The Tampa Bay Buccaneers were hopeful that cornerback Vernon Hargreaves III, the team’s first-round pick in 2016, was going to have a stellar season with a change of coaches and a change in defensive scheme.

The team’s new coaching staff was pleased with his effort in the offseason and in training camp. Hargreaves’ ability to play press man coverage, which is what he did best at the University of Florida, was going to be showcased in Todd Bowles’ defense and allow Hargreaves to finally live up to his first-round draft billing after three years of mediocre play, injuries and just one career interception.

On Sunday in Tampa Bay’s 30-27 win over Arizona, Hargreaves was benched early in the second half after not showing great effort in tracking down Cardinals rookie receiver Andy Isabella on a 55-yard gain before returning to the game in the fourth quarter only after M.J. Stewart was injured.

Just 48 hours later, Hargreaves was released by the Bucs.

Why?

Former Bucs CB Vernon Hargreaves III
Former Bucs CB Vernon Hargreaves III – Photo by: Getty Images

There are a number of reasons why Hargreaves is no longer a Buccaneer. Let’s start with his play on the field.

Hargreaves had a good start to the season with a pick-six in Tampa Bay’s season opener against San Francisco and a 12-tackle performance in Week 2 in a win at Carolina, including the game-winning play when he knocked running back Christian McCaffrey out of bounds an inch short on fourth-and-1. But in the last seven games, Hargreaves hasn’t played aggressively, evidenced by no splash plays from the team’s supposed top cornerback.

No forced fumbles, no fumble recoveries, no interceptions, just two pass breakups and not enough effort when it comes to pursuit and tackling.

To put that in perspective, rookie cornerback Jamel Dean has eight pass breakups and one critical interception in only one and half game’s worth of play on defense in his young NFL career. Hargreaves has played too passively in run support and also in pass coverage when the team has demanded its cornerbacks play aggressively. As the veteran in a room full of young cornerbacks, Hargreaves needed to be setting the example with effort and he just wasn’t doing that.

With the team preaching accountability, it was time for the coaches and the front office to hold him accountable.

Hargreaves is a good guy and wasn’t polluting the room with a bad attitude. It’s just that the coaches are trying to set a standard with effort and aggressiveness, and Hargreaves, the lone veteran in the room, should be leading the charge – not getting benched during a critical game in a critical time for loafing. Actions have consequences, but sometimes inaction has consequences, too.

Bucs CB Jamel Dean
Bucs CB Jamel Dean – Photo by: Getty Images

It became clear after Sunday that the team was ready to start Dean and second-year cornerback Carlton Davis outside with rookie Sean Murphy-Bunting in the slot. If Hargreaves was benched this week leading up to the game he might be a distraction – not from an attitude standpoint, but simply from a media coverage standpoint because that would be the topic in the locker room interview period on Wednesday. The team probably considered that in making the decision to release him on Tuesday.

And the final reason the Bucs likely elected to make this move now is that once the team came to the realization that it was moving forward with the trio of Dean, Davis and Murphy-Bunting at cornerback this year, keeping Hargreaves on the team and taking a chance that he could get injured in games or in practice was a risk the team did not want to take. In the offseason, Tampa Bay picked up his fifth-year option for 2020, which is just over $9 million, but it wasn’t guaranteed for anything except injury.

If Hargreaves had torn his ACL in practice in December and been out for the 2020 campaign, his $9 million-plus salary would count towards Tampa Bay’s cap space next year. Now the team is no longer obligated to pay him the $9 million-plus as he has been released, and there is no salary cap penalty for doing so, either. Hargreaves’ play just hasn’t warranted anywhere to close to $9 million.

He wasn’t going to be back in Tampa Bay in 2020 regardless. The Bucs just decided to move on from Hargreaves earlier than most expected.

