rub people the wrong way and he may not be a good locker room fit.

The bigger question will be if Cleveland actually attempts to re-sign their leading receiver. Pryor, who is represented by Drew Rosenhaus, is open to staying with the Browns, but wants a big payday. In my opinion, it’s too risky for Licht to ask the Glazers to open up the Bucs’ checkbook for a player who has one year’s worth of playing experience at the receiver position and may not be a great locker room fit.

Cardinals head coach Bruce Arians and GM Steve Keim – Photo by: Getty Images

There are some other names out there in free agency, too. New England wide receiver Michael Floyd was the No. 2 target opposite Fitzgerald in Arizona, but was cut due to character issues and was arrested in December for a DUI that prompted his release. Licht knows Cardinals head coach Bruce Arians and general manager Steve Keim well having worked in Arizona and he helped draft Floyd.

If Arians and Keim cut Floyd, who was claimed by New England, that’s a clear sign for Licht and the Bucs to stay away unless it’s for a cheap, one-year, prove-it deal. Floyd, a former first rounder, is in the final year of his rookie contract that is paying him over $3 million this season.

Four other household names are all age 30 or older. Cincinnati’s Brandon LaFell, 30, signed a one-year deal worth $2.5 million and is making the most of that opportunity with 64 catches for 862 yards and six touchdowns. If he were to think about taking a similar deal to play in Tampa Bay, I think Licht would be interested. But there’s too much risk at shelling out $6 million per season on an average player like LaFell, who has bounced around the league.

Carolina’s Ted Ginn, Jr. is 31 and has produced 752 yards and four touchdowns this season and saw his numbers dip in 2016, which could be an indication that he’s losing the speed that once made him special. His receiving average dropped from 16.8 in 2015 to 13.9 this year, while his touchdowns fell from 10 a year ago to just three this past season.

In Washington, 31-year old Pierre Garcon topped 1,000 yards and had 79 catches and three touchdowns, but was making over $8 million as Washington’s leading receiver in 2016. Do you think he’ll take a pay cut? Me neither.

Anquan Boldin is 36 and produced eight touchdowns this year in Detroit, but his 8.7-yards per catch average was the lowest of his career. Father Time has caught up to Boldin and he simply can’t run any more.

So what’s the conclusion? Some of these players in this lackluster free agent class would actually look great in Tampa Bay – in Madden 2017. The reality is that a lot of these No. 2 receivers will end up getting paid the No. 1 receiver money that Evans deserves to be paid. The Bucs simply can’t afford to strangle their own salary cap for years with that much money at one position.

Bucs WRs Mike Evans & Russell Shepard – Photo by: Getty Images

Between Jones and Sanu, Atlanta will have $22.3 million worth of salary cap space tied up in their top two receivers next year and that dollar figure will only go up as those contracts progress.

The best move for the Bucs is to ink Evans to a long-term extension now before he hits the free agent market along with Odell Beckham, Jr. and Brandin Cooks as a bidding war could only make keeping Evans more expensive. Then the Bucs should re-sign special teams captain and contributing receiver Russell Shepard, who improved as a pass catcher in 2016 and would make an ideal fifth receiver.

Then Tampa Bay should then select two receivers in the upcoming draft – one like Western Michigan’s Corey Davis, who was featured in PewterReport.com’s initial 2017 Bucs’ 7-Round Mock Draft, who is capable of being a starter and the No. 2 man on the depth chart, and another receiver, such as West Virginia’s Shelton Gibson or Texas A&M’s Josh Reynolds, who is capable of challenging Adam Humphries for the third spot on the depth chart. The loser of that dual winds up as the Bucs’ fourth receiver.

The 2016 draft is deep with talented wideouts and those players will come much cheaper – and have higher ceilings – than any of the available free agent receivers. Licht needs to trust director of college scouting Mike Biehl to find two good receivers and trust coaching ace Todd Monken to get them ready to play as rookies.

