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FAB 1. Is It Fair For The Bucs To Evaluate Winston On Just 2019?

We’ve seen it all from Tampa Bay quarterback Jameis Winston this year.

We’ve seen the sterling performance in a 55-40 Week 4 upset of the Rams out in Los Angeles when Winston threw for 385 yards and four touchdowns with one interception and was the NFC Offensive Player of the Week – looking like the number one overall pick from the 2015 NFL Draft.

And we’ve seen an absolute clunker from Winston in a 37-26 loss to Carolina in London two weeks later when he passed for 400 yards with a career-high five interceptions and a fumble to go along with just one touchdown – a game in which Winston has lived up to his “turnover machine” moniker.

We’ve seen Winston play really well in a loss, as he did in a Week 3 32-31 defeat to New York when he passed for 380 yards and three touchdowns and one interception as he drove the Bucs down the field for a potential game-winning field goal, only to see rookie Matt Gay miss the kick.

And we’ve seen Winston play decent in a win against Arizona last week as he threw for 358 yards and just one touchdown with two interceptions.

There are seven more games to evaluate Winston before the Bucs have to make an absolutely monumental decision about whether or not he is the quarterback of the future in Tampa Bay. Winston is in an ever-important fifth-year option that is paying him $20.922 million in 2019.

With Winston coming into his first year with Bruce Arians throwing for 14,628 yards with a 61.6 percent career completion percentage and 88 touchdowns and 58 interceptions in his four years with Dirk Koetter, the question that has been on my mind for some time is how Arians would evaluate his quarterback.

So I asked Arians on Wednesday if he is going to evaluate Winston on his entire five-year body of work or just the 2019 season he’s spent coaching the team’s first-round pick in 2015.

Bucs QB Jameis Winston and head coach Bruce Arians
Bucs QB Jameis Winston and head coach Bruce Arians – Photo by: Getty Images

“I don’t give a shit about the last four [years],” Arians said. “I only care about when I had him. It doesn’t have shit to do with the Saints.”

Arians was a bit touchy about the subject because moments earlier he was asked about how he would evaluate Winston on the first nine games of the season.

“The last [three], very good – I think three for sure,” Arians said. “Still a little bit up and down at times, but [in] two-minute situations and bringing us from behind, he’s been excellent.”

Arians isn’t necessarily interested in evaluating Winston now. He’s focused on seeing how Winston and his Buccaneers team fare against visiting New Orleans. Arians, like most NFL head coaches, live week-to-week – and rightly so.

But let’s examine what Arians said because it was telling.

Arians told me that he wasn’t going to include Winston’s four previous years in Tampa Bay in his own personal evaluation. That’s erasing a lot of Winston’s interceptions and fumbles, as well as his underwhelming 21-33 record as a starter.

But it’s also erasing his back-to-back 4,000-yard seasons to start his career, his Pro Bowl berth in 2016 – albeit after several veteran QBs opted not to play in the all-star game – and the career-high 64.6 percent completion percentage Winston put up last year by starting nine of the 11 games he played in.

Arians would also be erasing Winston being the Bucs’ all-time leading passer and touchdown thrower, as well as his career low 2.5 interception rate in 2017 (he currently has a 3.9 INT rate this year, which is the highest of his career).

Bucs QB Jameis Winston and former HC Dirk Koetter - Photo by: Mary Holt/PR
Bucs QB Jameis Winston and former HC Dirk Koetter – Photo by: Mary Holt/PR

Perhaps the bigger question is, will Jason Licht and the Glazers just ignore – or maybe just devalue – Winston’s first four-years in Tampa Bay when it comes to their evaluation of him, too?

And if so, is that a good thing or a bad thing?

Because I’m not really sure.

What do you think, Bucs fans? I’m curious to get your opinions on it.

I don’t think Winston necessarily got the best coaching from 2015-18, nor do I believe that Koetter was in his corner then the way Arians is now. So I suppose I would weight what he does this year a bit more than how he performed under Koetter during his first four seasons in red and pewter.

But I would also take into consideration two things.

The first is that this is his initial season in Arians’ offense and there were bound to be some growing pains. Games against the 49ers, the Panthers and the Titans were evidence of that.

The second is that the narrative around Winston hasn’t changed a whole bunch. He still throws a bunch of touchdowns and a bunch of interceptions. He’s up to 17,393 yards passing with 105 touchdowns and 72 interceptions on his football card heading into this week’s game against the Saints.

On the year, Winston has completed 59.7 percent of his throws for 2,765 yards with 17 touchdowns and a league-high 14 interceptions. That puts him on pace to throw for a franchise-record 30 touchdowns and a career-high 24 interceptions, along with 4,915 yards, which would also be a new franchise record.

