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FAB 1. Bucs Face Franchise-Changing Decision On Winston

As Jason Licht is finding out this offseason, selecting Jameis Winston first overall in the 2015 NFL Draft was not his most monumental decision as the Tampa Bay’s general manager.

It’s actually deciding whether or not to re-sign Winston to a multi-year contract extension.

Whether or not Winston will continue to steer the Bucs’ ship will be the defining decision of Licht’s career – one that will have a lasting impact on this franchise.

This is a sink or swim moment for the Buccaneers.

If Licht and Arians don’t get this call right it could mean disaster for the Bucs, and would be up there with some of the most dubious franchise-defining decisions of all-time. This is up there with the “Doug Williams debacle” and the “Bo Jackson blunder” if Licht makes the wrong move.

Of course Licht and director of football administration Mike Greenberg could try to play it safe and go the one-year route with either the franchise tag at $27 million or the transition tag at around $25 million, but that approach has its own pitfalls. If Winston falters in yet another contract year in Tampa Bay that likely means six playoff-less seasons with him under the center.

Tagging Winston means Licht is essentially saying, “Yes” to Winston for the third time.

The first time was when Licht drafted him out of Florida State in 2015, and the second time was deciding to pick up Winston’s fifth-year option. Applying a one-year tag on Winston in 2020 would be the third time, and if that fails, Licht likely strikes out with three swings trying to hit on a franchise quarterback home run as the team’s general manager.

And when I mean strikes out, I mean Licht could be out of a job.

Head coach Bruce Arians, who would be 69 in 2021, could very well follow Licht right out the door if he can’t fix Winston’s penchant for turning the ball over with two years worth of exposure to him.

Yet if Licht and Arians are all-in on Winston after months of evaluation and debate in the halls of One Buccaneer Place and give Greenberg the green light to do a more cap-friendly multi-year extension that carries its own risk.

Even if Winston were to get a deal worth $25 million per year, that would likely come with at least $75 million in guaranteed money. Las Vegas’ Derek Carr had $70.2 million in guaranteed money in his latest deal, and San Francisco’s Jimmy Garoppolo was given $74.1 million in guaranteed money in his recent extension.

Bucs GM Jason Licht
Bucs GM Jason Licht – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR

That means the Bucs would be tied to Winston for at least the next two to three years. If Winston remains a turnover machine and falters under this scenario, it means Tampa Bay would have wasted at least seven years – nearly a decade’s worth of football – hoping he would become a franchise quarterback capable of taking the Bucs to the playoffs and contending for a Super Bowl.

It used to be that drafting a quarterback in the first round and missing, especially in the Top 10, was the death knell for NFL teams. Look no further than San Diego’s drafting of Ryan Leaf, Cincinnati’s selecting Akili Smith and St. Louis’ Sam Bradford – prior to the NFL’s rookie salary cap – for proof.

But with rookie salaries being more manageable since the rookie salary cap, it’s actually the decision to re-sign quarterbacks to second contracts that carry much more risk for general managers like Licht because of the money involved.

A total of 21 quarterbacks had salaries of $20 million or more in 2019, including six at $30 million or more. That number will swell this offseason as Kansas City’s Super Bowl MVP Patrick Mahomes and Houston’s DeShaun Watson are slated to get massive contract extensions worth between $30-$40 million.

Winston’s earnings during the first four years with the Bucs totaled $23.35 million. Now we’re talking about every year of his contract being at that amount or more.

Former Jacksonville executive vice president of football administration Tom Coughlin decided to extend the contract for turnover-prone Blake Bortles, signing him to a three-year deal worth $54 million, including $26.5 million in guaranteed money.

Notice I said former executive vice president of football administration in Jacksonville.

Bortles was cut just one year after his extension because he couldn’t stop turning the ball over and Coughlin was fired last fall. After Coughlin’s dumb decision to re-sign Bortles, he panicked and gave former Philadelphia backup and previous Super Bowl MVP Nick Foles a four-year, $88 million contract complete with $50.125 million in guarantees.

Bucs OLB Shaquil Barrett
Bucs OLB Shaquil Barrett – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR

Foles, who has a cap value of over $21.8 million in 2020, isn’t that good, and was benched in favor of rookie Gardner Minshew II, the team’s sixth-round pick. With those QB blunders it’s no surprise that the Jaguars are $3.4 million over the current 2020 salary cap and in a world of hurt from a cap perspective. Cutting Foles this year isn’t even an option, either, due to the dead money that would accelerate and hit the cap.

