Bucs QB Jameis Winston - Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR
Bucs fans and SR’s Fab 5 readers debated the talent acquisition of general manager Jason Licht and if James Winston was worthy of being called a franchise quarterback after Tampa Bay’s loss to Los Angeles. What does PewterReport.com publisher and Bucs beat writer Scott Reynolds have to say? Find out right here.
Welcome to another installment of SR’s Fab 5 Reaction where every week I take the time to answer your questions and respond to your comments from the previous week’s SR’s Fab 5 column. Due to time constraints from my responsibilities as publisher, I am unable to respond to every reader comment each week, but I do read every one of them.
Comments have only been edited for clarity and grammar. Now on to your comments.
Topics in last week’s SR’s Fab 5 include: Inside The Bucs’ 2-Minute Drill vs. Rams; Inside The Bucs’ Final Play Against The Rams; Bucs Don’t Have Enough Talented Winners Yet; Spence Is A Work In Progress
That was an interesting SR’s Fab 5. I thought the zebras missed a few other calls during the game. I know they can’t see everything but some were blatant penalties.
Not calling the time out really pissed me off. Come on, man. Get with the program.
Chemistry and the culture will change, as long as Dirk Koetter keeps telling it like it is. No smoke. No B.S.
Total honestly and accountability will bring these guys around. I’m not a big Bill Belichick fan, but that’s how he does it. No B.S. – just do your job. Sometimes I think that football players are to mollycoddled for their own good.
The team has a gut check coming up. Grown men own up to their shortcomings and I see that is the case with the Bucs.
I’ve been thinking about the ASJ thing all week. Maybe the Bucs could have put him in rehab and tried to help him with his illness. It’s a tough call anyway you look at it. Hopefully he doesn’t have animosity toward the Bucs. He had his chances. Or, at least I hope he had chances. It’s a hard thing to tell your employer that you can’t stop drinking. Best of luck, ASJ.
Go Bucs. Still love you. Always will. – chetthevette
I too appreciate Dirk Koetter’s no-B.S. approach, chetthevette. I think he’s done a good job of communicating with the players and they appreciate his honesty. His approach is that of a more talkative Bill Belichick and I think it resonates well with the team. That trust will buy Koetter time until this team wins, but it has to win for the players to remain buying what he’s selling.
You’re right in saying that Austin Seferian-Jenkins had his chances. I’m a big believer in personal responsibility and not blaming others for your problems. Seferian-Jenkins didn’t hold himself personally accountable and I think Koetter and general manager Jason Licht did the right thing for the team over the long haul by parting ways with this talented, yet troubled player. It was important for Koetter, a first-year head coach to send a message to the team that either you get serious about winning or it’s out the door. – SR
Hey SR, stop making excuses for Jameis Winston. While on one hand you say he is inaccurate, which he is, you excuse him by saying they should have called time out to calm him down.
Bucs K Roberto Aguayo – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR
Bottom line, everyone sold us fans that Winston is a franchise QB. If he were, he would have found a way to win that game.
And what about the hole that our kicker put us in? Roberto Aguayo was a major reason we lost the Rams game. Do you not want to address that because you supported Jason Licht drafting him?
I used to think you all did objective analysis, I now think you’re a shill for the team. I like you guys a lot and respect you, but feel like you have lost perspective given your full-throated support of Licht, Winston and Aguayo. – Bucnut2
I’m not making any excuses for Jameis Winston by pointing out that he was 1-of-6 for 12 yards when the Rams game was on the line. Yes, Dirk Koetter should have called a timeout in hindsight, and yes, the refs should have thrown a flag on Rams defensive tackle Michael Brockers on the last play for illegal contact on tight end Cameron Brate. But Winston should have hit a wide-open Vincent Jackson for a game-winning touchdown or a wide-open Charles Sims right after that missed opportunity.
Winston does get too excitable and I was suggesting that in hindsight Koetter’s timeout might have done just as much good in getting Winston settled down, as it would have stopping the clock. No excuses there.
