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FAB 1. Bucs Face Franchise-Changing Decision On Winston

As Jason Licht is finding out this offseason, selecting Jameis Winston first overall in the 2015 NFL Draft was not his most monumental decision as the Tampa Bay’s general manager.

It’s actually deciding whether or not to re-sign Winston to a multi-year contract extension.

Whether or not Winston will continue to steer the Bucs’ ship will be the defining decision of Licht’s career – one that will have a lasting impact on this franchise.

This is a sink or swim moment for the Buccaneers.

If Licht and Arians don’t get this call right it could mean disaster for the Bucs, and would be up there with some of the most dubious franchise-defining decisions of all-time. This is up there with the “Doug Williams debacle” and the “Bo Jackson blunder” if Licht makes the wrong move.

Of course Licht and director of football administration Mike Greenberg could try to play it safe and go the one-year route with either the franchise tag at $27 million or the transition tag at around $25 million, but that approach has its own pitfalls. If Winston falters in yet another contract year in Tampa Bay that likely means six playoff-less seasons with him under the center.

Tagging Winston means Licht is essentially saying, “Yes” to Winston for the third time.

The first time was when Licht drafted him out of Florida State in 2015, and the second time was deciding to pick up Winston’s fifth-year option. Applying a one-year tag on Winston in 2020 would be the third time, and if that fails, Licht likely strikes out with three swings trying to hit on a franchise quarterback home run as the team’s general manager.

And when I mean strikes out, I mean Licht could be out of a job.

Head coach Bruce Arians, who would be 69 in 2021, could very well follow Licht right out the door if he can’t fix Winston’s penchant for turning the ball over with two years worth of exposure to him.

Yet if Licht and Arians are all-in on Winston after months of evaluation and debate in the halls of One Buccaneer Place and give Greenberg the green light to do a more cap-friendly multi-year extension that carries its own risk.

Even if Winston were to get a deal worth $25 million per year, that would likely come with at least $75 million in guaranteed money. Las Vegas’ Derek Carr had $70.2 million in guaranteed money in his latest deal, and San Francisco’s Jimmy Garoppolo was given $74.1 million in guaranteed money in his recent extension.

Bucs GM Jason Licht
Bucs GM Jason Licht – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR

That means the Bucs would be tied to Winston for at least the next two to three years. If Winston remains a turnover machine and falters under this scenario, it means Tampa Bay would have wasted at least seven years – nearly a decade’s worth of football – hoping he would become a franchise quarterback capable of taking the Bucs to the playoffs and contending for a Super Bowl.

It used to be that drafting a quarterback in the first round and missing, especially in the Top 10, was the death knell for NFL teams. Look no further than San Diego’s drafting of Ryan Leaf, Cincinnati’s selecting Akili Smith and St. Louis’ Sam Bradford – prior to the NFL’s rookie salary cap – for proof.

But with rookie salaries being more manageable since the rookie salary cap, it’s actually the decision to re-sign quarterbacks to second contracts that carry much more risk for general managers like Licht because of the money involved.

A total of 21 quarterbacks had salaries of $20 million or more in 2019, including six at $30 million or more. That number will swell this offseason as Kansas City’s Super Bowl MVP Patrick Mahomes and Houston’s DeShaun Watson are slated to get massive contract extensions worth between $30-$40 million.

Winston’s earnings during the first four years with the Bucs totaled $23.35 million. Now we’re talking about every year of his contract being at that amount or more.

Former Jacksonville executive vice president of football administration Tom Coughlin decided to extend the contract for turnover-prone Blake Bortles, signing him to a three-year deal worth $54 million, including $26.5 million in guaranteed money.

Notice I said former executive vice president of football administration in Jacksonville.

Bortles was cut just one year after his extension because he couldn’t stop turning the ball over and Coughlin was fired last fall. After Coughlin’s dumb decision to re-sign Bortles, he panicked and gave former Philadelphia backup and previous Super Bowl MVP Nick Foles a four-year, $88 million contract complete with $50.125 million in guarantees.

Bucs OLB Shaquil Barrett
Bucs OLB Shaquil Barrett – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR

Foles, who has a cap value of over $21.8 million in 2020, isn’t that good, and was benched in favor of rookie Gardner Minshew II, the team’s sixth-round pick. With those QB blunders it’s no surprise that the Jaguars are $3.4 million over the current 2020 salary cap and in a world of hurt from a cap perspective. Cutting Foles this year isn’t even an option, either, due to the dead money that would accelerate and hit the cap.

Moving on from Winston certainly has its risks, too.

There is evidence that quarterbacks in the second year of Arians’ system typically throw fewer interceptions and thrive. That was the case with Arizona with Carson Palmer, who expects Winston to have “a massive year” in 2020 if he returns to Tampa Bay.

And while the Bucs might have some experienced veteran options in free agency is the grass going to be greener for Arians and Licht? Plus, Winston already has a year’s worth of knowledge in Arians’ offense.

Los Angeles’ 38-year old Philip Rivers and possibly New England’s 42-year old Tom Brady are upgrades based on their career achievements, but how much do they have left in the tank before a dramatic drop off that will signal retirement? And will that sudden drop off happen this year, next year or in 2022? Nobody knows.

Does Teddy Bridgewater have the arm strength to be a fit in Arians’ vertical offense? And does he have the durability to stay healthy for 16 games?

Will the Bengals release Andy Dalton or will they hold on to him until they can acquire a draft pick for him? Would he be a good fit in Tampa Bay?

Is Ryan Tannehill’s re-signing a done deal in Tennessee, or is he an option in free agency?

Bucs QB Jameis Winston
Bucs QB Jameis Winston – Photo by: Mary Holt/PR

And perhaps most importantly, what if Winston goes elsewhere and really succeeds in 2020? That would be Licht’s worst nightmare, especially if Winston’s replacement fails to be an upgrade and gets the Bucs into the playoffs.

There isn’t an easy answer available for Licht and Arians this offseason when it comes to Winston and the starting quarterback position. That’s why this decision is taking so long and will likely extend into March. But whatever the decision is, it could cause a seismic change to this franchise – for better or for worse for years to come.

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Scott Reynolds is in his 24th year of covering the Tampa Bay Buccaneers as the vice president, publisher and senior Bucs beat writer for PewterReport.com. Author of the popular SR's Fab 5 column on Fridays, Reynolds oversees web development and forges marketing partnerships for PewterReport.com in addition to his editorial duties. A graduate of Kansas State University in 1995, Reynolds spent six years giving back to the community as the defensive line coach for his son's Pop Warner team, the South Pasco Predators. Reynolds can be reached at: [email protected]

89 COMMENTS

  1. As far as your comments about McCoy, “and the guess here is that McCoy won’t return, as the team’s run defense regressed upon his arrival.”
    That shouldn’t surprise any of the fans in Tampa who have watched McCoy’s heartless play over the last few years.
    Playing run defense in the trenches is a dirty tough business in the NFL.
    You also stated McCoy had 2.5 sacks against the Bucs in London but failed to mention both the Bucs starting guard and tackle were out that game. With both starters playing in the first game, the Bucs won the game and I don’t think they gave up a sack against him.
    I believe Arians spotted McCoy as being one of those players who was only playing the game to further their financial status and really had no interest in if the team won or lost. That’s why he got cut.