Moving on from Winston certainly has its risks, too.

There is evidence that quarterbacks in the second year of Arians’ system typically throw fewer interceptions and thrive. That was the case with Arizona with Carson Palmer, who expects Winston to have “a massive year” in 2020 if he returns to Tampa Bay.

And while the Bucs might have some experienced veteran options in free agency is the grass going to be greener for Arians and Licht? Plus, Winston already has a year’s worth of knowledge in Arians’ offense.

Los Angeles’ 38-year old Philip Rivers and possibly New England’s 42-year old Tom Brady are upgrades based on their career achievements, but how much do they have left in the tank before a dramatic drop off that will signal retirement? And will that sudden drop off happen this year, next year or in 2022? Nobody knows.

Does Teddy Bridgewater have the arm strength to be a fit in Arians’ vertical offense? And does he have the durability to stay healthy for 16 games?

Will the Bengals release Andy Dalton or will they hold on to him until they can acquire a draft pick for him? Would he be a good fit in Tampa Bay?

Is Ryan Tannehill’s re-signing a done deal in Tennessee, or is he an option in free agency?

Bucs QB Jameis Winston
Bucs QB Jameis Winston – Photo by: Mary Holt/PR

And perhaps most importantly, what if Winston goes elsewhere and really succeeds in 2020? That would be Licht’s worst nightmare, especially if Winston’s replacement fails to be an upgrade and gets the Bucs into the playoffs.

There isn’t an easy answer available for Licht and Arians this offseason when it comes to Winston and the starting quarterback position. That’s why this decision is taking so long and will likely extend into March. But whatever the decision is, it could cause a seismic change to this franchise – for better or for worse for years to come.

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Scott Reynolds is in his 25th year of covering the Tampa Bay Buccaneers as the vice president, publisher and senior Bucs beat writer for PewterReport.com. Author of the popular SR's Fab 5 column on Fridays, Reynolds oversees web development and forges marketing partnerships for PewterReport.com in addition to his editorial duties. A graduate of Kansas State University in 1995, Reynolds spent six years giving back to the community as the defensive line coach for his sons' Pop Warner team, the South Pasco Predators. Reynolds can be reached at: [email protected]
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drdneast

As far as your comments about McCoy, “and the guess here is that McCoy won’t return, as the team’s run defense regressed upon his arrival.” That shouldn’t surprise any of the fans in Tampa who have watched McCoy’s heartless play over the last few years. Playing run defense in the trenches is a dirty tough business in the NFL. You also stated McCoy had 2.5 sacks against the Bucs in London but failed to mention both the Bucs starting guard and tackle were out that game. With both starters playing in the first game, the Bucs won the game and… Read more »

BigSombrero

I took a lot of shit on these boards last year by calling out GMC for being a slouch and not even worth a restructured deal. I appreciate those of you actually watched the guy play and were not fooled by his likability outside the lines. He had to be cut. He was awful for his last 2 years in Tampa. I also took a lot of shit for saying the Bucs would DEFINITELY sign Donovan Smith to an extension and not get tagged. That guy is part of the solution and I’m glad he’s still in Tampa. I will… Read more »

FLBoy84

Definitely with both you and @drdneast re: McCoy. Both solid, on-point observations. Not as sold on Smith or Winston as you are BS. Believe Smith was signed to a reasonable deal that was cheaper than the tag because the Bucs simply had poorly positioned themselves to where there were no better options that financially made sense. Believe he’s an average/below average LT, yet he’s getting paid top-5 money. The talent is probably there, but the discipline to consistently maintain a high level of play definitely is not. Think I’ve made my feelings on JW abundantly clear. Guess we’ll see how… Read more »

BigSombrero

A martyr? Lol. No, I don’t feel like a martyr. I sacrifice nothing. I just make my own determinations based on the information available to me online and from watching the games. It leads me to logical conclusions on what the team will do after they review the options.

If anything, I am vindicated on many of my bold statements and that feels great, even if it is against drooling knuckle-draggers like dim-ass-bulb!