Bucs QB Jameis Winston - Photo by: Getty Images
Bucs QB Jameis Winston – Photo by: Getty Images

Everything is great outside of those interceptions.

Winston added two more last Sunday against Arizona, but a strange thing happened.

Tampa Bay’s defense actually helped overcame them for a change. After Winston’s first pick, the Bucs defense held the Cardinals to a field goal. Following Winston’s second interception, linebacker Lavonte David got the ball right back to the offense with a forced fumble and fumble recovery in the red zone.

“That’s the big thing – when your defense gets turnover you want to score touchdowns,” Winston said. “And when you put your defense in a bad position you want them to get you the ball back. That’s called being great teammates, not saying, ‘Aw man, why are we in this situation?’ They go over there and say, ‘How can we make the best of this?’ They find a way to get the job done.”

I’ve always thought that Winston and his gunslinger mentality reminded me of Green Bay legend and Pro Football Hall of Famer Brett Favre, who threw his share of interceptions along with touchdowns. Hat tip to Bucs fan and @PewterReport follower @ShawnSagastume for the idea of the first five years statistical comparison between the QBs.


Packers general manager Ron Wolf and head coach Mike Holmgren knew that Favre was capable of throwing four touchdowns in a game – but also a pair of picks. Green Bay needed more than Pro Bowl safety LeRoy Butler on defense. The Packers needed more difference-makers on defense that could get the ball back for Favre when he made some errant throws.

So Green Bay signed All-Pro defensive end Reggie White in 1993, Pro Bowl defensive end Sean Jones in 1994, defensive tackle Santana Dotson in 1995 and former Pro Bowl free safety Eugene Robinson in 1996. Lo and behold, Favre grew in Holmgren’s offense and the Packers defense became formidable enough to win the Super Bowl during the 1996 season.

That’s what Licht has recognized as he has tried to load up the defensive side of the ball with the likes of outside linebackers Jason Pierre-Paul, Carl Nassib and Shaq Barrett, inside linebacker Devin White, defensive tackles Vita Vea, Beau Allen and Ndamukong Suh over the last two years.

Bucs CB Jamel Dean
Bucs CB Jamel Dean – Photo by: Getty Images

Licht has also thrown ample resources at the secondary by drafting four cornerbacks in Sean Murphy-Bunting, Jamel Dean, Carlton Davis and M.J. Stewart over the past two years, in addition to drafting safeties Mike Edwards and Jordan Whitehead and signing safeties Andrew Adams and Darian Stewart – although the youth and inexperience of the secondary has been the team’s Achilles heel this season.

If the front seven can continue to rush the passer and defend the run well, and the young secondary can mature by next year and become playmakers, Winston might have the help he needs to negate some of his turnovers.

Of the course the big question – will Winston be a Buccaneer in 2020?

Whether it’s just on this one year or all five years, Arians has said he will give Licht and the Glazers the truth about Winston.

“I will not lie – that’s for sure,” Arians said. “They’ll get my honest evaluation. That’s who I am, so I don’t think they have to worry about that.”

Arians has his reputation as “the quarterback whisperer” to uphold. It would hurt his ego a bit if Winston falters down the stretch and Arians’ latest reclamation project doesn’t work out.

Bucs QB Jameis Winston and GM Jason Licht - Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR
Bucs QB Jameis Winston and GM Jason Licht – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR

But Arians is a winner and won’t want to beat a dead horse if Winston continues to turn the ball over at a high rate and the losses pile up. He won’t want Winston to be an albatross around his neck in 2020 unless he truly believes the arrow is pointing up with Winston and he can win with him.

The same goes for Licht. Love him or despise him as Tampa Bay’s general manager, but the guy doesn’t have much of an ego. He isn’t afraid to cut his losses on his draft mistakes and his misses in free agency.

That was evidenced after his first year on the job when he released quarterback Josh McCown, defensive end Michael Johnson and left tackle Anthony Collins after a 2-14 season. Licht also swung for the fence and traded up to draft kicker Roberto Aguayo in the second round in 2016, and then cut him a year a later after he didn’t pan out. Licht also parted ways with 2016 second round pick defensive end Noah Spence before the start of the season, and he just released first-round pick cornerback Vernon Hargeaves III this week.

Some NFL GMs hang on to mistakes because they don’t want to admit their wrong. Licht isn’t like that, which is a good thing. If he believes it’s too risky to re-sign Winston after this season – whether it’s to a long-term extension or the use of the franchise tag – he’ll give the Glazers his honest opinion.