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Scott Reynolds is in his 24th year of covering the Tampa Bay Buccaneers as the vice president, publisher and senior Bucs beat writer for PewterReport.com. Author of the popular SR's Fab 5 column on Fridays, Reynolds oversees web development and forges marketing partnerships for PewterReport.com in addition to his editorial duties. A graduate of Kansas State University in 1995, Reynolds spent six years giving back to the community as the defensive line coach for his son's Pop Warner team, the South Pasco Predators. Reynolds can be reached at: [email protected]

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  1. Because he was a liability and nothing else.

    This guy is a bust Scott Reynolds, not Ronald Jones. A first round pick, 11th overall and never amounted to squat. His Buc career has been terrible. Good riddance!
    SR, I hope you have apologized to Rojo, for labeling him a bust on here and Twitter, all offseason. Buy him a steak dinner with that apology.

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    • Thing is, the 2016 draft was Koetter’s first year. So it shouldn’t be any surprise that it’s going to look bad for that year’s draft class.

      As for RoJo and his draft class? Thank goodness they had only one year under Koetter and Mike Smith!

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  2. What’s sort of amazing is that in spite of being called a “cancer” by his own teammate Eli Apple, taken one spot ahead of Hargreaves was traded by the Giants to the Saints for a 4th and 7th round pick. Mr Draft himself Jason Licht managed to cut his first round pick who didn’t have the baggage Apple had for nothing. Sometimes you wonder if maybe that 30-59 record by Licht is deserved, oh wait, of course it is.

    So does the 2016 Bucs Draft go down as one of the worst in franchise history? VHIII, Spence, Agauyo, R Smith and Benenoch were taken and literally none of them was even an average starter during their time here in a draft in which Licht started with a top 10 pick in every round.

    Looks like not all predictions pan out, right Scott?

    https://www.pewterreport.com/did-the-bucs-actually-draft-a-kicker-in-round-2-heck-yes/

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    • The Bucs are already one of the youngest teams in the NFL. Trading for draft picks, assuming they could have at this point in the season, would only make them younger. By cutting Hargreaves, Arians sends a clear message to the rest of the team that you better hustle and produce, or else it can happen to the rest of the team. And, as Scott pointed out, it was a good business move for the Bucs to cut him and add $9 million more cap space. Licht has done a better job, especially this year, of adding quality FA players at bargain prices.

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      • So you’re telling me that you’d rather release a player for no compensation than get a 4th round pick? That the lottery ticket on a very cheap rookie wage scale is somehow less valuable than absolutely nothing at all?

        Is that seriously your argument @ericnv?

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        • Weigh that against the risk of keeping him and he ends up going on IR. We can get 1-2 veteran players in FA next March for what the Bucs would have had to pay him. The trade deadline has come and gone, so the Bucs would have had to wait until the start of the new NFL year to trade him, when his guaranteed $9 million would have kicked in.

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          • Let me put it another way, are you saying you’re smarter on this subject than Scott Reynolds?

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          • I’m pointing out that Licht had an opportunity the past few seasons to do what the Giants did and get something rather than nothing for VHIII. Apple was traded LAST YEAR, no one is saying that Licht should’ve paid Hargreaves 9 million next year and hoped he could find a taker for that type of contract, his chance was the same the Giants had. He decided to hold out until the last minute and bail after he was confronted with the fact that VHIII was never worth the option year.

            And if you look up my posts over the years and compare it to Scott’s: praise of the 2016 NFL Draft (and all Drafts under Licht), Roberto Aguayo selection, “Mortar Kicks” article, defense of Jameis Uber ride, perpetual defense of Jason Licht, continual desire to fire every coach who walks in the door including those like Koetter he asked to be hired in the first place, there should be no doubt who has better judgment on the Bucs.

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        • Who says we would’ve gotten a 4th round pick? Who says that Licht didn’t call around and got zero offers for VH3? You can’t compare Apple with VH3 because they’re 2 separate players with 2 separate skill sets.