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FLBoy84

Dim-ass-bulb… lol Have to say though, he’s had a few more-lucid-than-normal posts over the past few months. Must be the meds. Just a joke about the meds Bob, nothing personal… 😉 Agree you, like others, have been correct on a few predictions, but to prop the McCoy one in particular is a stretch. Only the completely uniformed or members of the McCoy Fan Club were oblivious, though even a few of them probably could read the writing on the wall. Hell, my MOM could’ve seen that coming as a loyal Buc fan, and she passed back in 2017. 🙂 Rate… Read more »

CrackerBall

I will say that I think you’re correct about Gerald McCoy… he may be a nice guy, but did not live up to expectations here. His lack of verbal leadership (not his style) was needed – as evidenced by JPP and Suh and the subsequent improvements along the D-line. Now that’s where we have the same feelings… When it comes to Donovan Smith, we have drastically overpaid for a “meh” player with suspect effort and some heavy slow feet. I don’t care about the LT “market price” – and we still have a problem at LT. His demise comes after… Read more »

sunshineben

Big s.. just wondering … Do you pay for season tkts and or just have a man crush for Winston ? Do you honestly believe Winston could win a playoff game throwing so many pics?

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drdneast

Everybody knows Gruden is ambivalent about David Carr at best, what about a trade for him. He can certainly throw the deep ball and most importantly is a veteran.

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BigSombrero

Gruden is ambivalent about Carr because Carr was pedestrian. Very similar to Andy Dalton. Those guys are entering clipboard backup status.

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tbb345

“(On concerns for teaching the offensive system to another quarterback) “None – none at all. If that’s what it comes to, he’ll be expected to play at the level to win a championship.” It’s not what Arians said. It was how quickly and deliberately he answered the question. Watch his answer on the video.” It’s great that Arians thinks this but it’s just not the truth…the QB’s in his system have a dramatic uptick in interceptions Year 1 before improving greatly in Year 2. It’s happened everywhere he’s been. If Brady wants to come here then you get rid of… Read more »

TCB2W!

That’s not true. Cleveland he has Tim Couch. First year under Arians was 21 picks, and second year 18 picks. Offensive coordinator in 2007, Ben had 11 Ints and the next year 15 ints. I don’t call 3 less ints a dramatic drop and Big Ben actually increased his in his second year.

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BigSombrero

Reading between the lines and putting every word uttered under the microscope still supports no conclusions as to the direction the Bucs will take. Arians comments could just as easily be considered leverage on the new contract and not the “notice what he didn’t say” mantra SR kept pushing. Arians plainly stated that he would be sitting down with Licht, Leftwich, and Winston and discuss the future after they all review every snap. That is precisely what he will do. 50/50 chance? More like 80/20 and the 20 is only in existence if Winston won’t budge off his “I’m ballin’… Read more »

SDamnBuc

How incredibly bold of you sir! You heard it here first folks! Lets all congratulate BigSombrero once this news is officially announced!

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The Wall

The most important question is whether Winston can take us to a Super Bowl. Not whether we can make the playoffs. Is he ‘that’ guy? If Licht and Arians think so then they should give him one more year. It shouldn’t be about saving anyone’s job. I don’t think Winston is that guy and I would move on. As far as having to have the arm to fit into Arian’s vertical passing scheme, should that be the main consideration? I don’t remember Brady having a long distance arm or Foles for that matter. And, Arians may only be here one… Read more »

BigSombrero

Offense sells tickets and defense wins championships is the old saying.
Running the ball and stopping the run wins games is another old saying.

Can this defense win a championship? Can the Bucs hold a lead provided by any QB with the 4 minute offense and rushing attack? Can the defense get off the field when the opposing offense is running their 2 or 4 minute offense?

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FLBoy84

This offense, while good, is not selling many tickets. Even with the excitement of the arrival of BA and his offensive success, the Bucs still had their lowest avg attendance since 2010. Re: the defense, interesting snippet from an article from the Ringer prior to Wk 17: “This year, Tampa Bay was sixth in defensive DVOA (finished 5th) and eighth in yards allowed per play (tied for 6th); their defense was legitimately good. But they allowed more points than 29 NFL teams because Winston’s six (7) pick-sixes gave opposing teams 42 (49) free points, and his 33 (35) total turnovers… Read more »

awwdembucs

FL B I Absolutely Agree about the pick sixes. They are demoralizing. And have been a reason for many losses over Winston time here.His first pass of his NFL career was a six and last pass in 19 was also. I have read he has to squint to see. Maybe he should get glasses because some of his throws are just mind boggling.

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FLBoy84

Found it baffling when BA even admitted in one of his last pressers that JW is near-sighted. Says he occasionally wears goggles in practice, but that was it. To be fair, don’t think that’s the reason for the turnover issue (believe it’s more of a mentality thing), but it sure as hell isn’t helping anything.