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    • I took a lot of shit on these boards last year by calling out GMC for being a slouch and not even worth a restructured deal. I appreciate those of you actually watched the guy play and were not fooled by his likability outside the lines. He had to be cut. He was awful for his last 2 years in Tampa.

      I also took a lot of shit for saying the Bucs would DEFINITELY sign Donovan Smith to an extension and not get tagged. That guy is part of the solution and I’m glad he’s still in Tampa.

      I will continue to take shit this year as I predict the high likelyhood that Winston gets signed to a 3 or 4 year deal in March with plenty of protections and incentives and only 2 years guaranteed. He was money in so many spots. The kicker, the defensive backs, the WR injuries, the refs, the new system and coaches, and the broken thumb all contributed to the 9 losses. That will be crystal frickin clear when they go back and count the ways they lost.

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      • Definitely with both you and @drdneast re: McCoy. Both solid, on-point observations. Not as sold on Smith or Winston as you are BS. Believe Smith was signed to a reasonable deal that was cheaper than the tag because the Bucs simply had poorly positioned themselves to where there were no better options that financially made sense. Believe he’s an average/below average LT, yet he’s getting paid top-5 money. The talent is probably there, but the discipline to consistently maintain a high level of play definitely is not. Think I’ve made my feelings on JW abundantly clear. Guess we’ll see how his situation resolves itself in a month or so. Btw, you’re not a martyr like you sometimes like to portray yourself as being simply because you support a player many are against. You’re just another misguided fan… lol 😉

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        • A martyr? Lol. No, I don’t feel like a martyr. I sacrifice nothing. I just make my own determinations based on the information available to me online and from watching the games. It leads me to logical conclusions on what the team will do after they review the options.

          If anything, I am vindicated on many of my bold statements and that feels great, even if it is against drooling knuckle-draggers like dim-ass-bulb!

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          • Dim-ass-bulb… lol Have to say though, he’s had a few more-lucid-than-normal posts over the past few months. Must be the meds. Just a joke about the meds Bob, nothing personal… 😉 Agree you, like others, have been correct on a few predictions, but to prop the McCoy one in particular is a stretch. Only the completely uniformed or members of the McCoy Fan Club were oblivious, though even a few of them probably could read the writing on the wall. Hell, my MOM could’ve seen that coming as a loyal Buc fan, and she passed back in 2017. 🙂

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          • I will say that I think you’re correct about Gerald McCoy… he may be a nice guy, but did not live up to expectations here. His lack of verbal leadership (not his style) was needed – as evidenced by JPP and Suh and the subsequent improvements along the D-line.

            Now that’s where we have the same feelings…

            When it comes to Donovan Smith, we have drastically overpaid for a “meh” player with suspect effort and some heavy slow feet. I don’t care about the LT “market price” – and we still have a problem at LT. His demise comes after next season, when the guaranteed portion of salary is over.

            We also disagree about Jameis Winston. His turnovers directly led to 112 opponent points – a team can never overcome a figure like that. Let him go test the market… if there is one. We have a good rising DEF now and don’t need to throw the ball 626 times to have any chance of winning. A QB that won’t turn the ball over as much, even if he isn’t quite as dynamic, would be a far better call now. Use the resources (both Salary Cap and Draft) to build the rest of the team and wish Jameis well elsewhere (which I hope would be somewhere else in the NFC South).

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          • Big s.. just wondering … Do you pay for season tkts and or just have a man crush for Winston ? Do you honestly believe Winston could win a playoff game throwing so many pics?

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  2. Everybody knows Gruden is ambivalent about David Carr at best, what about a trade for him. He can certainly throw the deep ball and most importantly is a veteran.

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    • Gruden is ambivalent about Carr because Carr was pedestrian. Very similar to Andy Dalton. Those guys are entering clipboard backup status.

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  3. “(On concerns for teaching the offensive system to another quarterback)
    “None – none at all. If that’s what it comes to, he’ll be expected to play at the level to win a championship.”

    It’s not what Arians said. It was how quickly and deliberately he answered the question. Watch his answer on the video.”

    It’s great that Arians thinks this but it’s just not the truth…the QB’s in his system have a dramatic uptick in interceptions Year 1 before improving greatly in Year 2. It’s happened everywhere he’s been.

    If Brady wants to come here then you get rid of Jameis, you give TB12 a 2-3 year contract and draft a replacement in the 2nd or 3rd round. That’s a no-brainer. Excitement for the team and ticket sales would go up dramatically.

    However, bringing in Rivers would be such a monumentally short sighted and stupid decision that I would have to really question this whole regime’s thought process and my ability to root for a team run by them. He’s old, incredibly turnover prone (Jameis’s INT total and INT % took a dramatic jump this year with Arians; it’s a legitimate question to wonder if Rivers would throw for 30 INT’s too) and will likely cost just as much as a Franchise Tag for Jameis would. What exactly is the point? What’s the upside there?
    Best case scenario we have a QB who performed well and may have one more year left in him. Worst case scenario, we just wasted a year of potential development on a dinosaur and are back at square one. Except it’s actually worse than square one because the brain trust in place will refuse to tank so we’re on the treadmill of mediocrity for at least another year. It’s depressing to even think about

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    • @tbb345

      That’s not true. Cleveland he has Tim Couch. First year under Arians was 21 picks, and second year 18 picks. Offensive coordinator in 2007, Ben had 11 Ints and the next year 15 ints. I don’t call 3 less ints a dramatic drop and Big Ben actually increased his in his second year.

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  4. Reading between the lines and putting every word uttered under the microscope still supports no conclusions as to the direction the Bucs will take. Arians comments could just as easily be considered leverage on the new contract and not the “notice what he didn’t say” mantra SR kept pushing. Arians plainly stated that he would be sitting down with Licht, Leftwich, and Winston and discuss the future after they all review every snap. That is precisely what he will do.

    50/50 chance? More like 80/20 and the 20 is only in existence if Winston won’t budge off his “I’m ballin’ out” long term high pay demands. The fear of Winston succeeding in Pittsburgh, Indianapolis, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Atlanta, or Carolina will outweigh the risk of Rivers, Brady, Bridgewater, or a rookie learning the system and developing rapport while leading the team to the playoffs in 2020.

    Since we’re reading tea leaves, I will lean on my instincts like I did last year with Gerald “Coach-Killa” McCoy getting flat out cut:

    Bucs and Winston meet in the middle. 4 year contract with $56 million guaranteed at $28m/year with team protections against any character related incident. Incentives for wins, giveaways, and playoffs can push the contract to $34 million. Voidable after 2 years without cap ramifications. They will not use the tags.

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    • How incredibly bold of you sir! You heard it here first folks! Lets all congratulate BigSombrero once this news is officially announced!