Bucs QB Jameis Winston - Photo by: Getty Images
Bucs QB Jameis Winston – Photo by: Getty Images

Just like Arians will.

Whether it’s based on Winston’s five-year career in Tampa Bay or just this year will largely depend on how Winston finishes this season – and just how good this year ends up being for the quarterback and the Buccaneers.

Grab some more popcorn because this show isn’t over yet.

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Scott Reynolds is in his 24th year of covering the Tampa Bay Buccaneers as the vice president, publisher and senior Bucs beat writer for PewterReport.com. Author of the popular SR's Fab 5 column on Fridays, Reynolds oversees web development and forges marketing partnerships for PewterReport.com in addition to his editorial duties. A graduate of Kansas State University in 1995, Reynolds spent six years giving back to the community as the defensive line coach for his son's Pop Warner team, the South Pasco Predators. Reynolds can be reached at: [email protected]

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  1. I don’t give a shit about the last four years either if Arians can fix Winston. I’ve done my share of complaining about Winston and if Bucs cut him I won’t be sad to see him go. However, I trust Arians more than my knee jerk reaction. I have been very happy with the decisions our coach has made and I am confident that whatever he decides to do with Winston will be the right call.

    Arians is willing to give somebody a second chance if that person works hard and improves. Like our kicker. And he’s not afraid to cut number one draft picks.
    I have no idea what he’s going to do, but I’ve got his back.

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  2. From year to year its quite apparent it doesnt matter what us fans think. Whether Arians wants to look at 4 years + 1 year only with him or just the 1 year really doesnt matter. Its the Glazers and J.Licht who pull the trigger or not. They have shown ever since they let their pro bowlers go years ago under Gruden that once the Glazers got a Super Bowl and moved their $ more to Manchester United, the Bucs are just a smaller profit center. So they are satisfied with Mediocrity.
    We had a chance to bring in a Legend Buc named John Lynch and no, we let the 49ers get him and look what he has done with that team in just 2 years.

    As far as Jameis goes he is propped up by 2 great WRs in Evans & Godwin and when Humphries was here. But only Fitzmagic could consistently hit Desean Jackson. But beyond the huge yards also with huge Passing Attempts are the Huge Mental Mistakes. He zones in on 1 WR, cocks his arm back like a Baseball Outfielder resulting in many fumbles lost the last 5 years and we all know about the record pace of Interceptions year after year. In the Modern era where DBs get flagged for breathing on WRs you cannot compare Jameis to Favre who played in a much tougher Passing era. Any team that is just fine with a QB on pace to throw 24 Picks and have another 5-6 win season ought to tell you they really are satisfied with the TV revenue sharing and not very hyped up on Excellence and making the playoffs consistently like the Saints, Pats, Packers, Cowboys, Seahawks, Steelers and the like.

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    • Kind of hysterical you think jameis was propped up by humpheries. How he doing this year by the way. No on the contrary jameis MADE humpheries. Jamies also mad cam brate. So wlts not pretend the only reason jameis has any stats is because of his recievers. It goes hand in hand, someone has to trhow to them.
      Jameis first year he had 25 tds i believe throwing to the like of dantea dye, and freddie martino.
      Jameis has his flaws, the turn overs being the major one, but your logic is oretty flawed. Its even funnier how yoi ssy teams loke the cowboys consistently make the playoffs. Uhh no they dont.

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      • Jesus, my spelling needs to be checked. Wish there was an edit option on here.

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        • There used to be one….way back…but it seems our terrible typing skills add the humor of the site generally, so we all have to live with it 🙂

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      • 1st year Jameis had M. Evans as his #1 target then. Did you forget?

        Adam Humphries caught the winning TD last week for the Titans on a team that doesnt have a duo like Evans & Godwin.

        Humphries is on pace for 66 catches this season on a team that runs the ball a lot more than the Bucs. And the Titans were smarter by already moving on from Mariota. Our management is happy with sub-par or mediocrity football.

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  3. Winston: I really don’t think it’s that hard. Jameis is exactly who we (should have) thought he was. He turns the ball over too much. He makes lots of excellent throws. He gets too excited in games and it clouds his mental abilities, to focus and execute. He has tons of talent. He’ll win some and he’ll lose some. BUT, we have never accepted that and done the one single thing that could take Jamies (as he is, was and always will be) and let that be a success on the filed…give him a high quality OLine. With the perennially worst rated LT in front of him, an overly aged RT, a rookie/second-year OG trying to jump from small school football to the NFL, an average (overpaid) Center, and Ali Marpet, that’s not a recipe for seeing “successful-Jameis”.