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IDGABuc

Man I had been waiting on someone to point out that Winston has to squint to see downfield for years now! I thought when his head coach finally admitted it they’d ask (force) him to get Lasik or contacts though (Or cut him) so I am still disappointed..I mean, it’s obvious to anyone who has watched him play that he can’t see far at all when looking downfield! Every time he does look deep (which is beyond 5yds for him) he squints like he’s looking straight into the sun.. As it goes supernova! I think it’s insane that BA finally… Read more »

The Wall

Great take!

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FLBoy84

I added the info in parenthesis to show final rankings/numbers.

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scot pederson

Did I not miss in the article a 3rd option of just replacing him with a #1 pick or a good F Agent? In looking at C.Palmer his 1st year with Arians his picks went up and so did his Sack Ratio which exploded. Dont know if it was a faulty Oline or they had no one to stretch the field like Arians prefers. So in 2014 they got Speedy John Brown who stretches the field and Palmer’s sack ratio and int ratio both plummeted. With Jay-miss he has had a high sack ratio since his 2nd year and its… Read more »

cgmaster27

At times yes jameis does hold the ball too long, but this offensive line has been just average for years. You forget a whole year of watching caleb benenoch literally looking for someone to block. Blaming every sack om jameis is short sighted and just stupid. But i expect that when it comes to jameis on most boards.

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chefboho

Agreed CG. Not to mention for the last three years Jameis has been playing with Koetter and Arians who are known for nonstop 5-7 step drop back passes. Their QB’s in either of those systems have been known to get sacked a lot. Matt Ryan took a beating this year. Just look who his coordinator was. Yes, Jameis takes a lot of sacks that are on him as well. He does hold the ball too long at times but when your scheme is long developing routes and you have a sub par oline, you’re going to get your ass kicked… Read more »

FLBoy84

One of the biggest flaws with Winston imo, is his reluctance/refusal to throw the ball away when the play’s not there and move on to the next down. Some interesting stats per PFR: 17 int’s came on 1st or 2nd down; 23-27 int’s came inside the Bucs own 50 yd line (chart shows 27 but their math doesn’t add up); 19 int’s came within the first 3 QTR’s (with 10 in both the 1st & 4th QTR); 16 int’s in the 1st half; Only 6 picks when trailing with < 4 mins to go; Only 1 int when using play-action;… Read more »

chefboho

I can’t argue with you there. I know on several occasions I’ve been seen yelling at my tv, “just throw the damn ball away!!” Lol

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Horse

Is this really this tough of a decision?
I think at this point we have to remove the words “hope Winston can change” and ask “is Winston really ever going to change”.

I believe there’s already enough data and information two already Cavs the GM in the Coach their answer.

My experience in life is usually change is better than not.

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to have

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Sorry I should have reviewed my comments closer.
” I believe there already is enough data available for the GM and the Coach to make their decision”.

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BUC-ASS-BOB

If IF IF IF IF If 5 times they said if can fix Winston 5 years is not long enough for slow learners
Learning impaired to understand!
IF IF IF IF If Arians the QB whisperer can fix Jameis Winston
IF IF IF IF IF 30 Ints does not answer the question ?????

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BigSombrero

dim-ass-bulb

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BUC-ASS-BOB

Why would this clown in hat what to lose rather than change the QB
This is the same clown in the hat that wanted Winston over Brady.

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BigSombrero

How many superbowls did Joe Montana win in Kansas City?

How many superbowls did Brett Favre win with Minnesota?

How many superbowls did Kurt Warner win with Arizona?

How many superbowls did Jim McMahon, Nick Foles, Joe Flacco win with their new team?

How many QB’s won a superbowl with a new team after age 38 like Rivers will be?

How many of those QBs were going to be 43 with their new team like Brady?

Your light bulb is getting dimmer and dimmer…

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BUC-ASS-BOB

How was Payton in Denver?
How many Superbowls did Jameis win?
How many playoff games did Jameis win?

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BigSombrero

I’m running so many circles around you, you’re probably getting dizzy. Just sit down and put a cold compress on your head. It will be ok.

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BigSombrero

Babe Ruth lead the American League in strikeouts for 5 years. He was known as the “King of Strikeouts” and was given permission to fail as he swung for the fences. That is who Jameis Winston is in Bruce Arians offense in my opinion.