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  5. The most important question is whether Winston can take us to a Super Bowl. Not whether we can make the playoffs. Is he ‘that’ guy? If Licht and Arians think so then they should give him one more year. It shouldn’t be about saving anyone’s job. I don’t think Winston is that guy and I would move on.
    As far as having to have the arm to fit into Arian’s vertical passing scheme, should that be the main consideration? I don’t remember Brady having a long distance arm or Foles for that matter. And, Arians may only be here one more year anyway.

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    • Offense sells tickets and defense wins championships is the old saying.
      Running the ball and stopping the run wins games is another old saying.

      Can this defense win a championship? Can the Bucs hold a lead provided by any QB with the 4 minute offense and rushing attack? Can the defense get off the field when the opposing offense is running their 2 or 4 minute offense?

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      • This offense, while good, is not selling many tickets. Even with the excitement of the arrival of BA and his offensive success, the Bucs still had their lowest avg attendance since 2010. Re: the defense, interesting snippet from an article from the Ringer prior to Wk 17: “This year, Tampa Bay was sixth in defensive DVOA (finished 5th) and eighth in yards allowed per play (tied for 6th); their defense was legitimately good. But they allowed more points than 29 NFL teams because Winston’s six (7) pick-sixes gave opposing teams 42 (49) free points, and his 33 (35) total turnovers gave opposing teams the second-best starting field position of any team’s opponents. Let’s be clear about that: The Buccaneers have a top-10 defense…”. Don’t necessarily agree with all the points they make in the full article, but very interesting read regardless. Be warned though, it’s not kind to Winston.
        https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2019/12/26/21038046/jameis-winston-tampa-bay-buccaneers-quarterback-season-benchmark

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        • FL B I Absolutely Agree about the pick sixes. They are demoralizing. And have been a reason for many losses over Winston time here.His first pass of his NFL career was a six and last pass in 19 was also. I have read he has to squint to see. Maybe he should get glasses because some of his throws are just mind boggling.

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          • Found it baffling when BA even admitted in one of his last pressers that JW is near-sighted. Says he occasionally wears goggles in practice, but that was it. To be fair, don’t think that’s the reason for the turnover issue (believe it’s more of a mentality thing), but it sure as hell isn’t helping anything.

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          • Man I had been waiting on someone to point out that Winston has to squint to see downfield for years now! I thought when his head coach finally admitted it they’d ask (force) him to get Lasik or contacts though (Or cut him) so I am still disappointed..I mean, it’s obvious to anyone who has watched him play that he can’t see far at all when looking downfield! Every time he does look deep (which is beyond 5yds for him) he squints like he’s looking straight into the sun.. As it goes supernova! I think it’s insane that BA finally acknowledges this but then blows it off & acts like it’s NBD!! And why the hell doesn’t Winsron want to get this fixed?? Who the hell ever heard of a QB that couldn’t see far winning anything?? (Idk if Jim McMahon(?) for the Bears could see far or not.. He did have some sort of problem with his eyes, maybe color blind.. But he wore special glasses for it too! Get Jame-IS SQUINTING Winston some GD Lasik or cut off the bottoms of a couple of old glass Coke bottles, tape him over his eyes (staples work for me too after that last pick 6.. Or the 6 before it!) and lets see if he can actually start “ballin’ out” instead of “bailin’ out” the other team with BLINDINGLY stupid (Yeah I went there! 😲😬.. TBC) INT’s & GO WIN some FREAKIN’ GAMES!! (So yeah I went there!! But only because THIS –>😑😵😝😣😆 = Jameis over the years!! Now BA–>🤔💭 “Does he need 🤓 or a👩‍⚕?! OR 🤓 AND a 👩‍⚕??! Or is it ME who needs a 👩‍⚕ & 🤓 for even THINKING of resigning him??!!” 😉😉 😩😠 IDK! Jameis after surgery or Optometrists visit–> 😌😲🤓😎🤑 then BA and all of Tampa Bay–> 😂😍😘😉😅😁😝 as we celebrate another Super Bowl win!!) Go LASIK!! I mean, GO BUCS!! (And LASIK!!)

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        • Great take!

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      • I added the info in parenthesis to show final rankings/numbers.

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  6. Did I not miss in the article a 3rd option of just replacing him with a #1 pick or a good F Agent?

    In looking at C.Palmer his 1st year with Arians his picks went up and so did his Sack Ratio which exploded. Dont know if it was a faulty Oline or they had no one to stretch the field like Arians prefers.

    So in 2014 they got Speedy John Brown who stretches the field and Palmer’s sack ratio and int ratio both plummeted.

    With Jay-miss he has had a high sack ratio since his 2nd year and its not really the Oline, but just holding on to the ball tooooo long and going deep too often.

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    • At times yes jameis does hold the ball too long, but this offensive line has been just average for years. You forget a whole year of watching caleb benenoch literally looking for someone to block. Blaming every sack om jameis is short sighted and just stupid. But i expect that when it comes to jameis on most boards.

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      • Agreed CG. Not to mention for the last three years Jameis has been playing with Koetter and Arians who are known for nonstop 5-7 step drop back passes. Their QB’s in either of those systems have been known to get sacked a lot. Matt Ryan took a beating this year. Just look who his coordinator was. Yes, Jameis takes a lot of sacks that are on him as well. He does hold the ball too long at times but when your scheme is long developing routes and you have a sub par oline, you’re going to get your ass kicked back there. It’s going to be one heck of an off-season for this franchise

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        • One of the biggest flaws with Winston imo, is his reluctance/refusal to throw the ball away when the play’s not there and move on to the next down. Some interesting stats per PFR: 17 int’s came on 1st or 2nd down; 23-27 int’s came inside the Bucs own 50 yd line (chart shows 27 but their math doesn’t add up); 19 int’s came within the first 3 QTR’s (with 10 in both the 1st & 4th QTR); 16 int’s in the 1st half; Only 6 picks when trailing with < 4 mins to go; Only 1 int when using play-action; Int's doubled from games 1-4 (5) to games 13-16 (10) while TD's remained similar (9 & 11). So many interesting stats if anyone cares to read them https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WinsJa00/splits/2019/ Plan to compare this to a few FA QB's just for giggles. Will post results at some point if anyone's interested.

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          • I can’t argue with you there. I know on several occasions I’ve been seen yelling at my tv, “just throw the damn ball away!!” Lol

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  7. Is this really this tough of a decision?
    I think at this point we have to remove the words “hope Winston can change” and ask “is Winston really ever going to change”.

    I believe there’s already enough data and information two already Cavs the GM in the Coach their answer.

    My experience in life is usually change is better than not.

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    • Sorry I should have reviewed my comments closer.
      ” I believe there already is enough data available for the GM and the Coach to make their decision”.

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  9. If IF IF IF IF If 5 times they said if can fix Winston 5 years is not long enough for slow learners
    Learning impaired to understand!
    IF IF IF IF If Arians the QB whisperer can fix Jameis Winston
    IF IF IF IF IF 30 Ints does not answer the question ?????

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    • dim-ass-bulb

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      • Why would this clown in hat what to lose rather than change the QB
        This is the same clown in the hat that wanted Winston over Brady.