    Jensen: sure he’s better than last year – low bar. He still isn’t playing to his contract. He’s fine….not the problem, but not worth the contract.

    Gay: he looks good….kickers are evaluated week-to-week in the NFL….one of the reasons you don’t draft them high.

    Godwin: he’s excellent…WR is generally a tough position to make for the pro bowl…lots of good WRs.

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  4. Arians is gonna be here at least thru 2022. And he likes vet QB’s. He’s gonna keep Jameis..period. HE believes in his mind he is..starting to turn Jameis around. And the Glazers have no clue. Therefore they will go by what Licht and Arians say. Live or die..Jameis is gonna be here. So we’d better develop a kick A** monster Defense like we had back in the day to buffer Jameis’s F**k ups!

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  5. Get the best Right tackle available in next year’s draft or Draft the best Left Tackle available and move Donovan Smith to the right side. I am no fan of Jerry Jones but for about 3 or 4 years they kept drafting top tier lineman and now they have about the best in football. Try that for a change Licht!

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    • Buc76 I’ve been saying the same thing about moving D. Smith to RT and drafting a top tier LT in the first round.

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  6. If Jameis balls out the rest of the season and they finish 9-7 or 8-8, then yeah the first 4 years wont matter and he will be praised for evolving into a franchise caliber QB. But If we see him have multiple games with multiple turnovers and finish the season with a losing record then it will be a story of how his whole career was full of blunders and will be called a bust. As we all know, its a what have you done for me lately league. And lately, Jameis and the offense has played well enough to win. Almost 30 points per game and less bonehead plays. Keep improving.

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    • 8-8 is a stretch here. could happen. But I don’t think so. Like you say, Jameis and the offense is scoring quite bit. Which leads me to believe we gotta improve our defense to keep opponents under 14 or so. It can be done. We had this back in the day.

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      • Exactly, I was just saying winning makes it easy to forget past mistakes but losing makes you dwell on them. Like you said if this team had a decent defense, they would have a winning record.

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  7. Three things in Winston’s Defense; 1. He has never had a defense that he could rely on. 2. His offensive line has never been that great. 3. He has barely had a running game supporting him his entire career, until this year with Rojo. I’m not saying that his performance doesn’t yo-yo… It does. But, this is the second youngest team in the NFL. I think Jameis should be resigned to a long term contract. The other option is to start over and drop even further into the abyss for years (if that is possible?). I think that it would be a good idea for Licht to draft a good young arm to challenge Winston and beat him out if he can. I’m all for that. But, lets not throw the baby out with the bathwater. By the way, It was great to see Evans & Godwin right near the top of all of the receivers in the Pro Bowl consideration. Isn’t someone throwing passes to them? If Jameis shows that he can’t lead a solid team with a defense that he can rely on, fine. But, he’s is NOT the weakest part of this team. Bucs fans always want to burn it to the ground and start over. I’m sick of that. Let’s build around what we have and see what happens with the second youngest team when they grow up.

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  8. The only way Winston isn’t here next is if we find a better option at QB. We still might draft QB and we should if one falls to us. We can win with Jameis but you can’t ask him to pack the whole team in his back. The Bucs will be whole lot better off if Arians can succeed with Winston than to start over with a rookie. I think this team is closer to being a playoff team than most think. If we play well down the stretch Jameis will definitely be back. With all the likely veteran QBs available in the offseason Jameis will probably be the best so Arians won’t go a different route and probably shouldn’t.

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  9. Scott, not much new information in this Fab Five. Nothing else to say.

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  10. I thought Winston coming out of college was at times exciting at times careless with the ball well 5 yrs later same opinion exists and Reynolds comparing Winston to Favre is funny wow ok really? Favre carried a team on his back esp in crunch time and is a two time NFL MVP SB winning qb so lets just stop there. Arians is a super loyal guy to me that has always been his downfall and I love Arians I think WInston will be signed to a one yr deal as he will say what we always kept saying ” lets give him one more yr to prove he can do it” Winston has had great weapons since he has been here and has I think a league leading turnover rate of 83 turnovers I think a better comparison would have been Vinny Testeverde who also had a great arm stood tall in pocket and didn’t have the football IQ to have success in this league . I feel personally that its time to draft a qb in this years draft we will be top 10 and there are some great qb’s coming out of this class.

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  11. I stopped reading after the scenario was presented and the question was posed.

    Winston is going to be evaluated by this staff, like the last staff evaluated him, like the last staff evaluated him. Jason Licht will lend his opinion of Jameis’s last 4 years to the current coaching staff, I’m certain.

