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SR’s Fab 5 is a collection of inside scoop, analysis and insight from yours truly, PewterReport.com publisher and Bucs beat writer Scott Reynolds. Here are a few things that caught my attention this week at One Buc Place and around the NFL.

FAB 1. I’m Betting On Winston

I’ve seen the polls. I’ve read the columns from my friend and colleague Tom Jones in the Tampa Bay Times, who has called for the Buccaneers to part ways with quarterback Jameis Winston immediately following his three-game suspension by the NFL for an alleged groping incident involving a female Uber driver in Arizona in March of 2016.

I’ve done a lot of thinking about the topic: “What to do with Winston?”

Not “What will the Bucs do with Winston?”

In fact the question is what should the Bucs do with Winston?

Because what the Bucs will do with Winston is keep him on the 2018 roster where his teammates will rally around him this season. What happens after that depends on what transpires on the field this season and next, when he is poised to play on his fifth-year option for $20.922 million in 2019.

After a few weeks of reflection, I’m going to go against what Jones and a growing number of you might think, and I’m going to support Winston remaining with the Buccaneers – for the long haul if he continues to progress as a quarterback on the field.

Despite his popularity being at an all-time low in Tampa Bay, I’m with Winston.

I’m not condoning Winston’s alleged behavior at all, nor am I ignoring it. Let me be clear that groping, inappropriate sexual contact – whatever you want to call it – is unacceptable any time, anywhere and any place.

But I’ve spent a lot of time really thinking about this instead of instantly reacting to it, and I am putting a lot of stock into five things regarding Winston when it comes to my support.

1. The first is that this is his lone type of disciplinary action that Winston has had with the Buccaneers. I’m fully aware of his past transgressions at Florida State. They’ve been well documented, especially his alleged sexual assault of Erica Kinsman of which there were no charges filed. It’s true that they are a part of his past – his pre-Buccaneers past.

What we have to look at is his three years in Tampa Bay and all of the community service work he’s done with area youth and how he’s quickly evolved into a strong leadership role in the Bucs locker room and on the field. Should one incident that drew a three-game suspension (keep in mind that some PED suspensions are four games) by the NFL automatically wipe out all the good Winston has done in Tampa Bay?

The answer is no. So far, there has been more far more good than bad when it comes to Winston’s behavior. Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.

2. The second factor I’m looking at is that Winston’s alleged incident with the Uber driver happened in March of 2016. That’s almost two and a half years ago. So Winston’s first and only known incident that has happened since he’s been a Buccaneer happened when he was 22 years old. He’s now 24 and by the time he plays through his fifth year option – assuming he does and does not sign a long-term contract extension prior to 2020 – he will be 26 by the time he’s slated to be a free agent.

If this is the only nefarious incident that Winston will have as a Buccaneer by then it will have been almost four years since it occurred. One would have to think that enough growth and maturity will have occurred by then to realize that the chances of Winston committing another related act of impropriety greatly diminish as he will face a year-long suspension for the next occurrence. That’s something neither the Bucs nor Winston wants, and a telling sign that this is his first and last warning that the NFL will not be tolerant of any other behavior that would result in a suspension.

What I’m not going to do is use Winston’s youth as an excuse, however. Just because Winston is now 24 or will be 26 doesn’t automatically mean that something bad won’t happen again. Former Carolina wide receiver Rae Carruth plotted the assassination of the mother of his child at age 25. Former Atlanta safety and team captain Eugene Robinson was arrested during Super Bowl week soliciting an undercover cop for prostitution at the age of 35.

Stupidity doesn’t have a maturity date or an expiration date. I’m just willing to bet that this suspension has Winston’s full attention and that he’s going to change his ways, which leads me to my next factor.

3. The most telling passage in Winston’s statement following the official announcement of his three-game suspension was his admission that he had given up alcohol. Good for him, as by the accounts of that fateful night in Arizona, Winston had become drunk and unruly at a party – hence the Uber ride. Not only do I believe it was a contributing factor in the groping charge in Arizona, but I would bet alcohol was involved and possibly had a role to play in his night with Kinsman at Florida State.

Sober people typically make better decisions, and some people simply can’t handle booze. Some people are funny drunks. Some people are mean drunks. Some people get very flirty and grabby when they are drunk. Some people are pass-out drunks. I’m not sure what type Winston was, but the fact that he’s given up alcohol is a good thing as it has contributed to some of his past problems.

According to the Uber driver, Winston began to inappropriately touch her and when she asked what he was doing he stopped. Depending on how drunk Winston was during the Uber ride, there is a pretty good chance he may not totally remember the events that transpired or allegedly transpired, and that’s not good. Preventing any other incidents like this from happening by staying sober seems like the wise and reasonable thing for Winston to do.