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          • Well @knightrider79 they are both CB’s selected 10th and 11th overall in the 2016 NFL Draft and not only was Hargreaves a more decorated collegiate player going into the draft (2x first team All American, 3x first team SEC) Eli Apple had been just called a cancer by none other than teammate, 3 time Pro Bowler and TEAM CAPTAIN fellow DB Landon Collins.

            Now look despite the fact that Hargreaves was just picked up off waivers by the Texans meaning they were willing to take his contract as it was written, to the extent that you would like to argue that no one knows for sure what was on the table of the past few years for VHIII that is fine, but if you think that in year three Eli Apple (or Gaines Adams) had significantly more trade value than Hargreaves ever did, to the point that VHIII was worthless that’s an interesting take. But if he was completely worthless to the NFL by then for which Licht would later approve the 9 million dollar option year then that is unquestionably a bigger indictment on the GM then the fact that he didn’t bother to get anything for him while he could.

            But seeing as Licht settled on keeping Mike Glennon as a backup knowing he would depart to get a crack at starting and would later go on to sign a 3 yr 45 million dollar deal by the Bears it’s pretty clear Licht will hoard a player for short term benefit rather than take a pick for them for long term gain.

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          • Well @devacher what did the Texans give up for VH3? Nothing. So how is that on Licht? We picked up DJ Swearinger and gave up nothing to get him when the Texans cut him. Why didn’t the Texans just trade him and get something for him? Maybe because they had no suitors?

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          • @knightrider79 Why is something that should be SO SIMPLE to understand SO HARD for you?

            The point was made regarding the Giants 2018 trade, in year 3 PRIOR to the option coming up. You seem hell-bent on trying to ask why Licht didn’t trade him last week. No one, least of all me, is saying Licht had compensation awaiting him last week. Did he have compensation available last year? Based on Eli Apple and the propensity to take chances on first round picks more closely to when they were drafted the answer would likely be a yes, but like Mike Glennon Licht chose to let all value evaporate.

            But if we take your oft repeated premise that there could have been absolutely no value for VHIII last season at the same time Apple was dealt for a mid round pick then wouldn’t that make the decision to select him, and all of the 2016 class even worse by comparison?

            Pick your poison Licht Defender, it smells bad either way.

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          • Well @devasher maybe it’s because you’re so infinitely smarter than I am. It’s obvious that I’m dealing with someone who’s opinion is valued greatly amongst themselves. It’s obvious that your hatred for Licht is drowning everything else out. I’m not a Licht defender but I’m not going to sit here and bash the guy either. Was that draft class bad? Absolutely. However every GM misses on draft pics. Every GM missed in free agency. However those GM’s that hang on too long to a bust don’t last. He’s proven that he’ll move on from a bust.

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    • Although Apple started off worse than Hargreaves, he was actually traded in October 2018 after 5 good games with the Giants. Hargreaves just had 7 bad games in a row and a 9 million guarantee. That is probably why the trade value difference. Just my opinion.

      2015 was a horrible draft class for the Buc’s. All other teams in the NFL have horrible draft classes…. You just need a good one like the Saints in 2017
      Marshon Lattimore
      Ryan Ramczyk
      Marcus Williams
      Alvin Kamara

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      • The guarantees on both players are the same (slightly more for Apple due to his higher slot), if you recall Gaines Adams was traded for a 2nd to the Bears after year two and if any team in the league knew where VHIII stood these past few years as far as chance to be a valuable 9 million dollar player in year 5 it should have been Licht and the Bucs.

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      • Speaking of the Saints draft – in 2016 they picked up Michael Thomas in the 2nd round after the Bucs picked Hargreaves and Spence. Yep the 2016 draft for the Bucs didn’t pan out at all.

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    • O oft was gonna pay a 4th and a 6th for Hargreaves, especially knowing we would be releasing him after this year. People think too often that there are teams waiting to throw picks at someone who couldn’t cut it on one of the worst secondaries around. Especially when he’s been hurt his whole career. He’s a low roach waiver claim like the Texans got, Licht didn’t receive any interest in Trade offers so he’s gone.