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        • How many superbowls did Joe Montana win in Kansas City?

          How many superbowls did Brett Favre win with Minnesota?

          How many superbowls did Kurt Warner win with Arizona?

          How many superbowls did Jim McMahon, Nick Foles, Joe Flacco win with their new team?

          How many QB’s won a superbowl with a new team after age 38 like Rivers will be?

          How many of those QBs were going to be 43 with their new team like Brady?

          Your light bulb is getting dimmer and dimmer…

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          • How was Payton in Denver?
            How many Superbowls did Jameis win?
            How many playoff games did Jameis win?

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        • I’m running so many circles around you, you’re probably getting dizzy. Just sit down and put a cold compress on your head. It will be ok.

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  10. Babe Ruth lead the American League in strikeouts for 5 years. He was known as the “King of Strikeouts” and was given permission to fail as he swung for the fences. That is who Jameis Winston is in Bruce Arians offense in my opinion.

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    • LOL… Babe Ruth. Think you might be wildly overestimating the whole BA/Winston love-fest just a bit. As much as the media likes to play up their history (the whole football camp thing) and BA’s comments about Winston prior to/when arriving in Tampa, the two really didn’t have any sort of close relationship prior to BA’s arrival. And while BA has praised Winston, he has also said PLENTY of complimentary and endearing things about other QB’s, including both Rivers and Bridgewater. Also believe he probably feels he could have similar success with a quarterback who understands the difference between a calculated risk and an irresponsible decision (aka your King of Interceptions).

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      • I 100% believe Arians when he says, “If we can win with this QB, we can win with another QB.”

        It’s not that I have blind loyalty to Winston, nor do I believe Arians or Licht do either. It’s that he gives the Bucs the best chance to win now. Arians was also quoted as saying Winston has one of the best deep balls in the NFL contrary to his reputation before Arians arrival. Winston has a strong work ethic.

        A new QB will have the same growing pains Winston, Luck, Palmer, and Rothlisberger had in their first year in the system. A new QB will also have to develop rapport with the receivers, tight ends, backs, offensive line, and coaches. Meanwhile, Winston is in line to have the same uptick in production and downtick in turnovers just like the aforementioned QBs.

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  11. I’m still torn Scott. Do/don’t/will/won’t! If push comes to shove, I say franchise him for one yr. Then decide after his performance this upcoming year. Been a Bucs fan for a white and I still remember Culverhouse refusing to pay Doug Williams. And it really was not that much. So Doug just..quietly went over to them Redskins and won a superbowl. That along with the Bo’Jackson screwup is something our Bucs will never erase. Is Jameis a..late bloomer? Can he correct himself? One more year. Lets see.

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  12. I’ve been a consistent Jamies support, but I can’t see giving him a multi-year deal with guaranteed money that hurts the franchise past next season if he’s still the same guy and we decide to cut him loose. The $70+ million Scott mentions and $50+ million @bigsombrero talks about are non-starters. It may tick Jameis off, but bottom line he just hasn’t earned it. Our risk is he lights it up and decides to leave since he feels disrespected. Otherwise, he proves he’s matured enough to play at a championship level we pay him what he’s earned. Tag him. Make him earn the contract. If he shapes up, pay the man. If he doesn’t, move on.

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  13. Just a few observations. 1)Big changes to game since 93. 2) Take Licht totally out of the conversation. He can’t throw, Block, or tackle so BA puts little faith in what Licht thinks. 3) BA speaks before he thinks so any info from his last Presser is strictly BS and unreliable. 4) The reason they are tight-lipped about Jameis is because NO ONE including BA has a remote idea how this offseason is going to develop. 5) Where was Winston’s Mentor during his rookie year? Other than Fitz and a few has-beens on the sidelines who introduced him to the NFL? Until the dominos start to fall in FA, and the Money takes center stage we are all in a Fog.
    One thing that caught my attention was the numbers of INT’s that defenders dropped. That should be a big consideration…….
    Finally, throw it all against the wall and I feel that despite much fan disapproval, his 30-30 status, and 4 losing season (no playoff’s) he will be back….. Not my preference but who ya gonna replace him with?

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    • Agree that the “dropped interceptions” thing, if true, was interesting, though every QB in the league has some of those. Would be REALLY interesting to see that comparison data though. And it’s FIVE losing season’s btw. Frustrating a bit that just last off-season, so many of us were saying “It’s a contract year, let’s give JW a year with BA to see if he can be fixed and if not, we move on”. The year’s come and gone and yet many are still reluctant to move on. To be fair, there are no guarantees a new QB will lead us to the playoffs, but there are also none that Winston can either. Seems many are scared he’ll succeed elsewhere or that they just want to end the label of being the only NFL team not to have signed a drafted QB to a 2nd contract. Neither are reason’s just to stay status quo imo. And remember, Winston threw 3 TD’s and 6 picks in the last two games when playing without two of the top WR’s in the game. Not impossible to think that’s who he is without the weapons we have on offense if he goes elsewhere. Regardless, believe a new era is needed in order to bring a fresh energy and renewed relevance back to the organization. And new uni’s while we’re at it… lol

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    • What about the 5 or 6 dropped touchdown passes that happened right BEFORE Winston threw a pick on the next play?

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      • Know you’re trying to defend JW BS, but according to NFL.com (I’m starting to question PFR’s accuracy of certain things), JW only threw 6 picks inside the opponents 50yd line and only 1 redzone pick. So you’re saying that there were dropped TD passes before practically every pick that was thrown in standard TD range? Winston only threw 7 TD’s on attempts of 31+yds btw.

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        • Pardon me. I misstated. Touchdowns OR first downs. Didn’t you watch the games? OJ, Perriman, Tanner Hudson twice, Scotty Miller, Evans all had drops that would have resulted in a big first down or a touchdown and the very next play, Winston was forced to go back to the well and was picked off.

          When Winston has a meltdown game, its abysmally bad, but all QB’s worth a darn have them. Im not defending the 2nd 2019 Carolina game or the Bengal game from 2018.

          I am going to purchase game pass to watch the games again and live the excitement all over again. I will make a note of the times Winston’s teammates let him down and the next play the ball was turned over. I watched every snap last season, like every season and am certain of it. It’s strange that Im the only one that remembers that.

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          • Not strange at all. You’re the only one who’s looking for every vague excuse you can possibly find to defend Winston. Not that hard to understand. It’s OK to be a JW apologist bro, no need to feel defensive about it. He’s your guy, we all understand that. No worries, it’s cool. Wear that s!@t with pride man.

            And also agree, every QB has a bad game now and then, just as every QB has receivers who drop 1st downs or TD’s. That’s not just a JW thing. Going back and finding those isn’t going to change the fact that your guy was the major reason opposing teams had the 2nd best starting field position in the league against our D. No question football’s a team game, but when you’re the only guy besides the C that touches the ball practically every play, along with most of the fame comes most of the blame.

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  14. Is Winston fixable? No.  He has a fundamental flaw.  After five years you can come to no other conclusion.
    With all of his talent, all of his capability that flaw prevents him from rising to elite status.