Bucs QB Jameis Winston and WR Mike Photo by: Getty Images
Bucs QB Jameis Winston and WR Mike Photo by: Getty Images

4. Winston announced he had become a father to his son, Antonor Malachi Winston, on July 4. He got engaged his to his long-time girlfriend and the child’s mother, Breion Allen, back in May. The actions that were alleged to occur in Arizona in March of 2016 happened at a different time and place in Winston’s life. Getting married and becoming a father require more selflessness and maturity.

Yet make no mistake. There are plenty of deadbeat dads and cheating husbands out there in the streets of America. Getting married and having a child doesn’t mean that Winston – or anyone – will automatically be more responsible and won’t make mistakes. But it means he should be more responsible.

Bucs wide receiver Mike Evans hasn’t had a single incident that has damaged his reputation while at Texas A&M or in Tampa Bay. Evans, who is a father and was married a few years ago, now has more in common with Winston than just being teammates and catching touchdown passes. Here’s to hoping that being a father and eventually being married allows Winston to stay on a truer path like the one that Evans seems to be on.

5. The final point I’m marinating on is a big one to the Bucs organization, and that’s the level of investment the team has in Winston, who was the first overall draft pick in 2015. In case you haven’t heard, trying to find a good quarterback isn’t easy, especially for this franchise, which has never had a drafted quarterback get signed to a second contract in its four decades of existence.

Think about that for a second.

Now think about the fact that former Bucs quarterbacks Doug Williams, Steve Young and Trent Dilfer all went on to win Super Bowls elsewhere, and that Vinny Testaverde, the number one overall pick in 1987 by Tampa Bay, passed for 46,233 yards and went to the playoffs three times in his 21-year career.

Simply parting ways with the first overall draft pick – especially a quarterback – is not an easy decision, nor should it be despite what Jones thinks. Do you really want to see Winston, who has yet to fully develop as an NFL quarterback, go off and be successful elsewhere at the ripe old age of 26?

Are you willing to bet that Winston goes elsewhere and flops? History suggests otherwise because the track record this team has is that good quarterbacks that leave here find greatness elsewhere. I don’t think that this fan base can withstand another one, especially the old-time folks that have been following this franchise since 1976.

So does Winston deserved to be banished from Tampa Bay over an alleged act that the NFL deemed worthy of only a three-game suspension? No, absolutely not.

Bucs QB Jameis Winston - Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR
Bucs QB Jameis Winston – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR

And don’t tell me that the original ban was supposed to be for six games. It’s a three-game suspension that only becomes a six-game suspension if he doesn’t meet certain requirements set forth by the league, which likely includes counseling. If it were a six-game suspension, Winston would be suspended six games by Emperor Goodell and his NFL.

Instead of being over-reactionary and wanting to kick Winston down the road and betting against him, I’m betting on him. And you know what? The Bucs are, too.

I’m going to go all in on supporting Winston, and forgiving him of – at the very least putting himself in a bad situation – with alcohol and bad judgment as the culprit – and expecting a sober Winston not to make any more bad decisions that will put his NFL career in Tampa Bay at risk.

I don’t believe Winston is a bad guy. I don’t believe he’s undeserving of a second chance in Tampa.

If I’m wrong – and the Bucs are wrong – and Winston screws up again, we’ll have egg on our face and the player many hoped would be this team’s franchise quarterback will indeed be on the next pirate ship out of Tampa Bay. Jones and those who believe Winston should have been released by now will be proven right in the end.

I’m willing to take this chance because I’ve seen pro players like Ray Lewis, Ben Roethlisberger and Kobe Bryant bounce back from similar accusations to have a lot of success with their respective teams. I think Winston can, too.

I believe that the only way Winston won’t be a Buccaneer past the year 2019 will be if he falters on the field as a quarterback, rather than off the field as a citizen not using good citizenship. He has two years to grow and mature as a QB. And of course I’m hoping he grows and matures as a person, too.

Winston has 100 million reasons not to screw up again. I’ll take those odds – that’s a bet worth making.

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Scott Reynolds is in his 24th year of covering the Tampa Bay Buccaneers as the vice president, publisher and senior Bucs beat writer for PewterReport.com. Author of the popular SR's Fab 5 column on Fridays, Reynolds oversees web development and forges marketing partnerships for PewterReport.com in addition to his editorial duties. A graduate of Kansas State University in 1995, Reynolds spent six years giving back to the community as the defensive line coach for his son's Pop Warner team, the South Pasco Predators. Reynolds can be reached at: [email protected]

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jackpc1
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jackpc1

Scott,

I agree 100%. For well known reasons at FSU, I had hoped Bucs would pick Mariotta over Jameis. From what I have observed, he is learning to become more mature and dedicate himself to becoming a better man, husband, father and a professional football player. Jameis has two strikes. He is on the edge of throwing away his career. But I hope he continues on the right path. I am willing to give Jameis one more chance to not disappoint – off the field.