As for Aguayo, yes, he has to make the extra point and the 41-yard field goal. I addressed that in my 2-Point Conversion column and will do it again here. He has to make those kicks – rookie or not.
Yes, I did support Jason Licht’s decision to draft Winston and Aguayo and there is some shakiness to the Aguayo decision right now. I can objectively say that, and I’m far from being a shill for the team. I’m going to wait more than four games to draw some concrete conclusions about this 2016 season, but if some people that I’ve editorially supported – Licht, Winston, Aguayo and Koetter – buckle and don’t perform you can bet I’m going to call them out. After all, I chose to publish your comment. – SR
I don’t think SR was making any excuses, quite the contrary. I was ambivalent about the non-called timeout, but now that I know what Dirk Kotter was trying to accomplish. I completely agree with the strategy because it would have worked except for the overthrown ball.
Winston has to learn how to stay more composed and get less excitable. Perhaps Mike Glennon can give him a clue as to how he remains so dormant all the time.
However, what lost the Rams game wasn’t Winston, who had to toss the ball close to 60 times. It was our new and improved defensive scheme and anemic pass rush.
Bucs Ss Chris Conte and Bradley McDougald – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR
When I heard this defense was more complex than our previous defense – what wouldn’t be? – I stated at the time that wasn’t the greatest thing in the world since we don’t have a lot of members of MENSA playing on that side of the ball.
Sure enough, it seems to be what has gotten this team in the most trouble as we have seen numerous big plays come to fruition due to blown coverages and miscommunication, mainly from the cornerbacks.
Still, I do have hope for this team if it can improve in making sure everyone is on the same page as far as the coverages being called. Also, I saw one play where Gerald McCoy was dropped back into coverage and I hope they never do that lunacy again.
As far as team captains our concerned, I just don’t have too much faith in McCoy. I saw his team speech last week and it sounded like he was leading his team into a church service, not battle, which is what an NFL game is.
Somehow the team needs a leader who is a starter on defense that can deliver a fiery speech and lead like Winston can with the offense. Kwon Alexander, anyone? – drdneast
It was important to explain in detail why Dirk Koetter didn’t use a timeout after Charles Sims failed to get out of bounds after his 12-yard catch – not necessarily opine if it was the right thing to do. Glad you understood that, drdneast.
Yes, the Bucs defense is a work in progress, and it is a more complex scheme under Mike Smith than it was under Lovie Smith. Part of the problem is the lack of experience in the scheme as Tampa Bay has played just four games in the new defense. The other part of the problem is that the Bucs lack enough talent to overcome some communication issues, especially in the secondary.
Safety is a weakness on the team right now, and starting cornerback Brent Grimes is clearly on the downside of his career. Leadership in terms of stepping up and making plays when it counts is also a big issue. I think you are on the right track with the suggestion of Kwon Alexander stepping up. I write about him extensively in this week’s upcoming SR’s Fab 5. – SR
There is a big misunderstanding by many of our Bucs fans about what is meant by calling someone a franchise quarterback. A franchise quarterback is a quarterback who has shown he can operate at a high level of performance over many years. Jameis Winston is not there yet! He won’t be next week or next month, either.
He may or may not actually perform at that level by the end of this season. He has much to learn and much plain old experience to acquire over time in order to reach his potential.
Just go back and check out a franchise quarterback named Brett Favre. He threw many interceptions early on in his career. Check out Drew Brees’ career, too. When would anyone be able to say he had earned the “franchise” label? In the middle of his second season? After his third? His fourth? The labels are always easy to assign in retrospect.
My point is that it always premature to call an NFL quarterback a “franchise QB” before at minimum two years. It is not really likely to be valid until after three or four years.
Anyway, Winston has shown a tendency to overthrow his target frequently in his first 19 games. He may have gotten away with those throws in college, but he can’t in the pros. I am sure that his coaches are working with him to break bad habits. This is why the word “repetitions” is so prevalent in coachspeak.
Patience with Winston and with the team is needed. They are working their butts off. Keep up your support. Don’t expect miracles this year. – XpfcWintergreen
Good point, XpfcWintergreen. Was it too early to call Jameis Winston a franchise quarterback? Should we have said he has the makings of being a franchise quarterback instead?