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FLBoy84

LOL… Babe Ruth. Think you might be wildly overestimating the whole BA/Winston love-fest just a bit. As much as the media likes to play up their history (the whole football camp thing) and BA’s comments about Winston prior to/when arriving in Tampa, the two really didn’t have any sort of close relationship prior to BA’s arrival. And while BA has praised Winston, he has also said PLENTY of complimentary and endearing things about other QB’s, including both Rivers and Bridgewater. Also believe he probably feels he could have similar success with a quarterback who understands the difference between a calculated… Read more »

BigSombrero

I 100% believe Arians when he says, “If we can win with this QB, we can win with another QB.” It’s not that I have blind loyalty to Winston, nor do I believe Arians or Licht do either. It’s that he gives the Bucs the best chance to win now. Arians was also quoted as saying Winston has one of the best deep balls in the NFL contrary to his reputation before Arians arrival. Winston has a strong work ethic. A new QB will have the same growing pains Winston, Luck, Palmer, and Rothlisberger had in their first year in… Read more »

twspin

I’m still torn Scott. Do/don’t/will/won’t! If push comes to shove, I say franchise him for one yr. Then decide after his performance this upcoming year. Been a Bucs fan for a white and I still remember Culverhouse refusing to pay Doug Williams. And it really was not that much. So Doug just..quietly went over to them Redskins and won a superbowl. That along with the Bo’Jackson screwup is something our Bucs will never erase. Is Jameis a..late bloomer? Can he correct himself? One more year. Lets see.

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Dman

I’ve been a consistent Jamies support, but I can’t see giving him a multi-year deal with guaranteed money that hurts the franchise past next season if he’s still the same guy and we decide to cut him loose. The $70+ million Scott mentions and $50+ million @BiGsombrerO talks about are non-starters. It may tick Jameis off, but bottom line he just hasn’t earned it. Our risk is he lights it up and decides to leave since he feels disrespected. Otherwise, he proves he’s matured enough to play at a championship level we pay him what he’s earned. Tag him. Make… Read more »

martinii

Just a few observations. 1)Big changes to game since 93. 2) Take Licht totally out of the conversation. He can’t throw, Block, or tackle so BA puts little faith in what Licht thinks. 3) BA speaks before he thinks so any info from his last Presser is strictly BS and unreliable. 4) The reason they are tight-lipped about Jameis is because NO ONE including BA has a remote idea how this offseason is going to develop. 5) Where was Winston’s Mentor during his rookie year? Other than Fitz and a few has-beens on the sidelines who introduced him to the… Read more »

FLBoy84

Agree that the “dropped interceptions” thing, if true, was interesting, though every QB in the league has some of those. Would be REALLY interesting to see that comparison data though. And it’s FIVE losing season’s btw. Frustrating a bit that just last off-season, so many of us were saying “It’s a contract year, let’s give JW a year with BA to see if he can be fixed and if not, we move on”. The year’s come and gone and yet many are still reluctant to move on. To be fair, there are no guarantees a new QB will lead us… Read more »

BigSombrero

What about the 5 or 6 dropped touchdown passes that happened right BEFORE Winston threw a pick on the next play?

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FLBoy84

Know you’re trying to defend JW BS, but according to NFL.com (I’m starting to question PFR’s accuracy of certain things), JW only threw 6 picks inside the opponents 50yd line and only 1 redzone pick. So you’re saying that there were dropped TD passes before practically every pick that was thrown in standard TD range? Winston only threw 7 TD’s on attempts of 31+yds btw.

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BigSombrero

Pardon me. I misstated. Touchdowns OR first downs. Didn’t you watch the games? OJ, Perriman, Tanner Hudson twice, Scotty Miller, Evans all had drops that would have resulted in a big first down or a touchdown and the very next play, Winston was forced to go back to the well and was picked off. When Winston has a meltdown game, its abysmally bad, but all QB’s worth a darn have them. Im not defending the 2nd 2019 Carolina game or the Bengal game from 2018. I am going to purchase game pass to watch the games again and live the… Read more »

FLBoy84

Not strange at all. You’re the only one who’s looking for every vague excuse you can possibly find to defend Winston. Not that hard to understand. It’s OK to be a JW apologist bro, no need to feel defensive about it. He’s your guy, we all understand that. No worries, it’s cool. Wear that [email protected] with pride man. And also agree, every QB has a bad game now and then, just as every QB has receivers who drop 1st downs or TD’s. That’s not just a JW thing. Going back and finding those isn’t going to change the fact that… Read more »