    Doesn’t matter though. This year is an accurate picture of his entire career. As usual, it is defined by record setting performances(both bad and good) and a losing record.

    It’s clear he has the ability to put up big numbers in any offense, but that’s because he’s throwing downfield passes, not slants. That leads to sacks, strips, and interception opportunities, especially when the receiver(s) falls down, runs the wrong route, drops/tips the pass, or is making a half effort to get the ball.

    Jameis would be hard but not impossible to replace. Until the Bucs can do better, better love the one you’re with.

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    • The losing record is on the defense. I remember the Doomsday, Steel Curtain, Orange Crush, Purple People Eaters, Fearsome Foursome, No Name, and all the other famous names. Over the last several years ours has become known as the Paper Mache defense.

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  12. If we resign Winston, I will have officially given up on the Bucs. Likely stop watching football all together, there are 31 other QB playing today that would be a better choice for team that wants to win.

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    • Really? That’s a bold statement. Would you want Daniel Jones, Mitch Trabisky, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jimmy G, mason rudolph, Jared Goff, Andy Dalton, or Joe flacco? I’d take Jameis over any one of those guys. Not saying Jamie’s is a top ten quarterback but he’s middle of the pick which is much better than any of the names I just listed below.

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      • Absolutely I would and so would every single coach in the league. BA has been paid to fix a veteran who from college on has been a turnover machine and not accurate.

        You guys saying we could win with him are just wrong. Today we have one the most talented receiving corps in the league however to succeed with Winston we will need a very good defense, we can’t afford both, no team can for long and we can’t win without both with him.

        @twspin That’s a hell no, I have no affinity for Florida outside of Tampa\St Pete and the weather. It’s the only state I’ve ever lived where the best thing about food was a grocery store. It’s a state where mediocrity collects. Next week there will be a headline that begins with a Florida man, I don’t have an inside scoop it just happen every week and it goes national. I only became a football fan because my company had me in a fully catered box for several years from 1999-2001.

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      • As a Bucs fan living in SoCal, I see way too much of Goff, but with that said I would take Goff over Jameis in a heartbeat.

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    • Then go ahead and place your hands behind your back. We have the handcuffs at the ready! Jameis is gonna be here. Guess you’ll be a jags fan now huh?

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    • Good riddance!

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    • That might be the single dumbest thing I’ve read on this site, buc off. That’s hard to do when you have “contributors” like BUC-ASS-BOB

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  13. Scott points to Winston’s numbers in the Giants game as being a positive, but it’s more the story of Jameis’s career, and season. Winston looked like a top five QB the first half of the Giants game racking up yards, and giving us an 18 point lead. However the second half of that game we got Mr. Hyde Winston who only completed 9 out of 15 for 117 yards no TD’s, and one interception. That game, his career, has been like that, it’s not going to change. Sure Jameis could lead us to a championship if we had the 85 Bears defense, but we don’t, and not many do. No matter how, or why your QB leads the league in interceptions, you’re at a disadvantage. I don’t know how you don’t judge his whole body of work. This year has been no different then most. Good games, bad games, good games, but all in common, a lot of turnovers, losing seasons.

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  14. When Arians says things like “ I don’t give a shit about the last four years”…that’s VERY concerning.

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    • It is but in a way, it isn’t. Coaching makes a huge difference in player development. Do you think in any way that movie or Koetter are good coaches let alone teachers? We all know that the coaching of this team has been stagnant for over a decade.

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    • Depends on how you look at it, that’s what he was hired to do. He wasn’t hired to make the team successful he was hired to fix Winston. BA is statistical speaking so far the worst coach the Bucs have had since Gruden left the team. You could also argue we’ve had the one of the softest schedules as result on league injures.

      Look I don’t hate Winston the man, but as QB he just doesn’t have the right the stuff. On the field he has the reaction time of my early stage Alzheimer father who even says he’s holding the ball too long.

      Trevor watches the game film, share the actual actual time he holds the ball.

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      • He holds the ball a long time because of the offensive systems design. Both Koetter and BA have the QB hold the ball as the plays take a long time to develop. It’s not the Left Coast Offence.

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  15. From the article: “I don’t think Winston necessarily got the best coaching from 2015-18, nor do I believe that Koetter was in his corner then[sic] the way Arians is now. So I suppose I would weight what he does this year a bit more than how he performed under Koetter during his first four seasons in red and pewter.”

    I see. So this paragraph screams narcissism as you dictate who does best for Winston? Foolish. Now, Arians thought he can “fix” Winston before he came here. Thus, Arians saying the previous four years don’t matter is a lie. It matters, but it doesn’t matter as much as now because Winston is under Arians’ wing – which is fair.