Honey Bear
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Honey Bear

What exactly are the 2 strikes? The way I see it, he has at least 3, and that’s just with the Bucs alone. Even if you don’t count each incident as a “strike”, it’s an embarrassing pattern that the Bucs keep enabling. 1. Telling girls to be “silent”, after already having a history of sexual abusing women. 2. Poking Marshon Lattimore 3. Eating “W’s” 4. Groping the Uber driver. 5. Lying about it. 6. A half-assed apology. Yes, I separated those three actions regarding what happened with the Uber driver because they were all separate decisions he made which show… Read more »

WestChap
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WestChap

I fully agree. Scott says he’s sticking with Winston based on “putting a lot of stock into 5 things”. After reading those “things” its clear the last is what’s driving his decision: the Bucs have invested a ton in Winston (and he’s not easily replaced). While I disagree I would encourage anyone taking that position to just admit that they are overlooking the facts (he lied and attempted to impugn the driver), decisions (he issued a non-apology, now he’s sensitive about t-shirt articles) and noise (lots of rumors and guesses but the truth is only one person really knows what… Read more »

niko521
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niko521

No WestChap, its clear YOU saw no.5 as the biggest reason. Not SR’s fault you ignored 1, 2, 3 and 4, which were all better arguments.

niko521
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niko521

Honey Bear, there is no way anyone can take you seriously with that list. Why didn’t you add 7) made it rain on Thursday 8) didn’t brush his teeth and floss 3x a day , 9) failed to wipe dry behind the ears 10) Allegedly ripped the tag off of his new mattress 11) incorrectly listed a 4.20 lunch as a deduction on his taxes 12) Made me write this silly elementary school list.

Schwifty9
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Schwifty9

They absolutely should not trade for Teddy. Save that draft pick. And then for risk insurance draft a QB late next year.

MNBucFan
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MNBucFan

I grew up in Tampa and have been in MN for 10 years. I have watched almost every play of Teddy’s career. He is not a fit for the down the field offense the Bucs run at all. He’s a smart, short throw QB and a great person. He’s also boring as _____ and will be the next QB that many Bucs fans will be frustrated with as Vikings fans were.

He’s a backup QB. I agree with you.

Schwifty9
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Schwifty9

Respect man. My main criticism for Teddy coming out of LV was his lack of arm strength. Didn’t see the amount of zip necessary to fit it into those much tighter NFL windows. However I gotta say that he outperformed my expectations with the Vikings and Pat Shurmur’s QB friendly, short passing offense. But yeah, he definitely does not fit into Dirks 4 vert based scheme, which puts a tremendous load of responsibility on the QB to read the seams and be able to fit the ball into tight spots down the field. That’s actually one of my main critiques… Read more »

BigSombrero
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BigSombrero

I agree with you. Skip Bridgewater. He’s likely done. Sad but true. He was a helluva college star and he made a few great plays at Minnesota, but mostly he was unimpressive. Case Keenum was better. I rest my case.

tpeluso
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tpeluso

Trading for Bridgewater now is a smart move as long as you aren’t overpaying. I’d be fine with a 5th; a 4th is pushing it (considering that Day 2/early Day 3 is where Licht’s made his money as a drafter), and anything higher would be a no-go. But Griffin’s shown nothing to prove why he should remain on this team (in a world without the Jameis incident + suspension, he would be an easy cut at the end of training camp) and Bridgewater’s our best shot at an affordable long-term backup plan.

Wausa
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Wausa

Great fab 5 .
Winston will end up being a great QB. The Bucs would be smart to see what Jamies can do over the next two years.

BUC-ASS-BOB
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BUC-ASS-BOB

You must live in world of cute little fairy’s and unicorns that poop butterfly’s
I can not count how many people I know that stopped drinking and started again
I assume the percentage is 90%
All the problems that surfaced in collage have surfaced in NFL
Cut him now and begin a new life with QB that understand there role.
Even with out off field issues he has been a loser.
If he goes off the reservation again the damage to the team and owners will be huge.
Why take a risk on a loser?

GBOBUCSFAN
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GBOBUCSFAN

Did any of those people have 100 million dollars on the line to stay sober?

Why take the risk? Scott just wrote an entire article on why to take the risk.