    He could lead us to the playoffs, almost in spite of himself. He could even lead us to the Super Bowl.  Is he likely to actually win multiple Super Bowls? No.  You need to perform at a sustained level of quality to pull that off.

    Therefore any decision to retain Winston has to be a stop-gap effort while you finish building a championship calibre team.  You need to be putting into place a reliable QB who can sustain the drive to the top.

    The real question should be how are the Buccaneers going to find that QB and quickly put him into place.  Can they successfully replace Winston in the next couple of months?

    ________________
    P.S. BA was addressing the turnovers and  the penalties when he said “We will not be beating ourselves next year.” Replacing Jameis Winston and supplying the team with proper coaching will accomplish that.  Accountability and discipline are hallmarks of champions.

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  15. So Mahomes won league MVP, and SB MVP in his second year as a starter, but we need to see if Jameis can cut his turnovers down going into year six? As Scott said, Mahomes, and Watson are due big pay days coming off their rookie contracts. They’ll make between 30, 40 million a year, and I doubt there’s one fan who thinks paying either one of them is a mistake. I’d bet there’s 30 other GM’s who would agree they’re worth every penny. That’s how you know you have a franchise QB. The fact that we’re debating whether to bring Jameis back at all tells me we don’t have one. Jimmy Johnson stated Arains would move on from Jameis because he knows you can’t win with a QB who turns the ball over that much. As Scott wrote, Arains said, you turn the ball over, you’re not going to the playoffs you’re going home. Winston threw two pick sixes at home to start the season, and ended the season with a pick six at home. So much for learning from your mistakes. When we drafted Winston we hoped he would be like Mahomes, or Watson. By now it should be obvious he’s not. After five years of the same old, same old, he never will be. I’ve seen enough, I hope Arains, and the Glazers feel the same way. Oh, another key to making the playoffs, take care of your business at home. Winston seems to melt under the pressure of playing in front of the home crowd, or should I say the few fans who still bother to show up. That’s what chokers do, not ballers.

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  16. Heart says give Jameis one more year in BA’s system with a Franchise Tag. But my head says nope… no way. The sooner we move on the better. I just don’t feel… based on the last 5 years… that Jameis is the best QB for this team. We have other players who r getting older now and they deserve a chance at succcess. I no longer feel that Jameis will lead us to that success. Look at the empty seats! Go get the best QB available that best fits our needs and then draft a young talent that may be groomed to be our starter. I think this makes the most financial sense than to overburden this team with a 28-30 a year salary that leaves us strapped for adding new talent. I’m just saying…

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  17. Finally, Jameis has an emerging defense with some O-line help coming in the draft (I hope). If he is coached to pull down and run as opposed to trying desperation heaves, as well as staring down receivers, he’s gonna cut down on the ints. We’ve come this far. Let’s take it the rest of the way and not have yet another Doug Williams/Steve Young outcome. The NFC South is finally starting to ease up with retirement and superstars getting old. It’s the Bucs time.

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  18. if the BUCS are going to move on from Winston, Rivers is the best candidate. The BUCS can draft a QB to learn for a year or two. They should draft one whether Winston stays or goes.

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  19. Just one simple question for everyone – name me one above average quarterback who for five years threw too many interceptions, then reduced it to acceptable levels. We have gone down this path before – his name was Vinny Testaverde. He never quite got the interceptions under control. He had a long career and when not asked to do too much, he was fairly successful (Baltimore for example, but then they drafted Flacco and with the same team went to the Super Bowl a few years later).

    In the case of the GM, he is probably pretty safe dumping Winston and not seeing him have a wildly successful career elsewhere. If he does, it just means Licht did a terrible job getting enough talent around him. Except I don’t think that is the case. There are a lot of rumors flying around the Bucs are sniffing around Philip Rivers, the one true free agent who is out there most likely. It would not shock me in the least if they in the end pass on Winston’s demands, hire Rivers, and draft the future. This is probably even more close to the truth if they can sign Rivers for less than the $30 million that Winston wants (he got $20 million in Los Angeles last year based off a base of $11 million).

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    • This is a super easy question to answer and I’m not even as versed as new beat writer Jon Ledyard! When comparing their first 5 years, the immediate answer is Ben Rothisberger.

      Ben had 1905 passing attempts and was intercepted 69 times. That is an INT % of 3.62%. Ben was sacked 192 times.

      Winston has 2548 passing attempts and was intercepted 88 times. That is an INT % of 3.45%. WInston has been sacked 169 times(23 less times than Ben) on 643 MORE PASSING ATTEMPTS.

      Very simple question deserved a very simple answer sir.

      https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RoetBe00.htm

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      • Gosh dawgit, I forgot to include Ben’s career INT % now. 2.6%

        It is 100% possible for Winston to get better, just like Ben did.

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      • Dag nabit. Forgot one last thing that makes this such a great comparison: They both ran a system that featured deep passes to talented WR’s, play action, and lots of 5 and 7 step drops. Bruce Arians was the OC and ran the same offense there that he did here.

        Do you agree that it’s possible Winston could win if he had the same defense and rushing attack Pittsburgh had? His personal stats are already better in his first 5 years.

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        • Well, I appreciate that answer. Never thought of him. Guess it may be possible – we will see if Arians agrees.

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    • Did any of these quarterbacks help the Bucs to the playoffs?

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      • We can signed Bridgewater for about 12-15 million for five years and 30 million guaranteed. He’s safe QB and that’s all we need to make it back to the Super Bowl. He throws deep enough especially since our receivers have improved their YAC.

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        • Agree, but he has to become available – there is no certainty yet that New Orleans won’t resign him. It all depends if Brees retires or not. If not, then the window of opportunity opens on him as well.

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  20. Whatever the Bucs decide they better structure Jameis’ contract in a way that he can exit stage left with Licht after next season if this thing blows up like I expect next year. If there’s a better side to Jameis it’s clear we don’t have the mental fortitude in the front office to assemble a team that can win with Jameis. Until we find a team that can run to limit the passes Jameis has to throw he will continue to be up and down. He can flourish in a play action offense with a legit threat of the run but he hasn’t shown anything on film that can suggest he can win consistently as a gunslinger. The offensive line is overpaid and underachieving, I’d be ok with letting Jensen go and signing another C in the 2nd or 3rd. He frees up 10M if much rather pay JPP. To expect anything else without a running game is insane. I hope Jameis figures it out but I don’t think the minds evaluating talent are that bright. Bruce had a year off to scout college kids last season and the year prior, this year it’ll be Jason and that fine scouting dept primarily doing the looking. The FA signings last year suggest hes been stripped of those responsibilities which is a blessing but the draft I fear will be his focus. And before anybody argues with me on this, Suhs been available on 1 year deals for the past 2 seasons, I begged for him and Licht chose other options. That was an Arians attitude change move and it’s obvious. Jason’s been muzzled and neutered but I’d much rather just have him gone Bc he can’t do anything well. Also Carr would be a good fit here too, he has the arm to make the throws and makes better decisions with the football. Brady won’t want to come here. Rivers is an old Jameis. Teddy would die behind our OL. Tannenhill looked good Bc he had the leagues best rushing attack and we have yea nothing close to that. Upgrading the OL and DL have to be the highest priority. This article suggests that any of these QBs can turn us around and that’s not true. With the same lack of balance all these guys would look as bad if not worse.