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      • I’m commenting about last year as the opportunity the Giants had and took with Apple if the Bucs had a GM with the ability to see that Hargreaves wasn’t in the plan long term. This year was too late because teams know he’ll be cut before his option takes effect next year so it’s a short term rental for a guy. The opportunity to get something for him was missed. No one is saying Hargreaves had much of any value to teams at this point.

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  3. My initial reaction was shock, then I read your views on why this makes sense – right now. Not sure what happened to VHIII after leaving Florida, he was steady always. spectacular many times, then he comes here and plays tentative, sloppy, inconsistent, and irresponsible. Curious to see who takes a chance on him, I’ve seen too many times these midseason cuts comes back and haunt us. I do think the Bucs made the right move, however, the stats & film dont lie.

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    • Mid-season cuts affect other teams as well. Let’s hope some other teams’ cuts become an asset for the Bucs.

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    • Entering their junior years in college, Hargreaves and Ramsey were the #1 and #2 defensive back prospects with Hargreaves being the #1 prospect. Ramsey just kept getting better though and obviously Hargreaves plateaued in his Sophomore year at Florida.

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  4. Now if our GM would just release himself.

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    • Who could possibly downvote this?!?! Must be more of Licht’s secret social media accounts!! Jason Licht is the worst GM in the league. Terrible drafts, terrible free agent classes, terrible roster building, terrible record. How does this clown still have a job? Is he blackmailing the Glazers??? GOOD LORD

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  5. Good riddance! Upon walking out the door he was overheard saying,”Where the white women at?”

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  6. Head was never in the game! Was not a leader out there for the young DBs. Seems like he was more concerned with partying after the game! In fact, I believe JPP was caught on a hot mic scolding him about this very subject two weeks ago! Good move! I was tired of see chasing his man from behind! It’s a start! Go Bucs!

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  7. I don’t think anybody was asking why he was released. The question many of us should be asking is what took so long?

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    • Remember when Scott continued to praise Licht for moving on quickly from his mistakes over the years. Let’s look at the 2016 Draft:

      1. Hargreaves, injured for much of his time here and statistically the worst CB in the league his rookie year had his 9 million dollar option picked this off-season based on nothing but draft status.

      2a. Noah Spence spent all of last season a healthy scratch playing almost no defensive snaps. Only here until this past off-season due to draft status.

      2b. Roberto Aguayo, statistically the worst kicker in the NFL his rookie year makes it to his second camp purely due to draft status while Kyle Brindza, Nick Folk would last weeks on the team because no draft compensation was required to get them.

      4. Ryan Smith is the last person from the 16 class still on the roster. Abysmal in coverage he is purely a ST player.

      5. Caleb Benenoch, one of the worst starting Guards in the league last year was moved to tackle because when you can’t play at Guard surely Tackle will work. Was released in his 4th season (any reason to think he earned that time by being productive or was it draft status that kept him here?)

      Devante Bond was also released in year 4 only after a 4 game suspension for PED’s

      So is there any reason to believe Licht cuts bait quickly on his mistakes? Because despite the entire 2016 NFL Draft being a mistake I could name four players drafted then who made it to year four here without any notable contribution to the team or winning.

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      • Good points made!

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      • wow how in the hell did licht draft so many bums in one year. like wtf. did he even do any research

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        • What’s impressive is not that they weren’t good players for the Bucs but Hargreaves, Aguayo, Smith and Benenoch all had seasons where they were one of the worst players at their position in the entire NFL. Meaning these guys weren’t playing because they beat guys for jobs, they were all worse than street free agents, but were playing in the hopes that they could turn wasted draft capital into something useful. The result was a lot of lost games both figuratively and literally.

          Not a single player from that draft has become an average starter and Dan Vitale, the Bucs 6th Rd FB from Northwestern taken 197th overall that year and has been on the roster of at least 3 NFL teams has played in more NFL games (39) then the 11th overall pick Licht chose the draft Hargreaves (35)

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  8. Thanks for the cogent analysis of the situation, Scott.