Sneedy16
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Sneedy16

You know who also was about to be banned by the NFL because he a 3 DUI’s? Jared Allen Chiefs didn’t resign him and he Stop drinking and signed a big contract with Minnesota. Averaged over 14 sacks a season with them as well. So yes people can stop drinking when there’s Millions involved.

Dave
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Dave

Calling a man who is trying to better his life with a new wife, a child, and potential sobriety, is flat out disgusting. The only loser is you. 10 to 1 you’ve done NOTHING with your life, other than bash everyone else on social media. Real class act

Lord Jameis Christ
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Lord Jameis Christ

Calling a man out that treats women like garbage. Thousands of men marry their babymama for the sake of the lil [email protected]@rd. Doesn’t change anything.

Sneedy16
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Sneedy16

Lord Jameis Christ,
You have no idea what you are talking about. He’s a sloppy drunk that gets extra friendly. When he’s sober he’s completely different. Cutting alcohol out is the best thing he can do the better himself. He didn’t marry is baby mama which was an idiotic comment, because they’ve been dating since high school. They live together, so yeah that’s not a “baby mama”.

Honey Bear
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Honey Bear

This comment makes no sense. Winston’s NFL record is 18-27. That qualifies the “loser” comment. If we are going to start looking at his personal life, he isn’t a “loser”, he has made millions of dollars, has a family, and has gotten away with sexually abusing women with virtually no consequences. I would say that just makes him a low life and a creep. When he makes up for what he did, and lives clean for a few years, then we can reevaluate.

BigSombrero
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BigSombrero

Sorry, but like most people, I don’t think Jameis’s behavior in Arizona with the Uber driver in 2016 is grounds for termination. He acknowledged and apologized for putting the driver in a bad situation and gave up drinking subsequently. He has remained sober by all accounts since. She is satisfied, why aren’t you? He is human and made a mistake. Be thankful he isn’t Shady McCoy. That guy is truly a piece of shit. Jameis is not.

eac1029
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eac1029

Excellent view of the Jameis situation, Scott. You literally share my exact sentiment of this situation. You hit on every single aspect of how I feel this should be viewed. I would like to add that what Jameis did is ridiculous. Assuming he did grope that driver. It’s something that not many people can forgive and I respect that. He needs to learn from it and this may be the best way to do so. However, we don’t know for certain that he did and will never know. It’s America and people are innocent until proven guilty. He was NOT… Read more »

Honey Bear
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Honey Bear

What “proves” guilt? A picture of the grope? “Could have been photoshopped!” Audio??? “Oh that’s not his voice!” A video?? “It’s blurry, that could be anyone!” Innocent people don’t lie. He was caught red-handed in multiple lies with GPS evidence and the testimony of his “friend”. The Uber driver is not seeking money or fame, so she had absolutely no reason to say anything but the absolute truth. Jameis has no defense, he was extremely drunk and accepted his punishment, followed by a half assed apology. I hope Jameis is motivated. But not in football, that doesn’t matter in this… Read more »

eac1029
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eac1029

That’s true but for you to suggest guilt is a fact with the evidence supported is just silly. Nobody knows but them two. It’s likely he did it but not guaranteed so stop acting like your opinion is the end all be all.

Also GPS evidence pointed out he was alone for the second car ride. There were 2! He may have been referencing the first and forgot about the second.

He needs to grow up still though, yes.

DonkeyHunter
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DonkeyHunter

“The second factor I’m looking at is that Winston’s alleged incident with the Uber driver happened in March of 2016. That’s almost two and a half years ago.”

Scott, why do you (and others) continually and intentionally overlook the fact that he flat-out lied bout the incident (and in some ways, shame the alleged victim) to the press, fans, and owners of the Bucs?

It’s intellectual dishonesty.

eac1029
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eac1029

Just like there is not a definitive answer to if he did grope the driver, there may never be a definitive answer to if he lied. There is still a possibility he isn’t lying or didn’t remember.

It was some time ago and he was drunk. Do you remember what happened February 27th, 2016 at 2 a.m. after drinking all night? It seems he may have been just as surprised as we are.

Not saying what he did was right, just playing devil’s advocate.

Honey Bear
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Honey Bear

This is asinine. GPS evidence and the testimony of his friend prove he lied. And innocent people don’t lie. It’s time to stop pretending like he might be innocent in all this. He is guilty, he “apologized”, and he should be released from the Bucs.

BigSombrero
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BigSombrero

He was drunk and his memory isn’t reliable. Hers is though. She didn’t file a police report but did notify Uber. He apologized for putting her in that situation. He wasn’t just “friendly” with her. He was also loud and obnoxious when he and the other players were getting in the vehicle. She wasn’t a fan. She didn’t even know who he was. It isn’t as deep as you’re making it. GPS evidence??? That’s what is asinine. It doesnt matter. He was drunk and made a bad pass. Quit watching if you want, but it doesn’t matter. He isn’t going… Read more »

eac1029
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eac1029

Exactly BucWild.