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  21. It isn’t hard to figure out about Arian’s comments on Winston. They are in negotiations with him and his agent, the last thing you want to do is talk him up and let them know how bad you want him back. Low ball him and get a high incentive, team friendly deal. The art of negotiation.

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  22. Pewter Report: Jameis Winston
    To Resign, Not Resign

    Poster #1: 5yr Loser
    Poster #2: 1st yr in the system. He’ll do better
    Poster #3: Too turnover prone
    Poster #4: Never had a team around him
    Poster #5: I give up on him
    Poster #6: 5000+ yrds 33 Tds
    Poster #7 ANDY DALTON!!
    And So On

    I know this is a hot topic and it’s about the most critical position. But it’s the same stuff over and over. Same coverage about mostly to resign and reasons why. Same debates among us that could be copy and paste from previous post.

    Let’s talk about real football!! What impending free agents could work for this team, Offense and Defense? Whoever is quarterbaccing the offense what can be done to help him successful? No cliches like run game, o-line and defense. Something in depth with real thinking behind it. Example Run Game: what type of scheme you thinks suits better? Does the team have the right type of players for the scheme? Every Team wants/needs all those. This is a Salary Cap sport, not all those will happen. Who would win the MVP, DMVP, Comebacc Player award next year?
    Since it’s Blacc History Month. What players did you connect with? Who’ve you met? Anything memorable.

    Let’s freshen up the comment section.
    Have some real debates.

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    • Well stated DM, though gotta ask… are you allergic to the letter “k”? 🙂

      Guilty as charged re: the JW eval overkill. Apologies, know most are probably over reading about it practically every day. Definitely looking forward to more FA/Draft talk and articles. I’m sure they’re in the works.

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    • I’ll admit my posts are pretty redundant. In a few weeks we have the combine and next month FA, Franchise tags, etc. My comment about BA and Licht having no idea as to the solution to the Winston dilemma was simply a metaphor describing the absolute silence we are getting on the subject. In a few weeks hopefully the preseason will provide more answers for better conversations.

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    • We had an OJ Howard discussion in the latest podcast comment section if you’re interested there DM… 🙂

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  23. One other dominant championship trait: Those teams get a first round bye and usually have deep home field advantage. Split the difference on the 6 losses by 1 score and this team is 10-6 and hoping for a wild card. It can be done, and has – but usually isn’t.

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  24. I remember that KC opener. They ran out of ice at halftime.

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    • Was at a home-opener a few years ago when they ran out of food at more than a few concessions, at least on the 3rd level. Believe that was the final year for that vendor contract… lol

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  25. I just have a hard time believing that the Bucs will outright release Winston with no viable QB to replace him in hand. I sure don’t think Brady or Rivers are “viable” at this point of their careers. Is it possible that the team would resign former first round pick QB Blaine Gabbert as the stop-gap and draft a QB at #14? I see no way that Pre-Season star QB Ryan Griffin would be called on to do a Jerry Golstyne impersonation.

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    • Gabbert is horrible… has never played well anywhere that he’s been. I don’t even like him as a back-up, just knows BA’s system. I’ll take Ryan Griffin all day long.

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      • All day? I like Griffin too, but based on what? Granted he’s played pretty well in preseason, but he’s only faced a regular season D once as an in-game replacement. Completely different when a team game plans and schemes against you and the offense vs what they throw out there in preseason. Had someone tell me the other day he’s sees no difference between Griffin and Cousins, Goff, and Tannehill. While none of those guys are world-beaters, just blindly having faith in Griffin over guys that have 93, 54, and 100 games under their belt PLUS playoff experience isn’t really working in reality when trying to find a solution at QB. No question Griffin should be given the chance to compete for the job though. He’s impressed enough to stick around under 2 HC’s and two offensive systems, so would think coaches see he’s intelligent and shows at least some sort of ability.

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        • When it comes to Griff vs. Gabbert, Griff is the easy choice.

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          • Agreed, if only for the fact that Griffin is still a bit of an unknown just due to a lack of regular season action at this point. Not sure we’d want him starting a full-season, but there are definitely worse options out there for sure. Gabbert’s 6.1yd/avg, 3.2%TD/3.1%INT ratio, and 71.7 career rating are downright fugly. Has only played in 56 career games in 9 years. Amazing to consider he was drafted #10 overall back in 2011. Major miss who was followed up by Blake Bortles, who was sadly drafted #3 overall in 2014. Gotta feel for those Jax fans sometimes LOL

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    • Baffled by how many feel Rivers or Brady aren’t “viable” strictly due to their age, without having any info to back up that train of thought other than “perception”. If either QB had shown a sustained decline, that mindset would be understandable. However, a study of their stats shows that’s not the case with either QB. While not perfect fits due to arm strength, believe BA, Leftwich and Rivers/Brady could devise a plan that takes advantage of their skills while keeping the concepts similar. Beyond the stats though, their knowledge alone gained through 16+ years each in the league is undeniable. Rivers is just one year removed from posting a 6.3%TD/2.4%Int ratio and taking LA to the playoffs, beating Baltimore in the WC and losing to NE in the Divisional round. Neither are long-term options obviously, but both could be impactful bridge QB’s. And not just in the grooming of whatever young QB is drafted this year or next, but also in the psyche of the entire organization. Also, due to his loyalty, believe BA wants to groom his successor from this staff and would prefer to have a long-term QB in place upon his retirement. Can’t think of a better scenario than to draft a guy to sit a year or two behind one of these guys and learn. Worked out pretty good for Mahomes once he took the reigns after sitting all but one game his first year. Pretty rare these days but so many advantages to it.

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      • While not true in every case, have to think that some of these young QB’s that fail to develop might’ve been helped with a bit more time on the bench initially like Mahomes. Having that time to learn how to read NFL defenses, make adjustments, lead a team of adult men, even just how to become an NFL pro on/off the field while not under game prep pressure every week is invaluable imo. The new CBA restrictions made things even harder to develop players at all positions, which many players/coaches/FO’s agree is the case. Obviously some QB’s are just over-drafted and lack the talent or mentality to succeed in the NFL regardless if they had more bench time, but there are surely some others who failed to be all they could be due to the lack of it as well.

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    • Scubog; what’s your thoughts on Bridgewater?

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      • Horse: I really liked him coming out of college and wasn’t surprised by his early success with the Vikings. While I think he’s the perfect follow-up to Drew Brees, I’m not so sure he’s the right QB for this offense. Having said that, at this point in their careers I’d prefer him over the other potentially available QB’s often mentioned, including Rivers or Brady. He sure looked good against us.

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        • Thank you for the comments. Whatever happens I’ll support it.
          Go Bucs!

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  26. Bucs find the next Mahomes . Yea not likely. The NFL is changing to very mobile QB’S. The day’s of stand tall in the pocket are coming to a end. A defense has to spy on a QB that can make play’s with his legs. Most teams in the playoffs had just that.