Perhaps we should have pumped the brakes on Winston a bit, but I’ll continue to bet on him because he’s a highly intelligent player. He’s in a sophomore slump with 10 turnovers in the first four games, but he’ll get it figured out and turn it around due to his desire to be great and his competitiveness.
The reason he got tabbed as a “franchise QB” so early was easy. He was drafted to be that as the first overall pick and delivered a 4,000-yard season that ended with two touchdown passes in the Pro Bowl, breaking several Bucs rookie records a long the way. Also, Tampa Bay has been yearning for a franchise quarterback for the last 40 years, so it’s easy to proclaim Winston just that out of desperation. – SR
When you lose a lot then you have to look who has been the most involved in all those losses the last three years? Only one name comes up for me – general manager Jason Licht.
Bucs GM Jason Licht – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR
Oh, he’s hit on some picks, but has also blown others. I guess I can never prove he pulled the trigger early on some of our picks by using other draft picks to move up. I know he is learning as a young GM, but I hope he has learned from some of his mistakes. We need to acquire more draft picks, not less.
Nobody wants Mike Glennon – get something for him, please. The real problem is we still don’t have enough quality players because we’re still starting back ups as starters from the get go. I’m trying to figure how we are going to get to six wins this seasons; somewhere we’re going to have to beat a good team. Go Bucs! – Horse
Jason Licht is not above criticism, Horse. He clearly missed on tight end Austin Seferian-Jenkins the person more so than the player with his first second-round pick as general manager back in 2014. His second-round picks this year – defensive end Noah Spence and kicker Roberto Aguayo – have done little to live up to their hype, although it’s really early. Spence has just one sack and got hurt against Denver, while Aguayo was in a preseason slump and missed a critical extra point and field goal against Los Angeles.
I’ve been a big fan of a lot of Licht’s personnel moves thus far. He’s added a lot of talent to this team in the three years he’s been here – more than his predecessors Bruce Allen and Mark Dominik did. A true evaluation of his draft classes can’t be made until the next year or two, but I believe he has more hits than misses right now. Yet if the scales flip and he winds up with more misses than hits that will not escape my attention.
As for Mike Glennon, you say nobody wants him (meaning Bucs fans, I presume), but then you want Licht to get something for him? I don’t think he has much trade value after a less than stellar showing in the 2014 regular season and the last two preseasons. In fact, I think there’s a 50-50 chance that there may not be a big market for his services in the offseason and he re-signs with Tampa Bay in the offseason. We’ll see. – SR
Scott Reynolds is in his 23rd year of covering the Tampa Bay Buccaneers as the vice president, publisher and senior Bucs beat writer for PewterReport.com. Author of the popular SR's Fab 5 column on Fridays, Reynolds oversees web development and forges marketing partnerships for PewterReport.com in addition to his editorial duties. A graduate of Kansas State University in 1995, Reynolds enjoys giving back to the community as the defensive line coach for his sons' Pop Warner team, the South Pasco Predators. Reynolds can be reached at: firstname.lastname@example.org
General theme through the site commenters you responded to: they’re all trying to make judgments of people, teams, and schemes based upon a grand total of one quarter of one season. No can do. Yeah, sure, some of these guys may have had the same opinions from the get go so they’re chomping at the bit to say “I told you so!”, which is why they’re jumping to conclusions.
Message to all the “experts”: Tell me your analysis after the season .. until then it’s a work in progress.
On another topic, the notion of “is Jameis Winston a franchise quarterback?” is in essence a silly exercise. In the sense that the franchise specifically went to great effort to evaluate Winston and other players, and then to use him with our first, first overall draft pick since Vinny Testaverde, then yes, by all means he is our “franchise quarterback”.
Will Jameis Winston reward the effort and selection and coaching directed his way, and continue to be our franchise quarterback beyond his first contract, perhaps even a lengthy NFL career? Who the hell knows. There’s tons of “ex-franchise-quarterbacks” in recent NFL history. Back to my first point above: only time will tell.