GPS evidence proves guilt is by far the most asinine comment on here. What a hypocritical comment.

The testimony of Darby, his friend, stated they were in the back seat. He was referencing the first car ride which is not a lie. LOL Fact check before you condescend others Honey Boo Boo.

It’s getting pathetic seeing Bucs fans beg for him to be let go. I hope you’re extremely angry when he balls out.

tog
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tog

Because people like Scott don’t really care about these allegations. All that’s happened since is that both Scott and Mark have defended Winston and highlighted all his positives since. Even though most of these arguments are puerile and ignore the real issues – like Winston fabricating a whole story. Or how about the fact that shamed the victim?

to some people these things don’t matter and Scott is one of those people.

Honey Bear
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Honey Bear

Exactly right Donkey Hunter! This article says he did this 2 years ago. All the lying and covering up has been ongoing ever since! Cut Winston.

eac1029
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eac1029

NOBODY is cutting Winston, Honey Bear. You’re getting yourself all worked up for nothing and you just look silly.

scot pederson
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scot pederson

It’s been 3 years now of ‘not giving up on Winston’ and all we see is regression. Sure his QB rating went up, but his Red Zone completion % fell below 50%. That’s where the games are won. Also, his fumbles increased and his deep ball is still mostly incompletions.

A 3 win year in what 11 games is hardly hope for improvement.

cgmaster27
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cgmaster27

And yet you completely ig ore the fact that 4 of those losses were 4th quarter defensive collapses and missed field goals. But heck Jameis needs to start playing linebacker and kicker according to you right? Did you miss the game GB won without their QB even throwing a pass in their last two drives? Did you miss the 3 misses fg that wouldve beaten new England? Did you miss tyrod damn Taylor taking 45 seconds to tie a game only to watch Humphries fumble the game away? Did you kiss another chip shot missed fg and swaggy jumping offsides… Read more »

DonkeyHunter
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DonkeyHunter

I didn’t miss the GB game. Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t that the one where Winston literally handed them a potential 14-point swing in a 6-point loss.

That GB game?

Dave
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Dave

Or the Vikings game where Case Keenum did his best Joe Montana impression by putting up 4 TD’s on the Vikes first 6 drives. But according to half these JW hating clowns, it was all on him because he threw 3 picks. Well no sh*t, what’s he supposed to do, be “smart” and throw checkdowns, when the Vikings are scoring on every single possession? The lack of football knowledge in these article forums is downright laughable at times

eac1029
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eac1029

HAHA Dave you are so right!

Casey Morgan
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Casey Morgan

I think Fitz wins 2 of the first 3 games. Winston won’t be ready until after the bye, so Fitz will start in Chicago too. Once he is 3-1 and looking good who will want interception and fumble master Winston to come back?

Dave
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Dave

Casey Morgan. I say this with all due respect. You’re a complete moron. Let me be VERY clear…Ryan Fitzpatrick is an absolute joke. Facing the Eagles, Steelers and Saints, the Bucs will be 0-3, Fitz will have 10+ TO’s, and everyone will be reminded of the ridiculous gap in talent between Fitz and Winston. And then(and apparently ONLY then) i can finally stop hearing moronic Bucs fans stop talking about “Fitz went 2-1 as a starter” god almighty, get over that. There’s a reason he’s a backup. And you’ll be reminded of that reason after the first 3 games

nybuccguy
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nybuccguy

“Winston wont be ready until after the bye.” What a stupid thing to say. Stop embarrassing yourself.

Tony Dickson
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Tony Dickson

Well said brother, well said.

martinii
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martinii

Fully enjoyed the article Scott. In the sea of “Gloom and Doom,” for the Buc’s by so many others it was refreshing to read a fair assessment of Jameis and a logical argument for Bridgewater. I even agree with most of your 53 man roster projection. While Winston is a wait and see proposition, for all the reasons you addressed I am optimistic his off field behavior will continue to improve however I am only cautiously optimistic that his on-field performance will improve. Surely Licht has provided players with the potential to win and weapons that hopefully Jameis can use… Read more »

Jolly Bucs Fan
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Jolly Bucs Fan

Id offer a 6th for bridgewater at the most.