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About the Author: Scott Reynolds

Scott Reynolds is in his 25th year of covering the Tampa Bay Buccaneers as the vice president, publisher and senior Bucs beat writer for PewterReport.com. Author of the popular SR's Fab 5 column on Fridays, Reynolds oversees web development and forges marketing partnerships for PewterReport.com in addition to his editorial duties. A graduate of Kansas State University in 1995, Reynolds spent six years giving back to the community as the defensive line coach for his sons' Pop Warner team, the South Pasco Predators. Reynolds can be reached at: sr@pewterreport.com
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jme0151
4 years ago

Pass on him. Way to many good backs in this draft.

jshumaker
4 years ago

No doubt Evans has to receive a contract extension and it would be an insult to him to bring in another high priced WR. Since you are saying that this is a deep WR draft, there does not seem to be any reason to bring in a free agent WR. Therefore where do you think the Bucs should spend some of their excessive cap space in free agency?

Rob
Rob
Reply to  jshumaker
4 years ago

The end of the article stated exactly that……don’t bring in another big FA WR, ink Evans and Shepard then draft two WRs. He was just giving us (great) analysis on the available FA WR’s and then ended with him saying none are worth it. Rookie WR’s often struggle….we cannot go into 2017 without someone who defenses aren’t afraid of at WR2. I hope we don’t sign one of the big expensive ones, but find one that’s got experience and is reliable to be there while Evans is double/triple covered. Draft one (or two) and let them develop throughout the season.… Read more »

chetthevette
4 years ago

Fab 5 Friday, awesome. #1 All of the mentioned receivers should be avoided like the plague. I know a few BUC fans have trotted out Pryor as an option, but I can’t see it. Jeffries has just too much baggage and the rest just don’t excite me. Some pundits seem to think Cordarrelle Patterson might be a good fit for us. Now that’s an interesting option. Shouldn’t cost too much and he has got a pretty good skill set. I still have my man crush on Mike Williams. The kid showed me heart last Monday. Will he be there at… Read more »

Kaks
Reply to  chetthevette
4 years ago

It was July, summer…no classes…Mixon doesn’t drink or do drugs. Molitor, on the other hand, has a long list of run in’s with the law including intent to sell narcotics among other issues. Her friends were afraid to talk to the police because what they witnessed from her that night was no pretty and they didn’t want her to feel like they were turning on her…which they did by way of telling the truth about their “troubled” friend. Should he have hit her? No, but I raised my daughter to keep her hands to herself and have respect for others.… Read more »

chetthevette
Reply to  Kim
4 years ago

Now you can see why I’m not paid to solve crimes. Of course there isn’t school in July. Good point. If Mixon was sober that is more of a red flag to me than if he was intoxicated. Is this his judgement when he is sober and in full control of himself? The “lady” in question if what you said is true, and I believe it, definitely pushed harder than she should have. Maybe next time she think a bit before she acts. And if saw a video of another woman punching her out this discussion isn’t happening. I put… Read more »

Jameis
4 years ago

Girl pushes guy. Girl slaps guy. Guy retaliates. Story is about how terrible the guy is.

Guy pushes girl. Guy slaps girl. Girl retaliates. Story is about how the guy harrassed the girl.

I’m not saying what he did was right, but he was definitely being egged on there and Licht will have to do some real background research on him as a person.

chetthevette
Reply to  Jameis
4 years ago

You are right. There is always 2 sides to any confrontation. The whole story reeks like week old mullet. But still, you can’t smack girls around. That my friend is the difference between being a man and a boy.
I’m pretty sure if he just argued with her this isn’t happening to him.
GO BUCS

Kaks
Reply to  chetthevette
4 years ago

He tried to walk away and she was having no part of that. Be careful what you wish for ladies…if you’re looking for trouble, you’ll find it if you try…which is exactly what this Non Victim did! She was asking for trouble.