It seems to me that Winston will be just fine. How many games would we have won if the players around him “did their job”? Light cannot draft a whole team in three years. The back end of our defense has a problem. We cannot fix that this year. I don’t think any of you thought that the Bucs were going to the SuperBowl this year. I see a better team this year than last. I for one do not feel that interceptions matter if we win so Winston must keep trying. Each game is a season to me. We beat Atlanta and we can beat Carolina. Go Bucs!!!
Gee, Scott “He’s added a lot of talent to this team in the three years he’s been here – more than his predecessors Bruce Allen and Mark Dominik did”…I really didn’t like Dom as a personnel guy, and it pains me to defend him, but here’s a list (yes, it’s 5 years of Dom versus 3 of Licht):
Dom Draft (guys that have had significant playing time – I’ll use that as an impartial judgment):
Doug Martin; Lavonte David; Gerald McCoy; Roy Miller; Erik Lorig; Dakota Watson; Mike Williams; Luke Stocker; Mason Foster; Adrian Clayborn; Keith Tandy; Josh Freeman; Mike James; Will Gholston; Akeem Spence; Mike Glennon; Jonathan Banks. Of those, we have 3 ProBowlers and 10 guys still on the team (even though its been 3 years since he was around here).
Dom Free Agents (however acquired) (notable playing time again):
Darrelle Revis;Vincent Jackson; Donald Penn; Demar Dotson; Conor Barth; LeGarette Blount; Bradley McDougald. Of those 3 are still on the team, VJax is our franchise’s all-time best WR, and we had a sure fire HoFer in Revis until someone cut him.
Dom trades (same criteria):
K2. Not much to see there.
Licht Draft (same criteria):
Mike Evans; Charles Sims; Kevin Pamphile (maybe); Kwon Alexander; Ali Marpet; Donovan Smith; Jameis Winston; VHIII; Noah Spence; Aguayo; R Smith (maybe). It’s early days but we have 1 ProBowler and Evans certainly could be #2. Kwon looks like hit, VHIII looks good for a rookie…the rest only time will tell.
Licht FAs (same criteria):
Adam Humphries; Cameron Brate; Josh McCown; Gosder Cherilus; Chirs Conte, J Smith; Brian Anger; Robert Ayers; Brent Grimes. Not much to see there (maybe Ayers will come around).
Licht Trades (same criteria):
So, overall, I think Licht and Dom are sitting firmly in good company together. I don’t think it was fair to say Dom left the cupboard bare, and I don’t think it’s fair to say Licht is doing so much better than Dom….I think they both made a lot of head scratching decisions. A few of Licht’s so far:
– drafting Sims ahead of Gabe Jackson when we desperately needed an OG and only 1 was off the board at that point.
– drafting ASJ (if DUIs were going to be a line we drew with players (and I’m not saying they shouldn’t be) then why did we draft ASJ when he already had a DUI at UW…where was the line on draft day)
– cutting ASJ
– the trade-up for Aguayo when we already had Barth
– cutting Revis and his incredibly cap-friendly deal
– doing nothing significant at Safety this offseason (maybe Smith will come around in due course, but not this year)
– wasting late round picks on backup FBs, and WRs with no-hands (I’m not saying this part of the draft is easy, but those decisions make absolutely no sense….why not take a flyer on Lael Collins?)
– cutting Donald Penn….so that we could replace him with a rookie that came with the rap-line “has potential at OG in the NFL”
Juts a lot of head scratchers….and I could do a similar list for Dom too – again he’s not in anyway my ideal GM…I just think it’s a little more even between these guys.
Oh nuts – I always forget Revis was a trade not a FA….just move his name to the next category…same point.
and note, I gave Dom no credit for (and Licht no slight for) Mark Barron (a current starter for the Rams thanks to Licht’s decision), nor did I give Dom credit for signing Carl Nicks due to his injury shortened time with us, despite the fact that he played great for the few games he was on the field….
yuk, defending Dom feels like eating something I shouldn’t have….but couldn’t let the Licht vs Dom praise go unchecked.