Jets are going to end up cutting him anyway if McCown beats him out

BigSombrero
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BigSombrero

I agree about them cutting Teddy. He’s done.

sunshineben
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sunshineben

What has Winston done on the field ??? nothing special as he is rated average with all the receivers. After being the 1st pick in the draft Winston has shown NOT to be a leader and should NOT be the face of the bucs.

cgmaster27
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cgmaster27

Shocker a Mariota fan boy thinks that. Read my comments below to show what hes done on the field. But I’m sure you’ll just ignore the facts as usual.

cgmaster27
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cgmaster27

Great fab 5 Scott. Jameis will absolutely handle this the right way. He is one qb who can deal with that adversity and eliminate the noise. Yoyll have your clowns like a few above who would rather dump him like morons, but those of us with common sense , know his fate will be decided on the field this year. Heres a fun fact for the people who completely disregard his play. In his first 45 games compared to hall of Famer Drew Brees, ben rothlesburger, tomBrady, and Brett farve, Jameis has a better quarterback rating, more yards, and that’s… Read more »

Dave
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Dave

Perfectly said Cg !

sunshineben
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sunshineben

Do you believe Winston is a leader after not being truthful with the coaches or fans? He also has NOT shown as much accuracy with the long ball. (Not necessarly M.M. fan but M.M. has been rated higher then Winston by the nfl every year , so make your excuses.).

Jlog
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Jlog

Jameis has better stats and is ranked higher than Marcus.

Naplesfan
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Naplesfan

nope

MM has significantly better total qbr than winston, was rated vastly higher by pff based on game tape analysis, mm started more games amd won way more games, took his team to the playoffs, won a playoff game … while winston took his team to 3-10, and a 3 game suspension this year for drunkenly groping a female and then lying about it for the last year.

In what alternate universe do you exist in.

Facts. Unassailable fact, no matter how much the winston fanboys furiously spin, make dumb excuses and attack winston’s victims.

Brandonges
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Brandonges

If our 12 overall draft pick can’t start as a rookie, it does not bode well for his future. Early first round picks should be immediate contributors. Hoping I’m wrong, but I still think passing on Derwin James will come back to haunt the Bucs.

If Teddy can be acquired for a fourth rounder or later, I’d pull the trigger. He’s on a good contract and the Bucs have no future certainty in the QB room.

scubog
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scubog

A little trip down Memory Lane. Warren Sapp (12th pick in the Draft) couldn’t beat out Santana Dotson his rookie year. Just sayin.

Brandonges
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Brandonges

Fair point

buccaneerNW
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buccaneerNW

Excuse making for Winston continues. I never liked him, but I hung in and hoped for the best. After 3 years of uneven performances, lots of losing, and a new p-grabbing drama to deal with, plus his phony choir-boy and hard work BS, I’m done. I’m ready for any QB besides Winston. Fuck that guy.

BigSombrero
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BigSombrero

buccaneersNW – What will you do if the Bucs sign him to a long term deal? Quit watching? Worse yet, what if you get your wish and the Bucs release him and shady ass New Orleans picks him up to replace a retiring Drew Brees and he dominates. I bet you’ll blame the Bucs owners for releasing him if that happens.

Dman
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Dman

Keep Jamies for the long haul. This is just such an over reaction. The guy was drunk, made a pass and backed off. The stuff with Kinsman was garbage from the get go – not one of numerous investigations ever found Jamies culpable. The guy didn’t murder anyone for Pete’s sake. And Tom Jones is an idiot. Why we should care what he thinks is beyond me. Regarding Bridgewater, I’ve posted I loved this guy a few years ago. But he’s not that guy anymore. All this Do Something Now discussion is a waste of time and a distraction. The… Read more »

BigSombrero
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BigSombrero

Well put.

Jlog
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Bringing Bridgwater in makes no sense at all. He’s not as good as Winston, but more importantly like Winston at this point he’s not a franchise QB. So if you bring him over we are still working with a place holder it’s same boat we’ve always been in and it should be clear at this point that doesn’t lead to consistency. We just hold what we have see how the season plays out. Regardless what happens we draft a QB #1, a accurate one and groom him. If we don’t need him fine if we do he’s there.

nybuccguy
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nybuccguy

The article clearly states that Bridgewater would be the backup QB. How he compares to Winston isnt relevant.

Horse
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Horse

I wouldn’t waste a 2019 draft pick on trading for anybody at this point in time.
What I would do is trade one of our players in a swap; we do have some positions of quality depth..

Just my opinion but we do have an issue at QB for the first 3 games and we do need to have a better backup quarterback at the number 3 spot; Griffin is untested and not the answer.

I think we still have a need at running back; hard for me to understand the logic of keeping Sims.

Good article Scott.

Dman
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Dman

Have been waiting for us to cut Sims for two years….