Naplesfan
Reply to  Kim
4 years ago

There’s no “trying” in walking away, just do it. The law requires it. There is no justification ever for a man belting a woman. The woman can ask for all the trouble in the world, and the simple answer is just walk away. It’s really easy, unless you don’t want to.

chetthevette
Reply to  Naplesfan
4 years ago

Damn straight Naplesfan.

Naplesfan
4 years ago

Agreed on forgetting the WRs in FA … I think it’s been pretty evident for years now that WRs tend to be the most productive rookies, able to put together excellent seasons while learning the nuances of the NFL game. Mike Evans is surely evidence enough, but looking at his draft contemporaries and those in the next coupla drafts, as long as they remain healthy they become immediately productive. Draft a speed WR in the first or second round this year, in a year with abundant choices in the draft, and we’ll be fine. Pay Evans, and save some room… Read more »

Bucs Capacitor
4 years ago

If we believe in second chances, the Doug Martin should be first on that list. If it requires forgiveness to draft Mixon…why would we not be doing the same and just keeping Martin instead? Doesn’t make sense to draft a guy who hit a girl over a guy who has/had a drug problem if both of them swear they learned from their mistake.

Bucs Capacitor
Reply to  Bucs Capacitor
4 years ago

*then

Jameis
Reply to  Bucs Capacitor
4 years ago

Capacitor, I see your point but there is one big difference – Mixon will likely be a late round pick with a cheap rookie contract. Martin is making 7m+.

Naplesfan
Reply to  Jameis
4 years ago

Good chance that Martin won’t be making $7M this year. Bucs can void his second year guarantee and offer him less of a base pay but incentives to make it up if he performs.

I also don’t see any equivalency whatsoever between Martin, who did nothing wrong,he was simply injured and not very productive last season, and a guy who busts women in the jaw. No equivalency whatsoever.

scubog
Reply to  Naplesfan
4 years ago

“Martin, who did nothing wrong”. Did you somehow miss the suspension for drug use?

Naplesfan
Reply to  scubog
4 years ago

Martin violated an NFL rule …. that is not anywhere on the same plane as committing a felony assault on a weaker person.

I didn’t say Martin is a 100% rule compliant person. Every player, every person on earth commits rules violations of something somewhere probably every day of their lives. Rules are necessary, and should be obeyed, but hey, every human being ever born on this planet is a rules violator.

Not every person born on this planet is a woman beater, like Mixon.

scubog
Reply to  Naplesfan
4 years ago

You used the phrase “nothing wrong” and what you meant was less wrong. I’ll agree, the drug use is probably a more acceptable rules violation in today’s society. However, Mixon’s violation was a single incident when he was still a teenager, as far as I know, and not a pattern of behavior as appears to be the case with Doug Martin and as is the case with those who can’t stop the abuse of their favorite potion. If that’s not the case and he is a repeat offender of striking women, then that’s a deal breaker for me too.

Naplesfan
Reply to  Bucs Capacitor
4 years ago

How can you possible equate a woman-beater with a running back who got injured and wasn’t very productive? Hint: one of these is a bad guy who may or may not be forgiven by the world, and the other one of these is an unlucky guy who needs no forgiveness at all.

Kaks
Reply to  Naplesfan
4 years ago

No your facts, Mixon has NEVER had ANY history of hitting women, so calling him a woman-beater is excessive. You are implying that this is how he handles any problem with a female and you are incorrect.

Naplesfan
Reply to  Kim
4 years ago

I have no different facts than the facts. Mixon cold-cocked a female. It’s on video. Deal with it, whoever the hell you are.

chetthevette
Reply to  Kim
4 years ago

I just saw a video of him beating a woman.
Hence he is a woman beater.
Not excessive to call him that. How many times do you have to beat a woman to be labeled a woman beater?
Is this guy a friend of yours or what?