    Let’s look at this statistically with facts as opposed to “personal feelings” like you did when you launched with false accusations at Greg Schiano on behalf of being a lackey for Josh Freeman’s group.

    2015: Games = 16, Comp% = 58.3, TD = 22, INT = 15, INT% = 2.8, Sacks = 27
    2016: Games = 16, Comp% = 60.8, TD = 28, INT = 18, INT% = 3.2, Sacks = 35
    2017: Games = 13, Comp% = 63.8, TD = 19, INT = 11, INT% = 2.5, Sacks = 33
    2018: Games = 9 started (11 games), Comp% = 64.6, TD = 14, INT = 14, INT% = 3.7, Sacks = 27
    2019: Games = 9, Comp% = 59.7, TD = 17, INT = 14, INT% = 3.9, Sacks = 34

    It seems facetious to say Koetter wasn’t in Winston’s corner statistically speaking (because I can prove facts, not feelings). Under Koetter, Winston’s completion rate improved yearly, including last year’s debacle. Koetter benching Winston actually reduced Winston’s turnover rate.

    Before Benching
    Games = 4, Comp% = 64.9, TD = 6, INT = 10, Sacks = 13

    After Benching
    Games = 7, Comp% = 64.3, TD = 13, INT = 4, Sacks = 14

    If we use the “after benching” production under Koetter as the finished product of Koetter and compare it to Arians’ nine games with Winston, then we see Arians took Winston backwards.

    2019: Games = 9, Comp% = 59.7, TD = 17, INT = 14, Sacks = 34

    You should keep Koetter from living in your mind rent free.

    I liked Arians before he came here. With him here, he’s become just another coach, but I like he’s got the offense churning out top points, but at the expense of turnovers. That’s fine if and only if you have a competent defense like the 49ers.

    Bucs:
    Giveaways = 21, PPG = 28.9 pts (3rd), PPGA = 31.0 pts (32nd)

    49ers:
    Giveaways = 15, PPG = 28.8 pts (4th), PPGA = 14.3 pts (2nd)

    See how context matters? If we’re judging Winston alone for spearheading the offensive scoring, then we keep Winston. But Winston is part of a team whose defense is abysmal. So turnovers equate to be quite disastrous.

    Can Winston reduce his turnover woes (even though some of those are placed upon the WRs, which implies BAD COACHING) in the final seven games?

    It’s a complicated issue. If Arians stays on for next year, then Winston is his guy regardless of how Winston is still a turnover machine. Arians just needs a far better secondary to cover Winston’s turnover deficiency just like the 49ers can cover for its turnover offense.

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    • I appreciate the stats/facts.

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    • Holy shit, that sack number just POPS out this year.

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  16. I think a more accurate comparison IS Jay Cutler. There stats are almost identical thru 60 games. I wish it was Farve but thats a silly comparison. I wouldn’t resign him because there just hasn’t been any real improvment. We actually scored more offensive tds last year thru 8 games than this year. Like Cutler, Jameis is capable of having that one great year, but his career will be mostly like what we have seen. He will be taged and get another year because BA, Jason and #3 are a package deal but I would move on.

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  17. “The Bucs have finally found their kicker”… Thanks Scott for jinxing our kicker. We all know he looks great, but you can’t comment on that, it’s like talking about a no hitter in the 8th.

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  18. Probably not fair to judge him just on this year alone, but this is essentially a contract year for him. It should be his best. I think we can fairly judge BA by Winston’s record this year. IF there is a marked improvement, Bravo! If he continues to turn over the ball over hurting the team then it is just more of the same.

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  19. If he was lighting the world on fire, everyone one of these pundits would be saying judge him on this year. Now that he sucks, again, as his inconsistency has never and probably will never change, we should take it all into account?

    If by this year alone – Leads the league in interceptions (and shoulda been intercepted), fumbles a lot, takes bad sacks, and doesn’t win games.

    If career as a whole – same as above, except add multiple off field incidents including one he was suspended for and didn’t even appeal. Then there was the “eating a W” thing and him going after a Saints’ player when he’s on the sideline not in the game.

    Hmmm, let’s see, well yes, i see the Favre Comparisons, but he saved the sexual harassment stuff till late in his career.

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  20. Arians is loyal and Winston needed that. It was on record that Koetter wanted a different QB. Try succeeding as a QB in the NFL with that knowledge, Buc fans. Your boss doesn’t prefer you.

    Godwin is exceeding expectations. Who expected him to be a top 5 NFL receiver this year? Amazing! We need to start giving a little more credit to who’s throwing the ball tho.