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  27. Too much emphasis on QB position.

    Arians made it clear that he wants to continue to build the defense.

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  28. I am fine with moving on from Winston if they come up with better option. Rivers would be a disaster and would throw 20 plus int. In this system and he wouldn’t have as many points or TD’s due to lack mobility. He is one dimensional player especially at 38. He doesn’t win big games despite being on many good times going on two decades! He is 4-4 in playoffs and never advanced to super bowl.

    Assuming Brady’s arm is even good enough anymore, Brady is 43! Break the bank to give him a year or two here and away all the great defenders go we want to keep because can’t afford them? Yeah sounds like great plan. Assuming he even leaves NE which he likely won’t if he plays.

    Drafting a QB that’s not top pick will take 3 or more years to develop. Arians and this fan want to win now! No thanks!

    I have couple questions everyone already knows answers too but refuse to acknowledge or factor in when they want Winston gone no matter who replacement is.

    Question 1).
    Everyone talks about 5 years he had to turn it around. Fair enough but,

    “Did they give Winston anything but leagues worst defense for 5 years?“

    Answer- No they sucked and even this year were 29th in pass defense. Funny all the guys say can’t win with Winston, but even with Winston throwing too many int. This year We won 5 of 6 games towards end when defense played well. Hmmm. That makes too much sense I guess for you all to process.

    Question 2.)
    “Did they give him at least an average run game or O line from rookie on or FG kicker?“

    Answer -again is big hell no. I think his first year as rookie was only time the run was average and he threw his lowest int. Too. Coincidence I’m sure as a good run game and balance wouldn’t matter and can’t “fix” him right? So idiotic. He has ran for his life more in last five years than any other QB. FG kickers have cost us multiple games every year. All that factors into it.

    If was me I would give 1 more year at least here if not an incentive heavy, cap friendly 3-5 year deal that allows Bucs to move on easily after couple years if he’s deemed unfixable still after we finally play some F-ing average defense, run the ball decent and make FG’s. Special teams sucked too last year.

    You don’t fix those things won’t matter if it’s Brady back there in his prime!

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    • Well said Fredster.

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  29. I just don’t know with Jameis. I can see every side of the argument and am going to continue subscribing to ‘Jameis Estrangement Syndrome’ (I stay away from thinking about it too much until the experts have made their decision). I do agree that the outcome will portend “seismic change” for this franchise, and I also think the upcoming CBA is going to add an interesting factor to the mix. If we weren’t so close to a new CBA, I’d be more hestitant about wanting to employ a tag. On the flip side of that, though, if he plays well under a tag, Jameis may feel he’s ‘proven it’ and decide to go elsewhere.

    At the same time, I really don’t care for Rivers’ attitude on field (kind of a punk, to be honest); Brady looks increasingly average; and Tampa doesn’t pick high enough to get one of the higher-rated draft picks. Door number two doesn’t look so hot, really.

    It’s certainly one of the more fascinating story lines of this off-season.

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    “Leverage”
    February 8th, 2020

    Holding the hammer.
    A guy who shares the same surname as the ownership group that controls the Bucs (but is not related), suggests if the Bucs keep Mr. Entertainment, America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, Jameis would return on Team Glazer’s terms.

    In other words, Team Glazer can squeeze Jameis.

    There is a glut of quarterbacks on the market, not counting players in the draft. As a result, Jay Glazer of The Athletic reminds Bucs fans in an NFL question/answer feature that Team Glazer has “leverage” on Jameis and should get a decent deal in keeping the NFL’s passing yards leader.

    Good morning, Jay. Do you see the Buccaneers moving on from Jameis Winston this offseason and if so, who do you possibly envision Jason Licht and Bruce Arians bringing in as his replacement? —Steve S.

    There are more options at the quarterback position this year than I can ever remember in the past. They’re in a great position there with leverage because there is a ton of supply versus the demand that will be out there. I know Bruce, even after Jameis would throw a lot of interceptions, Bruce had his back, protecting him publicly and even privately. I think when you go and look, now that they are going to put him on the board with all the other options out there, his value will change. Listen, right now, it is a little bit too early to give you a hard answer because guys are coming off of vacation. If there weren’t so many quarterback options then Jameis would have more sturdy ground to stand on. There are so many options out there that they can really play around with what they need to be done over there.

    Glazer is correct in that there are options. But what good are options if they are not better?

    Philip Rivers is an old, immobile version of Jameis. Tom Brady’s arm is shot. And don’t get Joe started on Joe Flacco.

    (Column Intermission: For all the people that freaked out at Joe on Twitter for running the Joe Flacco story, don’t come at Joe with your noise! Joe didn’t invent this out of thin air. A former NFL quarterback (who had a cup of coffee with Chucky and the Bucs) went on the largest radio platform in the nation for NFL chatter and said this. If you’ve got a problem with pushing for Flacco, you can go after Jim Miller on Twitter or call his damn show up, “Movin’ the Chains.” Miller takes phone calls every weekday afternoon. Joe is just a messenger. What the hell is the matter with people?)

    Now if you are of the mind the Bucs should sign Rivers, hold their collective breaths, and draft Jordan Love or Jacob Eason as a bridge quarterback, fine. Then wave goodbye to your coveted right tackle or pass rusher at No. 14.

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    19 Responses to ““Leverage””
    TheBucsAnthem Says:
    February 8th, 2020 at 8:01 am
    The Glazer Boys are world class billionaire clowns ^^^^^^^^

    Malcom Glazer was a winner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:
    February 8th, 2020 at 8:03 am
    So in other words…The Glazers are willing to pay less for the same results…..

    footballjunkie Says:
    February 8th, 2020 at 8:12 am
    Tom Brady.

    And no, you’re wrong, his arm in not “shot”. It may not be 100% of what it formerly was, but he can still make 35-50 yard deep out post pattern throws, and his ACCURACY is something we’ve never had here. Not to mention his unparalleled QB/football wisdom.

    Tom Brady.

    It’s just about creating a financial package attractive enough to lure him here. He naturally will have appeal in working with BA. And the weapons here. Draft best OL at #14.

    Señor Harry in Costa Rica Says:
    February 8th, 2020 at 8:12 am
    I am thinking Safety at 14. As you said Joe, I would prefer either a RT, pass rusher or DT, depending on which FA get re-uped. But I think Bowles wants a versatile Safety that will make his D really click

    Mort Says:
    February 8th, 2020 at 8:14 am
    Anthem: word is Joel Glazer was instrumental in bringing Chucky to Tampa. Malcolm was great, but you can’t fault the glazers for much except telling Chucky and Raheem to not spend money for a couple years while they bought Manchester United.

    Bosch Says:
    February 8th, 2020 at 8:16 am
    Anthem, I couldn’t agree more with your first statement. Neither agree nor disagree with your second.

    Mr. Reality Says:
    February 8th, 2020 at 8:46 am
    Aritle says “Philip Rivers is an old, immobile version of Jameis. Tom Brady’s arm is shot. And don’t get Joe started on Joe Flacco.” Actually, Jameis is a younger more mobile version of Flacco except his lows are much, much worse, who has not fully developed as fast as Rivers, and has never won anything for his team but headaches.