Bucs Capacitor
Reply to  Naplesfan
4 years ago

I’ll say what I said to chetthevette:

No one compared Martin to Mixon…you’re looking for outrage. I’m simply saying that both did something that require forgiveness. Martin failed his team by selfishly abusing a banned substance. Mixon hit a girl. Not saying they’re equal. Just saying they both would require forgiveness (as Scott himself said). My point is, why would we go down the road of forgiving Mixon, who did something way worse, when all we have to do is forgive Martin, who is already on our team and is already a proven NFL RB.

chetthevette
Reply to  Bucs Capacitor
4 years ago

Comparing Martin’s situation to Mixon’s is so far fetched that I’m not believing you did it. I was nice and did not say what I really thought if Mixon. He’s a punk. Pure and simple. I’ve always thought that men who strike women as repugnant assholes.
GO BUCS

Bucs Capacitor
Reply to  chetthevette
4 years ago

No one compared Martin to Mixon…you’re looking for outrage. We’re actually saying the same thing.

I’m simply saying that both did something that require forgiveness. Martin failed his team by selfishly abusing a banned substance. Mixon hit a girl. Not saying they’re equal. Just saying they both would require forgiveness (as Scott himself said). My point is, why would we go down the road of forgiving Mixon, who did something way worse, when all we have to do is forgive Martin, who is already on our team and is already a proven NFL RB.

chetthevette
Reply to  Bucs Capacitor
4 years ago

Point taken Capacitor. I’m not looking for outrage though. Outrage does not require a search in todays troubled world. I wonder how many female BUCS fans would be willing to turn the other cheek and say “hey lets draft that guy that beat the shit out of that girl in Oklahoma”. Forgiveness comes in all shapes and forms. I truly hope Mixon has seen the light and changed his ways. As far as Martin goes, my attitude is not outrage or any other state of mind where forgiveness is required. Befuddlement, that’s how I feel about Doug Martin. How many… Read more »

SaskBucs
4 years ago

I admit I have been one of the guys saying get a FA WR and draft one in the 3rd or 4th. I can get on board with the majority and see that as a bad idea, however, I think we are over valuing some of these players in FA money wise. I will be shocked if a couple of them get the money you think they might Scott. Of the teams who will be WR needy, Tampa Bay has to be at or near the top of every FA WR’s list so some patience could really pay off if… Read more »

Dude
4 years ago

I think the Bucs should look to the draft for their future WR talent. But if I was Licht, I might take a look at Ted Ginn Jr. and see what he has left in the tank. I think the drop off in his production this past season was mainly due to the drop off in Cam’s production. From what I see of Ginn Jr., he still has that joey Galloway speed. Also, I would also be interested in taking a look at Michael Floyd. I have to disagree about counting out Floyd because Arians cut him. Just because Arians… Read more »

Hank Scorpio
4 years ago

1. I’m pretty indifferent on all of the FA WRs. If we sign one, that’s fine, if not, that’s fine too. Stills and Britt would be my top 2 FA targets though. There’s only 2 WRs worth taking in the 1st rd at this point, and that’s Mike Williams and Corey Davis. If those guys are gone when it gets to our pick, then hopefully we wait a round or two before taking a receiver, because anyone else would be a huge reach. 2. Mixon is a take. He made a huge mistake as an 18 yr old, has gained… Read more »

Dude
4 years ago

For those who have not seen it, here is the Mixon punch video:

http://newsok.com/article/5531208

Dude
Reply to  Dude
4 years ago

Sorry for reposting the video in the blog, I guess I wasn’t paying attention when reading the article. I’m just now going back and watching the videos. I look at the Mixon situation like this. I am a forgiving person, and I am all about second chances. But forgiveness isn’t the only thing there is. Even though someone gets forgiven they still have to face the consequences of their actions, whatever that may be. If the Bucs feel that he is worth the draft spot, then I trust them if they choose to draft him. But if they pass on… Read more »

Naplesfan
Reply to  Dude
4 years ago

Agreed … in my mind, giving Mixon a second chance is drafting him in the 7th, or signing him as a UDFA with no guaranteed money, and ax him the second he misbehaves.

Drafting this bully in the first round is rewarding him in spite of his very bad behavior. Doing that tells him and others (and fans and kids), that it’s OK to beat up women as long as you know how to perform on the field.