    Unlike one of your competitors (whose site name features the letters JBF) you don’t write just to be provocative.

    You don’t cater to trolls and nattering negativists. The articles here at PR spark lively discussion and intelligent commentary from most of the fans who comment.
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    Go Bucs!!!

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  9. Personally i think this is the best thing that could have happened to him, if coaches couldn’t get to you maybe this will. For Vernon , I think, being so close to where you grew up isn’t a good thing, this wake up call will either set him on a path for redemption or condemnation. Good luck to you Hargraves, I hope you turn it around.

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  10. good riddance and BA really sent a message to the team

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  11. I’m sure Mike Smith was involved in drafting Hargraves. Time for Todd and Bruce to make future draft picks

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  12. This guy….
    I can’t come up with the words….
    Then there is the other guy….
    You know…the one who picked him….
    Maybe… just maybe…. the snake needs it’s head cut off first….
    Justa thought…
    After all…. the ENTIRE 2016 DRAFT CLASS WAS WORTHLESS!
    THANK YOU, JASON F’N LICHT!
    My grandmother would have a better clue. Shoot me, please.
    One serious question…
    Name another GM that has HIS track record for an entire draft bust that HAS A JOB RIGHT NOW!?!?!?!?!?!?!
    #FireJasonLicht
    Been saying it for multiple years now….
    Licht is just plain impotent.

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    • Name one guy – Mike Brown Cincinnati. 2015 draft just as bad.
      Of course he is the owner/GM like Jerry Jones in Dallas. So he is not going to fire himself.

      The Glazers should move on from Licht.

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  13. Licht needa a name change…
    Not Jason
    Maurice Ronald Licht
    We can call hime MO-RON LICHT

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  14. Short answer…because he SUCKS

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  15. Noe watch Hargreaves catch on with another NFl team and become a standout. It always happens that way.

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  16. It is what it is! Perhaps… it will send a message to others that nobody is exempt from being cut for not doing their job!

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  17. The Saints or Falcons will pick him up and he’ll intercept Winston like he always did in practice. Typical Buccaneer track record. We are the nation’s farm team.

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    • I was thinking watch the Saints pick him up- he plays this week and plays pro- bowler-esque and intercepts winston like crazy…just the Buc luck…

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    • If he intercepts Winston how would that be a big deal? Everyone intercepts Winston. Hell I was standing in line to buy groceries and caught a ball thrown by Winston

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      • It’s only a big deal because he can’t seem to intercept anyone BUT Winston lol. That’s what makes him the perfect acquisition for our rivals.

        Grocery store. That’s funny! Were you buying crab legs?

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  18. The man had taken him a while, but finally Licht did do the right thing; thank you for at least doing that task right.

    I know some of you are not going to like this, but Lixht going to get another year.
    I’m not happy about it, but it’s going to happen. Our Owners are clueless and that’s the reason.

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  19. Devastate, I have no problem bashing Licht, just get right with your facts.
    Bennonoch was drafted as a RT out if UCLA and was supposed to take Dotson’s place. Light tried to get cute last year by moving him to RG. Bad. Idea.he returned to his natural.position Of RT this year.
    Noah Spence was kept around as long as be was because they felt he was a more natural fit in a 3-4. He also had 6.5 sacks his first year.
    Unfortunately Noah never developed more than onee pass rush move, outside speed rush and at 4.8 that maybe fast for a DE but not for a LB.

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    • If you look at all of the busts in the first round of the 2016 draft, Licht far from the only one who missed on their 1st round draft picks. He’ll always have the Aguayo pick come up no matter what, but he’ll always have the Evans, Howard, Vea, and White picks as well has Godwin, Marpet, Alexander and others that were good picks as well.

      If the Bucs give up on Winston, the Licht haters will more than likely get their wish. Apart from the SF and London games, Winston’s made good progress. If he keeps it up, you’ll hate Licht for keeping Winston as well.