    Add the above to your last para about signing Rivers as a bridge QB and drafting one, that is the most prudent course of action for all components (winning, salary cap, and keeping the fan base for futher eroding). Now, with the sentence above, it is better to have a bridge QB that is a “has-been” than to roll the dice a sixth time on a “never was” or “never will.”

    As for the last sentence, there will be serviceable right tackles out there, to include a draftee in 2nd round OR FA.

    Mr. Reality Says:
    February 8th, 2020 at 8:51 am
    Here’s one to hit home though: The Glazers already had the terms on Winston. It is a fact they wanted to give him every opportunity to demonstrate he is the franchise guy…from the months before when the evaluated his potential worth over the potential awful baggage. So far, after building a stadium, marketing scheme, players and even coaches around him, all that have is the worst nghtmare they’d hoped he wasn’t. Turnover machine with character issues who has hurt his team in man ways. The do recognized the ticket buying fans have had it. They also know Winston is large reason the team is laughed at–no one wants Winston as the face of their products…including the Glazers. IF Winston comes back it won’t be for big money, and it will only be if Rivers or someone else they are looking at gets away or doesn’t score well in the overall evaluation. To be clear, this is already on the Glazers terms. The benefit of the doubt for Winston is over, and frankly, the Glazers are already overally generous for putting up with this punk as long as they have.

    Jeagan1999 Says:
    February 8th, 2020 at 8:57 am
    If I’m the Bucs front office, I’m letting Winston test free agency. I doubt there are any teams willing to pay him what he thinks he’s worth. Then you are in a position of power to negotiate. Personally, I’d rather move on from Jameis, rent a veteran QB for 2-3 years at $15-$18mil a year, draft Herbert or Eason, and use the cost savings to re-sign our key defensive players, bring in an upgrade or two in free agency, draft a good RB and we are ready for a playoff run.

    tmaxcon Says:
    February 8th, 2020 at 8:58 am
    Parole jameis…. this franchise is going nowhere with glazers and washed up BA and the oversized garbage staff….

    BrianBucs Says:
    February 8th, 2020 at 9:06 am
    We will see how much the Bucs decision on Winston comes down to money.
    Best case scenario for the Bucs would be to have Winston overprice himself and Bucs be forced to move on.
    The Bucs also must consider how much other revenue they are losing through loss of fan support and having a half empty stadium on Sundays as long as Winston is the QB here as most fans have had enough. That also costs them through the loss of their corporate sponsors and advertisers.
    Best thing as a whole for the entire franchise, organization and fan base would be to move on from Winston.

    Tampabaybucfan Says:
    February 8th, 2020 at 9:19 am
    Of course you attempt to gain leverage……this is why there is silence…..working behind the scenes to develop viable options to Winston…..if he doesn’t cooperate, he will be gone….its simply how it works (another way of saying “simple as that”

    Get ready for more silence from OBP…..

    JP_09 Says:
    February 8th, 2020 at 9:29 am
    I’d rather have a QB with a shot arm than a shot brain

    AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:
    February 8th, 2020 at 9:41 am
    This too will backfire on the G’Boyz….whichever plan they have up their sleeves….some agent will spill the beans and all hell will break loose….or some variation

    Cobraboy Says:
    February 8th, 2020 at 9:43 am
    I agree fully with both Mr. Reality and Jeagan.

    If they wanted Winston they’d have made a move even if a confidence endorsement. That would make Winston less attractive to other suitors. Think Barrett is high on the radar after BA’ endorsement?

    But they have not. I suspect this is less about ” leverage” gamesmanship than the fact that they cannot talk to any FA because of tampering.

    Time will tell as was are in Liars Poker season.

    Bucs Guy Says:
    February 8th, 2020 at 9:45 am
    Don’t touch Love with a 10′ pole. He’s Josh Freeman 2.0.

    Get Dalton, Carr or Bridgewater are good reasonably priced QBs. All are better options than Jameis. He hasn’t taken us to the playoffs in 5 years, so why is year 6 going to be different? Forget Rivers and Brady.

    Resign the defense. Trade OJ. Pick up a S and a backup DT to replace Allen in FA. Build the team this year T, DT, DE, S, RB, WR, TE. Then if you still believe you need a QB next year, mortgage the farm for Lawrence.

    Jean Lafitte Says:
    February 8th, 2020 at 9:51 am
    True, the Glazers sign the check but all during the season Licht was out there with his burner account calling people basically dumb if they want to move on from Jameis. He said “hell or highwater” Jameis will remain a Buc. He showed his hand to the Winston team and subsequently lost any leverage. If Licht wants Winston now, he’ll have to meet Winston and his agents demands. Arians has played it right in the public eye.

    Watch, Winston gets signed for 30+

    Alanbucsfan Says:
    February 8th, 2020 at 10:03 am
    Teddy Bridgewater

    martinii Says:
    February 8th, 2020 at 10:06 am
    I am not a Jameis apologist. At this point I have no idea what the Glazer’s, BA, and Licht will do. BUT if they bring in a replacement he will have a very short window and if he doesn’t win now the Ray Jay will be full of cheap seats that only visiting fans will purchase. They have invested five years in this QB, One year of BA’s Tenure, and a significant portion of top veteran and rookie careers. When camp breaks in September fans will demand wins. No time to rebuild.

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  31. Winston will only be back on the Bucs terms with a cap friendly deal. Anything else and Arians will continue with the plan of building up the defense with Bowles help and keep adding offensive weapons (eg WR and RB) while shoring up the trenches.

    This is a cap decision and has nothing to do with stats that people are citing.

    Winston asking $30 million per year? Bucs are moving on.

    Anything less than that and the Bucs will negotiate with Winston’s camp. Team Glazer would like Winston to come back on a cap friendly deal.

    This is because Arians made it clear he wants to keep this defense intact and to keep building on it using cap space and draft capital.

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  32. I am honestly at the point that I am fine with whatever they decide to do. If we shore up the Oline, add another RB, resign Dline, add a Secondary Vet, we are gonna be solid. Evaluate the QB position, decide what gives us the best chance to win, maybe look at the playbook and make it not so hard to bring to life and let’s make opponents hate their life for 60 minutes at a time.

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    • I feel the same way.

      To me the Bucs have drat picks and cap space to improve the overall team. While the QB decision is important it should not overshadow the opportunities the Bucs can have by shoring up the trenches adding a RB, WR and a veteran safety.

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  33. So since this is a Winston topic? Any news if he really had eye surgery.

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  34. One aspect of Winston’s game, besides the turnovers obviously, that no QB coach has ever cleaned up is his play action fakes. He just doesn’t “sell” the fake handoff well enough. If he did a better job of this,(Favre was very good at it) I believe he could “freeze” the linebackers and safeties a split second longer, thus opening the throwing lanes a little wider, especially on timing routes, and quite possibly reduce his INT’s. Just my thoughts on his mechanics.

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