SenileSenior

Is Winston fixable? No.  He has a fundamental flaw.  After five years you can come to no other conclusion. With all of his talent, all of his capability that flaw prevents him from rising to elite status. He could lead us to the playoffs, almost in spite of himself. He could even lead us to the Super Bowl.  Is he likely to actually win multiple Super Bowls? No.  You need to perform at a sustained level of quality to pull that off. Therefore any decision to retain Winston has to be a stop-gap effort while you finish building a championship calibre team. … Read more »

surferdudes

So Mahomes won league MVP, and SB MVP in his second year as a starter, but we need to see if Jameis can cut his turnovers down going into year six? As Scott said, Mahomes, and Watson are due big pay days coming off their rookie contracts. They’ll make between 30, 40 million a year, and I doubt there’s one fan who thinks paying either one of them is a mistake. I’d bet there’s 30 other GM’s who would agree they’re worth every penny. That’s how you know you have a franchise QB. The fact that we’re debating whether to… Read more »

bucballer

Heart says give Jameis one more year in BA’s system with a Franchise Tag. But my head says nope… no way. The sooner we move on the better. I just don’t feel… based on the last 5 years… that Jameis is the best QB for this team. We have other players who r getting older now and they deserve a chance at succcess. I no longer feel that Jameis will lead us to that success. Look at the empty seats! Go get the best QB available that best fits our needs and then draft a young talent that may be… Read more »

e

Finally, Jameis has an emerging defense with some O-line help coming in the draft (I hope). If he is coached to pull down and run as opposed to trying desperation heaves, as well as staring down receivers, he’s gonna cut down on the ints. We’ve come this far. Let’s take it the rest of the way and not have yet another Doug Williams/Steve Young outcome. The NFC South is finally starting to ease up with retirement and superstars getting old. It’s the Bucs time.

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skullandcrossbones

if the BUCS are going to move on from Winston, Rivers is the best candidate. The BUCS can draft a QB to learn for a year or two. They should draft one whether Winston stays or goes.

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Just one simple question for everyone – name me one above average quarterback who for five years threw too many interceptions, then reduced it to acceptable levels. We have gone down this path before – his name was Vinny Testaverde. He never quite got the interceptions under control. He had a long career and when not asked to do too much, he was fairly successful (Baltimore for example, but then they drafted Flacco and with the same team went to the Super Bowl a few years later). In the case of the GM, he is probably pretty safe dumping Winston… Read more »

BigSombrero

This is a super easy question to answer and I’m not even as versed as new beat writer Jon Ledyard! When comparing their first 5 years, the immediate answer is Ben Rothisberger. Ben had 1905 passing attempts and was intercepted 69 times. That is an INT % of 3.62%. Ben was sacked 192 times. Winston has 2548 passing attempts and was intercepted 88 times. That is an INT % of 3.45%. WInston has been sacked 169 times(23 less times than Ben) on 643 MORE PASSING ATTEMPTS. Very simple question deserved a very simple answer sir. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RoetBe00.htm Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb… Read more »

BigSombrero

Gosh dawgit, I forgot to include Ben’s career INT % now. 2.6%

It is 100% possible for Winston to get better, just like Ben did.

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BigSombrero

Dag nabit. Forgot one last thing that makes this such a great comparison: They both ran a system that featured deep passes to talented WR’s, play action, and lots of 5 and 7 step drops. Bruce Arians was the OC and ran the same offense there that he did here.

Do you agree that it’s possible Winston could win if he had the same defense and rushing attack Pittsburgh had? His personal stats are already better in his first 5 years.

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Buc stops here

Well, I appreciate that answer. Never thought of him. Guess it may be possible – we will see if Arians agrees.

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Horse

Did any of these quarterbacks help the Bucs to the playoffs?

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We can signed Bridgewater for about 12-15 million for five years and 30 million guaranteed. He’s safe QB and that’s all we need to make it back to the Super Bowl. He throws deep enough especially since our receivers have improved their YAC.

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Buc stops here

Agree, but he has to become available – there is no certainty yet that New Orleans won’t resign him. It all depends if Brees retires or not. If not, then the window of opportunity opens on him as well.