Horse
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Horse

+1

BigSombrero
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BigSombrero

+2

jrwilson85
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jrwilson85

There are always the blue nosed prigs who can point the finger at others and most of them have done worse things than groping an Uber driver. The Bucs have a magical way of parting with talent that makes a splash for their new team. Aqib Talib and LeGarrette Blount are two that come to mind. After this season we can probably add Doug Martin to the list. I’m tired of the flip flopping and standing on high moral ground, it’s time to think about winning football games. Winston groped the uber gal 2 years ago. Hopefully he has learned… Read more »

Naplesfan
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Naplesfan

So according to you everybody that does not rape and assault females is a blue nosed prig?

Anybody who would write or say such an obnoxious abusive slander as you just did is by definition an abusive asshole. You are.

surferdudes
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On your 53 Scott, not sure the Bucs won’t part ways with Humphries, keeping Wilson. Bobo had one catch, touchdown, how many touchdowns Hump have? As for our O line being set, I’ll believe it when I see Dotson play again. Pass on Bridgewater.

SiegeTheBay
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SiegeTheBay

Hey Scott, I have a question for ya,

Do you have any locker room media insight as to why Josh Robinson is strictly a special teamer and never really given the opportunity to play on defense? A 27 yr old CB now converted into a safety with a 4.31 forty seems a bit odd as to his lack of chances in the secondary. He flashed potential in Minnesota before us as a talented CB. Have any of the coaches ever really divulged the reason for this?

Mike Wright
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Mike Wright

Like you said here Scott. IF….Winston improves. I’m certainly not seeing that yr to yr improvement I’d thought we’d see. In a way, I’m glad all of this backdoor Jameis crap is brightly shining in the forefront. This kid has gotten more than his fair share of Mulligans on and off the field. He’s under the microscope now..Hell, Telescope!! Winning makes fans sorta forgive. Lose and they continue to say, See, I told you So!!! The only way out for Mr. Winston is to lead and start Winning. Lose and get the walmart reel & rod off season special with… Read more »

drdneast
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drdneast

I guess I’m part of the 10 percent of the people who the writer “assumed” were able to stop drinking when they said they would. From attending AA meetings and other outreach events, I can assure you the number is much higher but the writer is correct in his assumption that there is no guarantee to sobriety. Tom Jones also wanted to get rid of Aqib Talib and he got his wish and of course Talib went on to become an All-Pro. Talib is no sterling character that is for sure, but for some strange reason, I still wish he… Read more »

Buc-in-Philly Fan
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Buc-in-Philly Fan

drdneast, I really like your thought processes on the football portions of your posts. I disagree with ALL of your political thought processes but that just shows, in America you can have differing opinions but still communicate with respect and like our fellow Brothers and Sisters.

Go Bucs and go USA!

Horse
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Horse

+1

zachary blaine
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zachary blaine

Why would we trade a franchise quarterback for a backup? Nothing personal towards Bridgewater and Jameis is my quarterback in all honesty.

Lord Jameis Christ
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Lord Jameis Christ

Winston is a POS that treats women like property. You don’t just grow out of that.

Buc-in-Philly Fan
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Buc-in-Philly Fan

You are welcomed to bandwagon for another Team. Just simply….go away….

BigSombrero
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BigSombrero

Our president treats women like property too. This thing starts at the top.

drdneast
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drdneast

I concur with your last two statements Buc-n-Philly Fan.
Now Lord Jameis Christ, are you ready to state that Donnie Trump is the same way, if not worse, and he should resign from his office for engaging in the same behavior on many more occasions than Winston has.
Please be consistent.

fredster
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fredster

Good article. Agree with a lot. It definitely Would be smart to have Teddy if it’s just a fourth rd pick., and has more to do with our QB line up than me worrying Winston will get in trouble again or stink it up when he comes back. I have no faith in Griffin. Fitzpatrick is gone after this year, If He gets hurt Bucs are screwed royal IMO. Griffin has done nothing except suck in preseason And get hurt. Not sure what they see in Him really.

JJ
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JJ

Well getting butt hurt about what Auman said and responding to it shows a nice big fat step backwards. He has time to respond to media about a bunch of BS but still hasn’t addressed the fans who actually matter. Who’s in charge of his PR? Probably a bunch of his buddies from Alabama flippin a coin on how to handle these situations.

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owlykat

I totally agree, Scott. Bridgewater would be a great backup QB to replace Fritz when he retires and we need to get him now before his value skyrockets. He is a very accurate passer and stays cool in the pocket. As far as the criticism that he does not have the arm strength that Jameis has, I have not been happy with the seven second drop backs that Koetter keeps trying to run because we don’t have the quality LT we need to hold off sackers that long and that results in a lot of sacks and fumbles. Look at… Read more »

scubog
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scubog

As usual, we are subjected to the continued regurgitation of folks’ predetermined opinions of a story that, does little more than serve to the needs of the “fans” who are still waving the Marcus Mariota banner. The of course, DrD can’t give his otherwise logical viewpoint without getting political on what is supposedly a football site. I really don’t care what the Titans QB does on or off the field. It’s just comical to me how some are so utterly pompous that they actually believe only they bask in a flawless, ultra moral high ground world (Tom Jones is Mayor)… Read more »

Buc-in-Philly Fan
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Buc-in-Philly Fan

Thumbs up on this comment all the way around!