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    • @drdneast Mike Smith was the DC last season followed by Mark Duffner the Bucs were not running a base 3-4 during that time and yet Noah Spence made the team out of camp as a healthy scratch not because Licht had some premonition he was going to hire Bruce Arians Todd Bowles to run a 3-4 the following off-season but because of draft status.

      I would ask you to “get your facts right” because if Jason Licht had the slightest ability to predict things such as surviving a 27-53 record at the end of year 5 and converting to a 3-4 base due to his DC hire he probably would have done a much better job selecting players or free agents to build the team in the first place.

      Caleb Benenoch was an abysmal pass blocker AS A GUARD in the NFL. You don’t get better at pass blocker when moved back out to Tackle. You just don’t. And yes I’m fully aware he was a Jr RT at UCLA who had more to his name as a HS recruit than his film would indicate but being a college RT doesn’t mean that’s your NFL position.

      Jeremy Trueblood and Davin Joseph were both college LT’s for BC and OU respectively before becoming RT and RG. Ali Marpet was the LT at Hobart before becoming the RG, C, LG; your college position along the line is no guarantee that is what your best fit is in the NFL and in Benonoch’s case his best fit was out of the NFL, as that is where he currently is, like most of Licht’s 2016 NFL Draft.

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      • How do you know it was draft status that kept Spence around? Do you work at OBP? Or do you have someone close to you that does?
        We all know that players get moved around after they’re drafted. However let’s realistically look at it. Could George Warhop develop any player? No
        He was credited for Joe Thomas and his progression but that was Joe being a lot better than what they thought. The line about blind squirrel and nut comes to mind.

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        • @knightrider79 can you come up with better arguments?

          Ok so you’re telling me that Noah Spence made the Bucs roster in 2018 and would go on to appear in 12 games, accrue 2 solo tackles and 1 assisted tackle all season because of his special teams value? Is that so? You think they held onto an undersized DE who had absolutely no role on their defense in year 3 for what reason exactly? If he was so valuable to the Bucs special teams or the team in some way other than playing Defense then why didn’t they keep him this year too?

          I’m confused as to why you’re bringing up Warhop since Warhop was fired last year and Benenoch and the line had a brand new Line Coach Joe Gilbert this off-season. So if Benonoch was any good wouldn’t he be on an NFL roster right now after Gilbert “developed him” let alone on the Bucs?

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          • It’s all about potential and with Spence, there were signs that he could be good. They also stayed with Bond during his injury, they’ve stayed with Cichy during his injury as well. Teams will keep a player on the roster if they believe the potential is there. If, after the recovery, they see a dip in production and signs that the potential is no longer their they will move on. It’s called the NFL and it happens all around the league.

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          • My point with bringing up Warhop was simply to say that any player under him wasn’t going to develop. Once real coaches came in they evaluated and moved in from players they felt wouldn’t produce. But under Warhop any player we would’ve drafted in the O-Line would be terrible.

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          • He was injured, also teams keep players due to special teams value. Why do you think Ryan Smith is still on the team

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          • @knightrider79 I’d rather get a root canal than argue with you because that’s the feeling I get when I read your posts, so let me explain one final time in terms you will probably ignore before I let you go:

            2018 was Spence’s 3rd year in the league. How many DE’s that are high draft picks show little to no flashes by year 3 in their career but blow up thereafter? Please, by all means, show me a list of 1st and 2nd round picks that were so bad they couldn’t get on the field for a bad (5-11) team but would turn into a player that the team would later regret giving up on. It’s not a long list and the closest player I can think of is DE Jerry Hughes 1st Rd pick with the Colts. Except Hughes had 41 tackles and 4 sacks in year 3, not a guy who had 3 combined tackles, played 4% of defensive snaps and was summarily beaten out by a guy released by another team that season in Carl Nassib.