Kaks
Reply to  Naplesfan
4 years ago

Must be nice to pass judgement about an individual that you know NOTHING about! He doesn’t “beat up women”. Lets try not to judge his character on ONE episode, where he tried to walk away from a very drunk, sloppy “girl” who had been coming at him for a good part of that evening.

Naplesfan
Reply to  Kim
4 years ago

I can watch a video, and yes, I can pass judgment that Mixon belted a female which is a moral crime, and if prosecuted it would put him in jail. I don’t need to know a goddamned thing about his history, his predilections, how nice he is to puppies and children … he is a woman beater. It matters not in the slightest what the woman was doing. Under the law, a man has to walk away and if he so desires, he can file a lawsuit or a criminal charge against her. That happens to be the law on… Read more »

Dude
Reply to  Kim
4 years ago

Nobody is Judging Mixon’s character here. But what we can judge, because we have video evidence, is his action. To forgive someone means we accepted the apology they have given and we do not bring their action back up against them in the future. But there is consequences for every action we take that stands apart from forgiveness. Whatever those consequences are, that person will face them. No one escapes the consequences of their actions. This is not an assault on his character, it is a fact of life. Our character defines us by what we do when nobody is… Read more »

drdneast
4 years ago

I know this isn’t going to make me popular (big surprise) but after seeing tte Joe Mixon video, someone has to state the obvious without fear of being castrated by FemiNazis. Where does it say a man has to let a grown woman first push and then strike him with her fist in his face without naturally retaliating which is exactly what happens in the video. Now before everyone gets their torches and pitchforks out, I am not supporting or condoing anyone to cold cock a woman. The prudent thing for Mixon to have done would have been to call… Read more »

Naplesfan
Reply to  drdneast
4 years ago

Really? You need an explanation?

chetthevette
Reply to  drdneast
4 years ago

Dear drd,
Is there some thing written down where a man doesn’t cold cock a woman. That’s the law man. Every domestic violence call responded by police is rewarded with an arrest. And guess who gets thrown in the clink. The Man. not every time, but most.
18 years old or not, suck it up, take few girly slaps and move on. I think some 250 lb linebacker trying to take his head off in a game is much more daunting.
Now I agree with most of your posts, but this is way out there man.
GO BUCS

Naplesfan
Reply to  chetthevette
4 years ago

I suppose if you had a situation where a female MMA champion cold cocked a guy, or one of those movie hero gals who manages to kick the asses of dozens or hundreds of hapless drones because of the magic of computer generated graphics, perhaps the woman might get arrested, charged, and convicted. Ir perhaps there may be some guys who are just incapable of going toe to toe with a female, and thus deserve some sort of protection. A judge and jury can sort out those outlier cases whenever they arise. But for most real world men and women,… Read more »

Kaks
Reply to  Naplesfan
4 years ago

Girls can’t be abusive, and bank on the fact that a man won’t or shouldn’t hit her. Keep your hands to yourself. If you want to be treated like a lady, then act like one.

Naplesfan
Reply to  Kim
4 years ago

That is not the law on the books, nor the moral law of western culture. Abusive women exist – a male capable of physically overpowering an abusive woman is obliged under the law to walk away. It’s really easy, unless you’re an abusive a-hole yourself and/or you are unable of controlling your feelings like a man.

mark2001
4 years ago

I get it…but believe we need one FA unless we are sure there will be a large group of very good ones next year, just in case we can’t extend or keep Evans. Sign one, draft one, and we should be in good shape. And if Evans moves on, we still have a group of serviceable receivers.

LordJim
4 years ago

Not terribly impressed by Mixon. I am, however, impressed by Gibson. If he can get off blocks he looks like an excellent addition to the squad. My only concern is that he’s about two feet too short for Jameis.