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stlbucsfan

Whatever the Bucs decide they better structure Jameis’ contract in a way that he can exit stage left with Licht after next season if this thing blows up like I expect next year. If there’s a better side to Jameis it’s clear we don’t have the mental fortitude in the front office to assemble a team that can win with Jameis. Until we find a team that can run to limit the passes Jameis has to throw he will continue to be up and down. He can flourish in a play action offense with a legit threat of the run… Read more »

Austin Williams

It isn’t hard to figure out about Arian’s comments on Winston. They are in negotiations with him and his agent, the last thing you want to do is talk him up and let them know how bad you want him back. Low ball him and get a high incentive, team friendly deal. The art of negotiation.

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DMIbucs98

Pewter Report: Jameis Winston To Resign, Not Resign Poster #1: 5yr Loser Poster #2: 1st yr in the system. He’ll do better Poster #3: Too turnover prone Poster #4: Never had a team around him Poster #5: I give up on him Poster #6: 5000+ yrds 33 Tds Poster #7 ANDY DALTON!! And So On I know this is a hot topic and it’s about the most critical position. But it’s the same stuff over and over. Same coverage about mostly to resign and reasons why. Same debates among us that could be copy and paste from previous post. Let’s… Read more »

FLBoy84

Well stated DM, though gotta ask… are you allergic to the letter “k”? 🙂

Guilty as charged re: the JW eval overkill. Apologies, know most are probably over reading about it practically every day. Definitely looking forward to more FA/Draft talk and articles. I’m sure they’re in the works.

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martinii

I’ll admit my posts are pretty redundant. In a few weeks we have the combine and next month FA, Franchise tags, etc. My comment about BA and Licht having no idea as to the solution to the Winston dilemma was simply a metaphor describing the absolute silence we are getting on the subject. In a few weeks hopefully the preseason will provide more answers for better conversations.

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FLBoy84

We had an OJ Howard discussion in the latest podcast comment section if you’re interested there DM… 🙂

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thewbacca

One other dominant championship trait: Those teams get a first round bye and usually have deep home field advantage. Split the difference on the 6 losses by 1 score and this team is 10-6 and hoping for a wild card. It can be done, and has – but usually isn’t.

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vtrantb

I remember that KC opener. They ran out of ice at halftime.

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FLBoy84

Was at a home-opener a few years ago when they ran out of food at more than a few concessions, at least on the 3rd level. Believe that was the final year for that vendor contract… lol

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scubog

I just have a hard time believing that the Bucs will outright release Winston with no viable QB to replace him in hand. I sure don’t think Brady or Rivers are “viable” at this point of their careers. Is it possible that the team would resign former first round pick QB Blaine Gabbert as the stop-gap and draft a QB at #14? I see no way that Pre-Season star QB Ryan Griffin would be called on to do a Jerry Golstyne impersonation.

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Dman

Gabbert is horrible… has never played well anywhere that he’s been. I don’t even like him as a back-up, just knows BA’s system. I’ll take Ryan Griffin all day long.

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FLBoy84

All day? I like Griffin too, but based on what? Granted he’s played pretty well in preseason, but he’s only faced a regular season D once as an in-game replacement. Completely different when a team game plans and schemes against you and the offense vs what they throw out there in preseason. Had someone tell me the other day he’s sees no difference between Griffin and Cousins, Goff, and Tannehill. While none of those guys are world-beaters, just blindly having faith in Griffin over guys that have 93, 54, and 100 games under their belt PLUS playoff experience isn’t really… Read more »

Dman

When it comes to Griff vs. Gabbert, Griff is the easy choice.

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FLBoy84

Agreed, if only for the fact that Griffin is still a bit of an unknown just due to a lack of regular season action at this point. Not sure we’d want him starting a full-season, but there are definitely worse options out there for sure. Gabbert’s 6.1yd/avg, 3.2%TD/3.1%INT ratio, and 71.7 career rating are downright fugly. Has only played in 56 career games in 9 years. Amazing to consider he was drafted #10 overall back in 2011. Major miss who was followed up by Blake Bortles, who was sadly drafted #3 overall in 2014. Gotta feel for those Jax fans… Read more »

FLBoy84

Baffled by how many feel Rivers or Brady aren’t “viable” strictly due to their age, without having any info to back up that train of thought other than “perception”. If either QB had shown a sustained decline, that mindset would be understandable. However, a study of their stats shows that’s not the case with either QB. While not perfect fits due to arm strength, believe BA, Leftwich and Rivers/Brady could devise a plan that takes advantage of their skills while keeping the concepts similar. Beyond the stats though, their knowledge alone gained through 16+ years each in the league is… Read more »

FLBoy84

While not true in every case, have to think that some of these young QB’s that fail to develop might’ve been helped with a bit more time on the bench initially like Mahomes. Having that time to learn how to read NFL defenses, make adjustments, lead a team of adult men, even just how to become an NFL pro on/off the field while not under game prep pressure every week is invaluable imo. The new CBA restrictions made things even harder to develop players at all positions, which many players/coaches/FO’s agree is the case. Obviously some QB’s are just over-drafted… Read more »

Horse

Scubog; what’s your thoughts on Bridgewater?