East end boy, I agree with almost everything you said except taking a flyer on Collins. Once he fell past the 2nd round his agent contacted all team interested and let them know that if they drafted Collins that Collins would sit out the year and reenter the draft next year. That’s why no team took a flyer on him in the late rounds. It would have been a waste of pick, not that we did any better with the pick.
Thanks @wnb0395 – I know the story of his agent contacting teams. After the draft his agent came out and said that his calls were “an obvious bluff” and that “he would be crazy to advise his client to sit out a year…that would never have happened”.
So yes, it would have been a clear gamble…a bold move one might say…instead we selected a backup FB, with extremely limited special teams ability, that had exactly zero chance of making our roster…and indeed was cut at the first post. It’s those sort of decisions that get me upset as a fan…not the selection of VHIII for example (if by some chance he busted), because we need help in the secondary (desperately), and VHIII was clearly the best CB in the draft by all accounts (unless you are for some odd reason the Giants….who are regretting that view already).
Licht just doesn’t seem to have a plan for things…he seems to float in the wind and get caught off guard (like Martin going down without a clear backup, even though he has a history of getting injured)…
I’ve said for last year there is no market for Glennon as a starter. That’s because he isn’t starter material! You can throw up all your stats comparing him to Osweiler that you want to. He stinks is bottom line. No mobility and prone to fumbles.
have we been wearing White jerseys at because of heat?
Yes, we will wear the white until probably the Raiders game. I personally don’t think it can mean much. Sure hasn’t helped on the scoreboard the past few years.
have we been wearing White jerseys at home because of heat?
All I care about is that throughout the season the team shows that they are improving atleast. A winning season would be nice but I know this is the first year under Koetter so I’ll be behind him as long as they show improvement throughout the season.
Pink website must go. It looks terrible.
It’s pink for Breast Cancer Awareness Month.
Yeah, I know. It still looks terrible and should be dumped ASAP. We’re already aware of breast cancer. Everybody’s aware of breast cancer. NFL in October has pink up to the eyeballs. It sucks.
Mark Barron was drafted as a safety and was traded to the Rams to be a safety. He now plays LB for the Rams. We didn’t draft Barron to be a LB. For that reason, the draft pick was a bust, especially when you consider Luke Kueckly was sitting there. You also left out Kyle Moore who was a three or a four pick.
Also, you forgot the inscrutable Daquawn Bowers who we squandered a No, 2 pick on.
As far as ASJ is concerned, one DUI doesn’t make you an alcoholic but two do, especially if they are within five years of each other. The state pretty much feels the same way.
Besides, it has pretty much been hinted by the Bucs that they tried to get ASJ help. ASJ is still in denial. No one can tell if a player is an alcoholic or has a problem with drinking due to one DUI. The world is full of people with one DUI who aren’t alcoholics.
I have said before that I was ambivalent about Licht using a No. 2 on Arroyo, but the more I see of Arroyo and the shortcomings we continue have on defense, the more inclined to believe the teams needs would have been better suited by drafting a safety or a DL.
Overall, I think Licht has still done a better job in the draft than Dominick.
One of the reasons we are in the situation we are in now is all the high draft picks Dominick used on improving the DL and none of them, for good reason, are here.
Always like your take on things Dr. D. As with all GM’s; Licht and his staff are making choices they believe are the best at the time they make them. Many folks here who are in management positions hire the candidate who they believe is the best choice for the job opening. Sometimes they work out and sometimes the don’t.
Free Agency is like choosing a date leading up to the Prom. All of the pretty girls have dates and no longer sitting on the side of their bed waiting for the phone to ring so you end up taking what you can get. Ok, she’s a bit homely………..maybe she’s a good cook.
Drafting is more like choosing a bride. The young girl has all of the qualities you seek. Nice figure, bubbly personality, laughs at your jokes, good job, intelligent, no bad habits, and gets along with your friends. Did I mention nice figure? You draft her in the first round thinking you have a real keeper. All of your friends and family like her too. They are thrilled when your choice is announced. A few months go by and for some unknown reason, she thinks your quips are immaturity, quits her job to take a cooking class with her new friends, keeps up on the days events by watching Dr. Phil, sips wine all day, finds fault with everyone especially your old buddies and then her once cute shape becomes a pear. Who knew?