76Buc
4 years ago

PC rears its ugly head again. I might be the wrong guy to remark on the Mixon situation because I was a victum of domestic violence on more than one occasion (my bad for staying but love is strange) and once was hospitalized and in ER for 8 hours. I tried to slow down the video, but was unsuccessful. It looks to me like he started to walk away and she went after him and pushed him. Then she went for his throat and tried to choke him. That when he repsponded with the right hook. I think she should… Read more »

Buc 1976
4 years ago

As for drafting Mixon 5-7 round and a VERY SHORT LEASH!!

Buc 1976
Reply to  Buc 1976
4 years ago

At some point a woman crosses a line from Lady to Bully!
I unfortunately know because I was in a relationship with one! I NEVER hit her because I was taught not to at a young age and I was much older than Mixon.
What he did was WRONG and hopefully he learned a VALUABLE LESSON.

76Buc
4 years ago

Regarding Jacksonville, I agree with Dilfer. It is an awful place to live. I know because , although a Tampa native I worked there for three years before my work took me to Honolulu 28 years ago. That’s agreat city. When I was transfered there from Tampa I was burglarized 2 times in 3 months! People I knew were murdered! Race relations were so bad you could feel as soon as you left St. Agustine and headed North. I’ve never seen so many rednecks in my life. A while back I was on the mainland for a visit and driving… Read more »

chetthevette
Reply to  76Buc
4 years ago

I don’t consider Jax as a city in Florida. I call it south Georgia. But that is doing Georgia a disservice.
Jacksonville has always sucked.
As far as Dilfer calling Bortles terrible, he got stones that’s for sure. I had to start a QB and my choices were Dilfer and Bortles,
I’d kick Dilfer to the curb.
GO BUCS

stlbucsfan
4 years ago

The Bucs should absolutely make acquiring a free agent WR a priority with the preference being Desean Jackson. We acquired Vincent Jackson via free agency so everyone that thinks there’s no way you can make a smart move in free agency must have forgotten that. Desean has an edgy personality but I dont recall this ever being an issue prior to Chip Kelly making his ill advised comments about this supposed gang affiliation that was unfounded and more racist than actual revelation. Take him because of his long speed which reminds me of Joey Galloway, another free agent WR, that… Read more »

scubog
Reply to  stlbucsfan
4 years ago

Good point stlbucsfan. We too often forget about the draft choices that fail to stick like the names you mentioned. Last season folks here were gushing over Danny “Superback” Vitale, who was unimpressive in Training Camp and is now a Cleveland Brown. When fans bemoan the Roberto Aguayo selection there was no guarantee that the alternative would have been any better. Teams often are willing to take chances on players with injuries and incidents in their background that make them a risk. As Bruce Ariens says, “No risk it, no biscuit”. A single incident of losing one’s cool when being… Read more »

Naplesfan
Reply to  scubog
4 years ago

Men don’t hit women, period, unless they are abusers. The law doesn’t say, “well, you didn’t really mean it, dude, so it’s ok to cold cock a female”. A judge may take into account any prior history in determining a fair sentence … a history of serial assault demands a stiffer sentence than no priors. But an offense is an offense. As a practical matter, criminal history and social science says that most physical abusers are in fact serial physical abusers … they may only have been caught on tape once, or did the deed with eyewitnesses around only once,… Read more »

cgmaster27
Reply to  Naplesfan
4 years ago

Well Naples, you make some valid points, but then I guess you would’ve never drafted Jameis then? You’re making a lot of assumptions about a person you have never met for a second in your entire life. I’m not here to debate about what he did, right or wrong, that opinion will be different for everyone and the situation is different in every occasion. However , as I’m sure you’ve never done anything wrong, your stats and social sciences should tell you there are also things called outliers, and that means any situation could be vastly different. So you should… Read more »

surferdudes
4 years ago

Do all you people think women are so weak, and helpless that they could not possibly inflect harm while attacking someone? Have you watched some of these MMA chicks? Woman are cops, firemen, solders, so if one is looking to start a fight with a man, don’t hide behind the woman card, better be ready to deal. Mixon should be commended for viewing her as an equal combatant. So yeah, I’d draft him.