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scubog

Horse: I really liked him coming out of college and wasn’t surprised by his early success with the Vikings. While I think he’s the perfect follow-up to Drew Brees, I’m not so sure he’s the right QB for this offense. Having said that, at this point in their careers I’d prefer him over the other potentially available QB’s often mentioned, including Rivers or Brady. He sure looked good against us.

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Horse

Thank you for the comments. Whatever happens I’ll support it.
Go Bucs!

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awwdembucs

Bucs find the next Mahomes . Yea not likely. The NFL is changing to very mobile QB’S. The day’s of stand tall in the pocket are coming to a end. A defense has to spy on a QB that can make play’s with his legs. Most teams in the playoffs had just that.

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Alldaway 2.0

Too much emphasis on QB position.

Arians made it clear that he wants to continue to build the defense.

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fredster

I am fine with moving on from Winston if they come up with better option. Rivers would be a disaster and would throw 20 plus int. In this system and he wouldn’t have as many points or TD’s due to lack mobility. He is one dimensional player especially at 38. He doesn’t win big games despite being on many good times going on two decades! He is 4-4 in playoffs and never advanced to super bowl. Assuming Brady’s arm is even good enough anymore, Brady is 43! Break the bank to give him a year or two here and away… Read more »

BigSombrero

Well said Fredster.

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Johnny Cannons

I just don’t know with Jameis. I can see every side of the argument and am going to continue subscribing to ‘Jameis Estrangement Syndrome’ (I stay away from thinking about it too much until the experts have made their decision). I do agree that the outcome will portend “seismic change” for this franchise, and I also think the upcoming CBA is going to add an interesting factor to the mix. If we weren’t so close to a new CBA, I’d be more hestitant about wanting to employ a tag. On the flip side of that, though, if he plays well… Read more »

martinii

Search Archives « Ronald Jones Says He Has Just One Season GoalChris Godwin Top-20 » “Leverage” February 8th, 2020 Holding the hammer. A guy who shares the same surname as the ownership group that controls the Bucs (but is not related), suggests if the Bucs keep Mr. Entertainment, America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, Jameis would return on Team Glazer’s terms. In other words, Team Glazer can squeeze Jameis. There is a glut of quarterbacks on the market, not counting players in the draft. As a result, Jay Glazer of The Athletic reminds Bucs fans in an NFL question/answer feature… Read more »

Alldaway 2.0

Winston will only be back on the Bucs terms with a cap friendly deal. Anything else and Arians will continue with the plan of building up the defense with Bowles help and keep adding offensive weapons (eg WR and RB) while shoring up the trenches. This is a cap decision and has nothing to do with stats that people are citing. Winston asking $30 million per year? Bucs are moving on. Anything less than that and the Bucs will negotiate with Winston’s camp. Team Glazer would like Winston to come back on a cap friendly deal. This is because Arians… Read more »

Spitfire

I am honestly at the point that I am fine with whatever they decide to do. If we shore up the Oline, add another RB, resign Dline, add a Secondary Vet, we are gonna be solid. Evaluate the QB position, decide what gives us the best chance to win, maybe look at the playbook and make it not so hard to bring to life and let’s make opponents hate their life for 60 minutes at a time.

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Alldaway 2.0

I feel the same way.

To me the Bucs have drat picks and cap space to improve the overall team. While the QB decision is important it should not overshadow the opportunities the Bucs can have by shoring up the trenches adding a RB, WR and a veteran safety.

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Pete

So since this is a Winston topic? Any news if he really had eye surgery.

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AlbJack65

One aspect of Winston’s game, besides the turnovers obviously, that no QB coach has ever cleaned up is his play action fakes. He just doesn’t “sell” the fake handoff well enough. If he did a better job of this,(Favre was very good at it) I believe he could “freeze” the linebackers and safeties a split second longer, thus opening the throwing lanes a little wider, especially on timing routes, and quite possibly reduce his INT’s. Just my thoughts on his mechanics.

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