Devasher
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Devasher

Scubog, I never waved the Marcus Mariota banner in 2015, I fully supported the pick of Jameis at the time with what I knew of the original rape accusation. But like some others I am willing to admit when I’m wrong on someone, so your premise that only Mariota fans are taking Winston to task for this is complete and total BS. Some of us are capable of learning based on new information while others refuse to give in and justify their feelings no matter the change in circumstances Scott Reynolds And to your point that we must all be… Read more »

scubog
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scubog

This may come as a shock to you Devasher……..Not everything is about you. I didn’t say it was ONLY Mariota fans, but you can bet that those folks are thumping their “I told you so” chests with glee. There are plenty herein who have bemoaned the Winston choice and have been hoping to see him fail from the start. Apparently you missed all of the continued statistical comparisons fans like Naples dig up.

No one is condoning Winston’s alleged “cooter touching” in which, like the Tallahassee incident, was no criminal charge.

Devasher
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Devasher

“subjected to the continued regurgitation of folks’ predetermined opinions ” My point is your premise is off. You are generalizing that the opinions presented are predetermined. My example is to show that my opinion was not, there are others who stated they previously supported Winston and stopped and it flushes your “predetermined” piece down the drain. But sure, some people are saying they “told ya so” and Winston is one more allegation from guaranteeing they are right. “No one is condoning Winston’s alleged “cooter touching” No one is condoning it? Several people here have stated it was a minor deal,… Read more »

drdneast
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drdneast

Scubog, I agree with you totally. The only reason I bring Donnie up is I believe a good deal of the diatribes directed against Winston have an underlying tone of racism. I didn’t see half the hysterical furor created in the media when Ben Rothlesberger was charged with mauling a woman despite her protests although it did come out that Big Ben had a history of such behavior. And I can bet the number of Steeler fans calling for the team to get rid of him was far less. The same could be said about Kobe Bryant. Here is what… Read more »

Devasher
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Devasher

Ben Roethlisberger was not charged with rape but was accused of it, much like Winston was accused of rape in college. If you want to fully believe Roethlisberger raped a woman because of the accusations against him but simultaneously deny Winston did anything wrong with Kinsman or the Uber driver, that’s on you. It is possible they both did bad things on the nights they were alleged. Regarding the race angle, I haven’t heard anyone really defend Roethlisberger here, the white guy, but I have heard lots of defenses for Winston here, the black guy. OJ Simpson had the cops… Read more »

scubog
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scubog

I don’t see any “racism” here, but who knows what’s in some folks minds…….on both sides. The racism card gets played too often when all other legitimate arguments fail.

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fl0nase

I think for me it’s hard not to think about Roethlisberger in the context of what’s happened with Winston recently. I’m not trying to engage in whataboutism with these two, but considering how much this has been raised already in this thread, I’ll share my thoughts. I want to say first, I haven’t watched the documentary or know the specifics about his alleged rape at FSU. So that’s perhaps some willful ignorance on my part. At the end of the day, neither Roethlisberger or Winston were charged. But Roethlisberger was charged with sexual assault twice and in both cases the… Read more »

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I agree with you on all your points here Scott. Despite the opinions of many on here, the fact he got a 3 game suspension is proof enough that there was nothing to go on or the NFL would’ve hit him with much more. Even if he did grope the driver (which wouldn’t be acceptable), in her own words he stopped when she addressed it. Let’s not compare getting touchy with rape like I see many of you on here doing. Fact is though, the NFL would never offer a 3 game suspension for inappropriate touching, so obviously there was… Read more »

40+yrs fan, 7 double digit win seasons, feels like 30+ double digit losing seasons & 1 SB. Go yucks
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40+yrs fan, 7 double digit win seasons, feels like 30+ double digit losing seasons & 1 SB. Go yucks

He lied about who was in the car. This is the second time he has been accused of sexual misconduct. Why does this keep happening to him. I don’t think he should be involved with football period. Until he gives us full disclosure. Not a lie or booze excuse. He has not been held accountable about these allegations. The NFL should be an honor to be involved with, not a right What we do know by his own admission he can’t handle his booze. How can you be a leader of men & you can’t handle your oil. (booze). That… Read more »