macabee
4 years ago

RE Mixon, seems like we went through this a couple of years back. How has that worked out? My philosophy remains the same. If the federal and state agencies say you have all rights of citizenship and you are free to participate in society, the NFL accepts your application for the draft and assigns you a draft grade, and you can really play, you should be allowed to play. What the young man did was unacceptable, even inexcusable, but certainly forgivable. The Bucs, like all NFL teams have methods and procedures for vetting players before the draft. If it is… Read more »

Naplesfan
Reply to  macabee
4 years ago

Macabee – nobody here is arguing over what Mixon is “allowed” to do or not do. The league decides that.

The question is, do we want Mixon on our team?

It seems to be that a majority of the commenters here so far are a firm “no”, but others disagree. I don’t want him on the team I support.

macabee
Reply to  Naplesfan
4 years ago

Nobody here is arguing period! I read your post and you have every right to your opinion. But you know that’s not how it works or Jameis Winston would not be our QB. Tony Dungy and our own coach Koetter disagreed with the pick as they had a right. They simply weren’t the decision makers. The Bucs have vetting procedures and I’m pretty sure Licht and the Glazers take the info and research seriously. But don’t enamor yourself. The Bucs are not going to ask your and my opinion or canvass PR posters to see if they agree or not.… Read more »

scubog
Reply to  macabee
4 years ago

macabee: Your opinions are always sound, well though out, deal with facts more than perception, are without bias and without ego. Same can’t be said of everyone herein. You might not believe this, but some actually believe their opinions ARE facts.

Naplesfan
Reply to  scubog
4 years ago

You mean, apparently, that the video of Mixon cold-cocking a female is an opinion, and not a fact?

You don’t get any more open and shut factual than that – Mixon did what he did. It’s on the video, dammit.

The opinion part is not wanting someone like that representing the Bucs. An opinion I have, but others can have different opinions on that.

But you and others here (not Macabee) seem entirely confused on the difference between fact and opinion.

Naplesfan
Reply to  macabee
4 years ago

“Nobody is arguing here, period!”

I really like your exclamation point there , Macabee … its use says you really emotionally argue that there is no arguing here. Uhhhh, your use of an exclamation point gives you away, dude.

Well, read a few of the comments here by Kaks and if that is not “argument” then what is?

At least you get that the facts are not in dispute, but others (including apparently scubog) seem unable to tell fact from opinion.

Horse
Reply to  Naplesfan
4 years ago

I wouldn’t take it personally unless Scubog calls you out by name, then you can defend your words. I’ve learned over the years it is just his style and he means no harm in his wording. Most times I do agree with Scubog.

scubog
Reply to  Naplesfan
4 years ago

Naples: I was complementing macabee. But, as Carley Simon would sing, “you probably think this song is about you”. As my friend Horse noted, I never mentioned you Naples, Your narcissism is so rampant I suspect you think everything is about you. In this case, it is a fact that Mixon hit a girl and in anyone’s book of life that’s wrong. It’s opinion when someone makes judgement of a teenager’s single incident and marks him for life when they know nothing about him. . Now if he had sexually abused a child he should be branded forever. Those folks… Read more »

chetthevette
Reply to  macabee
4 years ago

Hey Mac
If I saw a video of Winston sexually assaulting a women I think that he would not be welcome on our team.
Big difference between these 2 guys.

MudManVA
4 years ago

Nice fab 5 Scott to get the base frothing! I believe we need to sign a veteran WR going into 2017. The money and the player needs to be right but we have “no” WR other than Evans (Humphries is exclusively a slot). Rookies will not be ready hot off the draft, and if the BUCS are going to push for the playoffs in 2017 they need to start with vet next to Mike. Yes, draft 2 WR Mac is absolutely correct. Winstons sexual assault & other college issues were questionable. Spence, gracious. We have to trust that Licht will… Read more »

MudManVA
4 years ago

PS- if Winston is going to take the next step as a QB he needs more help. Rookies late in rd 1 & 2 aren’t likely to be impact players game 1.

drdneast
4 years ago

That’s why I depise u so much macabee. You are to level headed and make way to much sense.
You make the rest of us look and sound like the huge lumbering dinosaurs that we are.

scubog
Reply to  drdneast
4 years ago

He is the voice of reason Dr.D.