    Jensen is definitely playing better this year. Koetter provides the perfect environment for Jensen’s attitude after signing the big contract. But that’s not what the “Fire Licht” brigade wants to hear. To them it’s ALL on Licht. How many rookies and FAs have come here LOAFING and playing SOFT because of Koetter’s regime?! Let’s not forget GMC was Captain in Kingdom Loaf for a long time too.

    BA came here cuz he believes in Winston and believes in this team. He believes they could win. Hasn’t translated just yet but winning this Sunday could go a long way.

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  21. Never mind he leads league in Intercepts again
    He will blow at least 2 – 3 more games this year
    Ask the question after his next clunker

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  22. I’ve been on both sides of the fence about Winston this year and years past. I’ve called for his job and I’ve defended his play within a new offensive system. There are several facts surrounding this whole “Franchise QB” scenario that we cannot forget:
    1. Jimbo Fisher is considered to be one of the better coaches in the college ranks
    2. Koetter is widely considered to be an offensive genius
    3. Arians is considered a legendary mind in the coaching field

    If after 6 1/2 years of being coached by some of the best minds in football we are still wondering if he’s “The One”, then we need to slap ourselves and snap out of it. You don’t spend that much time on a single player and still not know if he’s your guy moving forward. Winston is not the only QB in the league to have to deal with the adversities of playing on a sub par team, yet we still use that crutch to somehow forgive his inconsistent play. Every QB can have a bad day. They all do. None of them have their fans on pins and needles the way Winston does. And yet he’s still here, which tells me we are not moving on from Jameis Winston or we wouldn’t still be talking about it. Buckle up and get ready for a long term deal.

    I say the ball is in Bowles’ court now. Get this defense up to speed before it’s too late. This Buc offense (even with the turnovers) with a top 15 defense makes for a very dangerous opponent. As a fan, I’ll take that all day long.

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    • Nobody considers Koetter an “offensive genius”. No one. Put down the crack pipe.

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      • I said widely considered. And no, my crack pipe stays where it is lol

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  23. In all walks of life, history counts for us all and it shouldn’t be any different for Jameis. He’s got 4+ years as an NFL QB that should not be ignored.

    With that said, thanks for the Farve comparison Scott, though it was a different era of football, the comparisons are eye opening. Given that I would want a young Favre as my QB any day of the year, it’s a no-brainer and cements my belief that Jameis should be resigned.

    Licht spent a lot of draft capital on DB’s last year and they are now cutting their teeth and learning between the lines. I’m okay with that. It’s time now for Licht to spend upcoming draft capital on OL (several picks), and defensive depth in all areas.

    There has been way too much coaching philosophy change-over from year over the last 10 years. Hopefully the majority of the coaching staff remains for next year. For once, let’s see this organization give these players a continuing program rather than tearing up the blue print and starting over again!

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  24. I’m surprised by author trying to constrain Winston’s faults to the INTs (“…other than the INTs it’s all good”). That’s a ridiculous statement. For starters you have to count the fumbles, but that would be an honest depiction of the TD/turnover ratio and like the orange man, SR likes to play games with facts to advance his interests.

    Then if you were being honest you’d have to talk about him locking onto a target instead of working through his progressions, the slow windup, the erratic ball placement that hampers YAC, the inability to hit the deep ball with any consistency at all over five years…

    Yes, sure, he can sling it. It’s exciting sometimes! But it’s a 16 game season plus playoffs to get to the big game. You need to be consistent. You need to be smart with the ball. You need to limit mistakes. You need to take what the D give you and not force it. And then, once you’ve done that and it’s time to make a big play, yes, you need to make it. But your whole game can’t be about that last part while ignoring all the rest.

    I would rather get rid of them both and draft a rookie QB whose deal gives us room to address the many holes on our roster we’ll be staring at next season. But if you promise me we’ll fire Jason Bust Licht then I’d be willing to franchise Jameis for one year to extend the experiment out to a sixth year (really an eight year as Bucianco points out). But if we have both Jason Bust Licht buying the groceries and the human turnover machine at QB, we’re not going anywhere.

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    • The only person the PR staff that bothers to use analytics is Trevor, not sure what the rest of them base their opinions on these days. That’s pretty sad as I use to respect Mark and SR, but lately they make retards seem knowledgeable.

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  25. Off course how Jameis Winston finishes out 2019 will factor in more than how he performed in the past. Unless of course, the earlier showings are more in line with supporting that person’s agenda. Had Gay made the FG (Giants) and the referee not blown the whistle before the play was over (Titans), our team would be a respectable 5 dash 4 and most would be pleased that, in spite of the inopportune INT’s, the team still is competitive and “in the hunt”. No one likes the INT’s or the all too frequent fumbles by #3. But we should at least recognize the plays that excite us when deciding the fate of our five year marriage to this QB.