Great analogy Scubog.
I guess your post is in response to mine (just a note, you can hit “reply” under a post if you want to say something in direct response).
Yes, there were clearly many players that I did not list (Kyle Moore and Daquan Bowers)…but as I said in the post, I didn’t want to get into a debate about who was a bust (which I understand you feel Mark Barron was….the Rams do not, in his hybrid LB/Safety role) and who wasn’t (not sure if you’re saying ASJ wasn’t?). Instead I just listed the guys that had significant playing time with us (good or bad)…maybe I should have included Bowers but it seemed like he was on the sidelines more than on the field…but in any event, that would have been in favor of Dom (again I understand you think he was a bust, but the point of the list was, again, just based on playing time so as to not have some big debate about whether Pamphile is good or bad).
As for Dom’s attempts at DL with “high draft picks” (again, I can’t believe I’m defending Dom), “none of them, for good reason, are here” …I give you Gerald McCoy (and drop the mic).
My reply to meant for drdneast EEB. But I guess it’s a universal one about acquiring players.
LOL – so was mine @scubog…always glad to hear your thoughts on the Bucs!
Scott there is absolutely nothing about this team that Licht has “improved” other Jameis falling into his lap after assembling a 2 win team. He drafted a #1 WR only to cut a #1 CB. He drafted Marpet as a result of trading Zuttah. Not to mention the Bruce Carters, Oneil Cousins and the busted pair of Bengals year 1. Dom is nothing to write home about but neither is Licht.
thanks for making the point much more succinctly than I did…
Time will tell about Licht. We can do comparisons all day long about past GM’s but to me it’s the past and what’s it matter now? I was very impressed last year with Licht. Now im very much on the fence. The kicker thing really irritated me. Just didn’t have good feeling about it. We were not a team on verge of a super bowl. We are a young team with so many needs and he squandered that pick.
There seems to be a fair amount of talk about specific pieces of the team, but I think there is enough talent there right now to be competitive. The problem seems to be more schematic. The high-risk, high-reward passing game puts a lot of pressure on Winston, especially without Doug in the backfield. I hope that there is more of an effort to work toward more efficient plays to control the clock, gain first downs and keep the defense off of the field. I think Licht is our guy and will fill out the depth on this team. I hope that he’s leaping in his pool in his suit for years to come.
stlbucsfan, Lovie Smith had final say so on all roster moves in his first year. Not sure about the second but I think he still did then. It was in his contract.
Licht would never had been able to get rid of Reavis if Smith hadn’t wanted him gone.
The rational for getting rid of Reavis by Smith was he could get three good players for the price of one. And it was Smith’s decision to get rid of Reavis because of his cap hit for that stated reason and it was reported as such at the time.
Please don’t try to rewrite history.
Much could be said about the FA’s we picked up in the first year but the final decision to go with those players was Smith’s. He had final say so on the roster.
It was also Smith’s decision to get rid of and bust out our OL. A bad idea since we have had to draft players to replace them since.
EastEndBoy, picking McCoy was a no brainer but even so 1 out of 5 on DL gives you a .200 BA. Not bad if you want to start for the Rays
Barron is not a “hybrid” safety/LB with the Rams. He is a LB. He is a bust as a safety pure and simple. Much like Eric Lorig was a bust as a DL but an okay FB.
We also passed on Luke Kueckly when we took Barron. That was a huge mistake because we had the plodding slow Mason Foster at MLB who was never meant to play in a 4-3 as a MLB and never had. 4.9 speed in the 40 I believe. He is doing average as an ILB in Washington in a 3-4.
Thanks for your support Scubog and I too like your analogy although I’m not sure my ex, mom, daughters or sister would. My current gf would care-a-less which is why she is my girlfriend.
How many FA’s have gone bust in the NFL. They are countless. Somehow a big fat bank account takes the hunger to play at a high level out of many NFL veteran players.