            If your premise is that Spence had some great potential he wasn’t showing on the field then I ask where would you get the idea from? Could it be that it was because he was a high second round pick? If Spence was a UDFA who was set to make a million dollars but not in the plans for the defense, minimal role on ST and being passed up by guys the Bucs signed off the street how praytell does he make the team?! How does a player who has no actual role on game day but a contract that is double the minimum stay on the active roster any other way?

            Now I’m sure you’ll ignore what I just wrote so you can repeat some argument that has already been addressed so I wish you the best on your Licht-Loving Journey. It will surely hurt when he leaves us. Specifically it will hurt you and the rest of the NFC South.

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        • Also according to Sportrac Noah Spence made 998,755 last season to basically not play all year as a healthy scratch. The NFL minimum salary is 480,000.

          @knightrider79 do you have another explanation for why the Bucs willingly played twice the price for a guy to sit on the bench all season than if they signed a practice squad who specialized in anything useful last year?

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          • What if they would’ve released him, which I believe while a player is injured with signs of return they can’t do, and that player performs at a high level elsewhere. Then that’ll just be fuel for the fire Licht wagon.

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  20. Another feather in Licht’s cap!

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  21. For all of you trolls who are moaning about ex Bucs going elsewhere to have pro bowl careers in the last ten
    years, other than Michael Bennett, please name them or STFU.

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    • Which should tell you all that you need to know about the wasteland of draft picks and free agency under Dominik and Licht.

      Darelle Revis made a pro bowl and won a Super Bowl after Licht cut him in order to use his cap room on Alterraun Verner and pick another free agent bust from that year (Anthony Collins?). Belichik thanks you.

      Aquib Talib went to Pro Bowls for 5 straight years from 2013-2017 once Belichick traded a 4th round pick to the Bucs. Talib would later help the Broncos win SB 50.

      While technically never a Buc, the second pick of the 4th round in 2015 earned by being the worst team in football was traded by Jason Licht to the Patriots for 2 seasons of Logan Mankins. That pick would become 2x Super Bowl winner and 90 million dollar man Trey Flowers. Belichick thanks you Jason Licht.

      While LeGarrate Blount never went to a Pro Bowl he helped the Patriots win 2 Super Bowls before winning one with the Eagles (ironically against the Patriots) and lead the league with 18 rushing TD’s and over 1161 yards rushing in 2016. Belichick and Howie Roseman thank you.

      Isn’t it kinda funny how some of the few good players who played Tampa would all go on to win Super Bowls including Michael Bennett while the Bucs have missed the postseason every year?

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      • Great post Devasher. Knew it was ugly but is even worse than expected.

        It’s like Belichick trained a secret agent. His only regret is that Bust Licht didn’t end up in the AFC

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      • Yet in your long answer you fail to mention how Talib was in constant legal troubles while he was here. Shooting his sisters boyfriend comes to mind. So the coaching staff had grown tired of it as did the front office and they let him go. That was the wake up call needed for Talib to finally put his crap together.
        You bring up Blount but let’s look at that one too. He was cut by the patriots and bounced around the league for a while. I’m not even sure he’s still in the league at this point. He was also beaten out in New England by Danny Woodhead so how great was he? Revise also made $16 million per season and no team would keep him for that amount of money. He was cut and here and even from the patriots. He then resigned with the jets and what did he do while their?

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        • Well @knightrider79 the question was if someone could name ex Bucs who would go on to play in a Pro Bowl. So maybe I brought up Aquib Talib because he went to 5? Like seriously, can you read? Do you understand that the question was about who had a successful career after the Bucs and you, out of defensiveness, for whatever reason have decided to color in the reasons rather than accept that yeah, these guys had good careers outside of Tampa. Is that too hard an ask?

          Did I say something about LeGarrate Blount that wasn’t true? Seriously man, I don’t get you. I provided information and you want to spin the information provided to make some greater point that only you will appreciate. Good job.

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          • I’m simply saying that sometimes a change of scenery can help a player out. If you don’t believe me just look at Steve Young, Brett Favre, and Chris Carter for examples. Those players left for various reasons and became hall of famers. Yet while they were with their original teams they didn’t produce outside of Carter who was released because he, like Talib, was a disciplinary issue.