    Those who have the “Anybody but Jameis” mindset, must not remember the conga-line of QB’s who preceded him. Every time the signal caller failed to live up to expectations, the cries of “Next!” echoed around the bay.

    So here we are once more, contemplating whether or not we should divorce ourselves from one who has teased us with the good bedroom adventures (TD’s) yet disappointed us too often in the kitchen (INT’s). We kid ourselves into thinking there’s someone out there who is guaranteed to be a perfect match. We just can’t wait to stand at the altar just one more time. Surely after getting it wrong 20+ times with young first-time brides (draftees) and three-time divorcees (aging veterans), this next one will be the soul mate.

    Even Joe Namath wouldn’t make that guarantee. Hmmmmmmm, I wonder if he has anything left in his tank or if he’s just……tanked.

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    • Scubog Namath doesn’t get tanked anymore. What your first sentence refers to is called recency bias, which will impact Arians more than Licht.

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  26. Wouldn’t bother me if Bucs win out, don’t go to playoffs, and pick 15-18. This team needs wins, period. Have had too many loosing seasons. Like many perineal losers (Browns) multiple high picks doesn’t result in W’s. We have a good mix of veterans and youth, they need to play together under the same coaches for a few years. Add RB and OL and new GM. No I think Jameis should be evaluated based on his total career. Finally Godwin is a victim of too many top receivers in Nfl.

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  27. I think the jury is in for most of us  after 5 and 1/2 seasons.  What you see is what get.  Winston is flawed and never will rise to elite status. Arians and staff have probably brought out the best he has to offer. He will always predictably be up and down in his performance.

    With that said he has shown improvement this year in some aspects of his game.  I think Arians will stick with him believing he can build around Jameis.  I believe BA trusts Bowles to succeed in elevating the defense to a top tier consistent performance that will allow the team to become a winner.

    I’ve brought up Favre to Winston comparisons several times here in the past four years including stat comparisons.  They are similar enough but Favre had “something extra” that Winston does not have.  It is an intangible.  He demonstrated it on the field.  That extra something made football fans have the expectations Favre would find a way to pull out the win irregardless. We Buccaneer fans can’t have that kind of expectation with Winston.
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  28. The Bucs finally are strong enough to beat the Saints tomorrow if Jameis will continue staying focused and puts up over 30 points and JPP and Barret get to the Saints’ QB for a combined 3 sacks and Dean covers Thomas all game and Jones keeps running strong. That will be enough to prove the Bucs can go all the way the rest of the year. The Browns looked unbeatable in the Preseason but without their best DE the Bucs can beat them too! Raise the Flags; fire the canons, and Go Bucs!!!

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  29. Bucs should bear Saints. I want to see several this keep keep imoroving. Secondary, o line, and Winston. I don’t think Winston will ever be turnover free but with average defense and 1 or 2 max Int. per game it’s still gonna win most games with the positive stuff. Guess that’s why Bruce said he’s allowed 1 per game. Lol.

    I believe Arians when he says he doesn’t care much about last 4 years. You can also bet he’s gonna factor the shit O line play we had in several games panthers game in London won’t even factor he has no chance and was one worst o line performances I’ve seen. If they give him good time, running game average, defense average, he plays well. If he gets fh ode things and consistently doesn’t play well then time to move on. So far haven’t seen that.

    Also the Dallas comments are hysterical. They are 9-1 in there division since 2017, outside there division 6-9. They can’t beat anyone except there own shit division and Dak isn’t any good when run game doesn’t work. Last week he has decent stats without run but still lost didn’t they?

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  30. Agree on spelling edit here be nice be able edit since it’s hard to type on stupid phones. Lol

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  31. I feel like it’s choice the way he wants to evaluate Jameis the way he wants to in the end I feel that his opinion is only going to matter somewhat from only coaching him for one year. That being said no quarterback is going to succeed behind this O-line they don’t care how bad they block. This draft they need to get the best LT available in the draft and move Donovan can’t block for s**t Smith to RT, it’s time to move on from Dotson he’s getting old and his performance is showing that. For Jensen I don’t even know what to say how many times does he have to snap the ball before the QB is ready for it, that last INT I feel like is on him Jameis threw that ball out of panic so I think it’s time to look for someone new there too. We see how well Jameis can perform when he has more than a millisecond to scan and throw. We as fans want this team to succeed and we are tired of losing but no matter who we have under center they won’t succeed unless the run a 4.3 40.

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