BUC 727
4 years ago

How long does a young man have to pay for one mistake? I haven’t heard of any incidents since. He served his probation and lost a year of football. I feel that he’s done his time.
On the football side with that year off, plus the fact that he split time with Perrine, means he has lots of tread left. I definitely think he would be worth a 4th round pick if available.

Horse
4 years ago

Looks to me like there are plenty of RB’s, WR’s to draft later in the draft. I would go for DL, OL , CB, TE in rounds 1,2,3,4. As to present available Free Agents; I would hold my fire and see who will blink and settle for much less in the WR arena and still draft one in the later rounds. I wouldn’t be so fast to forget VJ if he is healthy and willing to be reasonable about playing one more year. Also thing Doug will be ready to prove he is still a good RB. Bucs don’t have… Read more »

martinii
4 years ago

Great SR5 and as always logical non aggressive comments. I don’t have much to add, most views have been covered above. Mixon has a right to change and if he can (like Jameis) mature into a productive asset and amicable teammate then I have no problem drafting him. I agree Free agency seems to get less reliable each year. It seems like you get 1 gem for every 3 busts. I haven’t Lost interest in Martin or VJax. Especially Jackson who is a model citizen and a team leader. I would not pay him a fortune but I certainly would… Read more »

macabee
4 years ago

NaplesFan, I am not attacking your opinion. What you think is as valid as any opinion offered. What I’m saying is that of the many opinions offered, some will differ from yours and mine. I will vigorously attack facts that I know to be untrue. You see facts are stubborn things. But i hesitate to question an opinion because in time they may become fact. Let me offer another observation about the Bucs, not fact, just observation. You know that the Bucs chose Vincent Jackson after a number of DWI infractions in San Diego – been a model citizen since.… Read more »

Horse
Reply to  macabee
4 years ago

Macabee, thank you once again for the information. Looks to me like the Bucs are going to bring some competition to compete with Bond for LB Smith position? What’s your thoughts on this?

macabee
Reply to  Horse
4 years ago

Horse,

I don’t know enough yet to say anything about the value of the Bucs latest additions. My intuition is the same as yours. I think they want competition at every position – kicker too! lol.

MWD
MWD
4 years ago

A lot of wasted comments regarding off field issues with Mixon here. I mentioned this on another tread and one comment alluded to the fact that they had a man crush on Mike Williams, if he is there, that’s who I see as a potential great asset to our passing game, guy goes after the ball and makes great adjustments and great catches. He’s also got good size and speed. My second option would be to go grab that beast of a lineman from Bama (Cam Robinson) which is a win/win for our pass protection and run game.

chetthevette
Reply to  Michael WestDominguez
4 years ago

Yes I got a man crush on Williams, and yes Cam Robinson is on my wish list.
One thing though, these comments aren’t wasted. It’s good to have open discourse of all kinds of comments.
I don’t think less of anyone for their opinions.
First amendment and all that good stuff.
GO BUCS

kram0789
4 years ago

Licht has a preference to filling pressing needs. One, sign a free agent and two use a high round pick. The one-two approach paid off in 2016; Grimes-Hargreaves and Ayers-Spence. I expect him to do the same in 2017. Look for value free agents that may have just a couple of productive years left.

matador
4 years ago

Simply put, draft picks we have few of, cap room we have lots of, and holes we have a plenty. Taking a chance on a speed WR to draw coverage while drafting a WR with a big catch radius – especially since our QB has yet to prove he has the kind of accuracy on display by the elite QBs in the playoffs – makes sense to me. We don’t have the luxury of using two high picks on WR and while a few guys have shown flashes we don’t have a reliable #2 so we really don’t have a… Read more »

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