Jason Licht will be judged on the players he brought in regardless of what the HC recommended. If the owners wanted Lovie handling personnel decisions then they would’ve made him HC and GM. If a GM isn’t smart enough to recognize cutting an All Pro CB to sign a backup DE, a backup T and a decent CB is a bad move,then we have the wrong man for the job. If we hire a GM that can’t see the value in a young versatile OL(Zuttah) then we have the wrong guy. If the GM can’t see that a young team needing talent can’t afford picks to be wasted on kickers, kick return specialist, and a 2nd FB then we have the wrong guy. I won’t absolve Licht from the responsibilities his job entails and if he took advice year 1 from a guy that spent the year prior in his basement then he’s not the guy for the job. I absolutely agree that Barron was a wasted pick but he was salvageable which is the point I think EastEndBoy was trying to make. Of course we should’ve drafted Kuechly but that doesn’t mean Barron was completely useless. The move SHOULD have been switch Lavonte to MLB, Barron at WLB and move Foster to SLB where he was better suited. Licht did a poor job of assessing the state of the team he inherited and has spent the better part of 3 years covering up errors he made from day one. As a result you have a football team much different but no better than the one he inherited 3 years ago, which our 1-3 and soon to be worse record indicates.
Let’s go in order…
1) your exact quote was “none of them, for good reason, are here”…to which I merely pointed out that one of the top DTs in the league is indeed “here”….no comments were made on “no-brainers” be they GMC (or Winston or Evans or VHIII)….nor on whether any of the other DL choices were good or bad (I understand you think they were all busts, probably not everyone in the league agrees).
2) you can have whatever opinion you want about Barron, the facts are that he did have significant playing time for us, he wasn’t considered a bust by Dom (it was Licht that got rid of him), and the Rams describe him as “LB/S” followed by “SS” on his page (so fact is he’s either a hybrid or a strong safety…according to the Rams, if we can accept their view as the fact, which I understand you may not, and that’s fine again to be your opinion). I personally am not a huge Barron fan, but I’m just stating the facts.
3) Eric Lorig was also a starter for us for multiple seasons. Again, you can have whatever opinion you want of whether Dom picked him as a DE or a FB, but the fact is that he played for us for multiple seasons. Same for Foster.
4) Dom made all sorts of head scratching decisions….I am not defending Dom as some sort of fabulous GM (I think I was pretty clear about that)…many of the same sort of decisions that Licht has been making too.
I understand that you think a lot of the guys Dom picked were bad choices…and many of them were….believe me, nobody was more critical of Dom’s work on this site than me over the years….all I’m saying is that if you stack up what he did against what Licht has done (not just who has chosen but who he passed up and why) in the draft, FA and trades, it looks like a pretty similar bag of “not that great”. Yes Dom got us Martin, LvD and GMC and yes Licht has found Evans, Winston and VHIII…they aren’t all terrible, but their full body of works look pretty similarly bad.
So, IMO, Licht deserves no praise right now…I’m not saying he’s the reason we’re losing, I’m just saying that he hasn’t been some sort of 10-out-of-10 versus Dom’s 2-out-of-10.
I’ve tried to never think about Barron instead of Keukly.
Now I got a head ache.
Ya…I was screaming at the TV for Dom to take Keuchly…loved him at BC…oh well…
Expectations were too high, too soon. That’s the bottom line here. We drafted a franchise QB and expected everything else to fall into place immediately. That’s just not realistic at all. Licht has had 3 drafts and has had his share of hits and misses. The hits have been big and the misses, well none have hurt us TOO bad except maybe the trade up for Aguayo.
As for Jameis, he’s playing like a 2nd year QB with flashes of a franchise QB. He doesn’t have a full supporting cast yet, but he’s done pretty well and shown his potential with what he’s got.
We’re dealing with A LOT of injuries through the first quarter of the season and that’s hurt us a lot. This is our first season under a new defensive scheme which will also take time to settle.
Give it time, don’t abandon ship yet. As they say if you can’t be with us through the rough times, don’t try to be with us when we right the ship. Go Bucs
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