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  22. So funny the complete misconception that VH3 was ever a press man corner at Florida.
    It irritates me to no end that people keep saying this.
    VH3 has had zero reps and has zero film of EVER playing pressan coverage successfully.

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  23. Great article, Scott! Explained the situation very well.

    Licht and company did a good job giving VH3 every opportunity to establish himself as a premier NFL corner as a top draft pick and have arrived at this decision properly imo. The only regret Licht should have is hanging on to Mike Smith and Brent Grimes too long when it was clear they both needed to go earlier.

    As far as regretting the draft pick of VH3 or blasting Licht for the results of the 2016 draft?? No. VH3 was a consensus too CB that year and for a fanbase that whines about edge rushers, Spence addressed that need in addition to the free agent signings of DL.

    Hope the young secondary is somehow inspired by their increased opportunity to get out there and make some plays! They certainly won’t have VH3 in their way anymore and they hopefully have gotten the message clearly now that we don’t car where you’re drafted or even IF you were drafted. We want 100% hustle and effort out there!

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  24. Smh. This GM (gets no acknowledgement here) keeps setting us bacc five years for every draft class he fails at. We literally have no foundation from all this draft piccs. That’s why we’re always in the same situation year by year. And then some beat writers praise a man from knowing his mistakes then “correcting” them by making cuts. Praised for moving on from a bad situation (he created by the wsy) but the situation is the same. Can’t move on from a mistake unless you rectify your mistake first. There’s a reason there’s a lot holes on this team. He can’t draft.
    Side note: when a coach is on the hot seat or things aren’t going accordingly, we see them fire other coaches underneath him. Position coachs and coordinaters. How come we never here about people in the front office having the same fate. Scouts, directors, and whoever else is up. So no matter what until they’re fired they can keep collecting checcs. Hmm…… That’s awfully cushy. Because if I was the GM and I didn’t have a clue like this guy. The people around me can’t also be inept. Everybody has to go. First on the list scouts. Second a respectable advisor. Anything to make him look smart. But then again there’s no hot seat, he just got 5yrs smh.
    Bacc to our building bloccs.

    2014: 1st Mike Evan’s
    No one else from this draft class

    2015: 1st Jameis Winston
    2nd Donovan Smith, Ali Marpet
    No one else from this draft class

    2016: 4rd Ryan Smith
    5rd Caleb Benenoch
    No one else from this draft class

    2017: 1st *OJ Howard
    2nd *Justin Evans
    3rd Chris Godwin, *Kendawell B.
    None one else from this draft class
    *predicting they’ll be with new teams next year

    Last two drafts are still early in their careers.

    Just look at the first four draft classes of his tenure. Talent cupboard is pretty bare. He’s hit on exactly 1 first rounder, 1 second rounder, 1 fourth rounder but he’s not listed because he doesn’t play for us and 1 third rounder.
    And us Bucs fans have to do all this over again. Just hoping these last two draft classes sticc. With my glass half empty, I don’t even demand any pro bowlers or more. I just want some guys to sticc as solid starters for once. Build through the draft and try to build up some talent for once.

    TONY ROMO for GM
    Campaign start

    If John “Jacc your Jaw” Lynch can do it

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    • I would say 2015 was a good draft – if all you got out of it 5 years later was a hall of famer. I still have hope in the 2017 draft, considering Howard, Godwin, and Evans are starters (injuries aside). What can you really say about Beckwith and his injury? 2015 was a decent to good draft with two solid starters on the OL, and Winston still might…we’ll see about him at the end of the year. And btw, they signed Cameron Brate in 2015 undrafted. Good call on that one.

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  25. and how long will it take for the Patriots to sign him and watch him be the MVP of the Super Bowl?

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  26. A pick is far from Guarantee and a lot goes on a players mind once gets to a NFL.

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