There's a massive delta between "productive starter" and actual good cornerstone players.
Devin White was both an awful pick and a productive starter.
Roseman finds all-pro type players often... Licht finds serviceable players that can start for a team that lacks depth.
Agreed. Roseman also has hired two different coaches that won a Super Bowl. He’s clearly better than Licht.
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But I think Licht does his best work drafting beyond the first three rounds post 2021 which I would argue is what Licht has improved dramatically and helps the team compete just as much if not more. Drafting isn't just about starter quality players as you need depth too.
Walker, Roberts, Johnson, Irving, Klein, Culp, Dennis, Durham, Hayes, Otton, McCollum, Kieft. Finding UDFA finds like Tucker, Williams, Izien, Jackson, JJ Roberts, and Chukwuma helps off set Licht's free agent downfalls the last 4 off seasons so far and that trend is highly likely to continue.
If Licht wasn't so stubborn and use trades like Howie does the Bucs could land an upgrade at third edge rusher without having to burn draft capital again. 4th on Walker last year, 2nd on Braswell the year before, Diaby in the third, and JTS in 2021. 2022 was the lone year the Bucs did NOT draft an edge rusher and this is a huge weakness for Licht.
Licht should definitely trade for a proven edge rusher if it only takes a 4th or 5th to secure a vet to team with Diaby, Muhammad, Walker, and Nelson. No brainer.
Licht should definitely trade for a proven edge rusher if it only takes a 4th or 5th to secure a vet
who were you thinking of?
Licht is in a make or break draft and he's drafting a little earlier than the last 5 years.
Put up or shut up time... We're all at the end of our rope
It is hard to tell what the issue is. Either Bowles sucks, Licht sucks, or they both suck. Given the fact that Licht was able to get a team to the Super Bowl with a different coach and Bowles has always sucked as a head coach I lean towards Bowles sucks.
Before Brady Licht had a losing record with 3 different head coaches. It’s a 4th coach’s fault?
He's obviously to blame for Lovie.
and Famous Jameis
If memory serves me correct, Beckwith was on his way to being a productive starter.....then the offseason happened, he was in that car accident that basically wrecked his ankle/foot, and he never recovered and was out of the NFL a season to a season and a half later. That was your one player and he showed flashes of being productive before all that happened to him.
This is correct. I would stack his drafts up against the best head-to-head against all GMs in the NFL. I bet he is somewhere in between better to marginally better than most. He can't seem to figure out Free Agency.Licht doesn't have a problem with drafts. He has a problem with free agents and when to extend players.
Again, exactly right. The Bowles issue is not a Licht issue. Bowles would suck with the Seattle team. Bowles would suck with New England's team. Bowles' reputation as a good DC is the only thing that is remotely accurate about him. Sooner or later, the Glazers will realize that - if they haven't already.It is hard to tell what the issue is. Either Bowles sucks, Licht sucks, or they both suck. Given the fact that Licht was able to get a team to the Super Bowl with a different coach and Bowles has always sucked as a head coach I lean towards Bowles sucks.
Again, exactly right. The Bowles issue is not a Licht issue. Bowles would suck with the Seattle team. Bowles would suck with New England's team. Bowles' reputation as a good DC is the only thing that is remotely accurate about him. Sooner or later, the Glazers will realize that - if they haven't already.It is hard to tell what the issue is. Either Bowles sucks, Licht sucks, or they both suck. Given the fact that Licht was able to get a team to the Super Bowl with a different coach and Bowles has always sucked as a head coach I lean towards Bowles sucks.
So why was the season over in October when Arians was HC?
Bowles is 61-74 overall. He is 35-33 here in Tampa. Please explain to everyone why you think he's great? Licht is tracking at somewhere between 70-80% based on the metric @bucsbits showed using the Eagles GM as the baseline in his job - which is to draft players and to try and sign effective FAs. He's every bit as bad as Bowles is at Free Agency, but he's in the top percentile when it comes to drafting effective players. Bowles is 45% by record. So again, explain why you think Licht is the problem and Bowles is not?Again, exactly right. The Bowles issue is not a Licht issue. Bowles would suck with the Seattle team. Bowles would suck with New England's team. Bowles' reputation as a good DC is the only thing that is remotely accurate about him. Sooner or later, the Glazers will realize that - if they haven't already.It is hard to tell what the issue is. Either Bowles sucks, Licht sucks, or they both suck. Given the fact that Licht was able to get a team to the Super Bowl with a different coach and Bowles has always sucked as a head coach I lean towards Bowles sucks.
So why was the season over in October when Arians was HC?
So 75% > 45%. Licht has provided the talent. Bowles cannot coach it.
This is a terrible “test”
Just because a players “starts” for us (a .500 team) doesn’t equal to a player who “starts” for a perrenial contender in the Eagles.
How many bonafide stats has Licht drafted. High tier players on our roster, right now. I only count 1 and that’s Tristan Wirfs. Our second best player might very well be our kicker.
our roster is very void of high caliber players.
Again, exactly right. The Bowles issue is not a Licht issue. Bowles would suck with the Seattle team. Bowles would suck with New England's team. Bowles' reputation as a good DC is the only thing that is remotely accurate about him. Sooner or later, the Glazers will realize that - if they haven't already.It is hard to tell what the issue is. Either Bowles sucks, Licht sucks, or they both suck. Given the fact that Licht was able to get a team to the Super Bowl with a different coach and Bowles has always sucked as a head coach I lean towards Bowles sucks.
So why was the season over in October when Arians was HC?
"first NFL quarterback to throw 30+ touchdowns and 30 interceptions in a single season."
Again, exactly right. The Bowles issue is not a Licht issue. Bowles would suck with the Seattle team. Bowles would suck with New England's team. Bowles' reputation as a good DC is the only thing that is remotely accurate about him. Sooner or later, the Glazers will realize that - if they haven't already.It is hard to tell what the issue is. Either Bowles sucks, Licht sucks, or they both suck. Given the fact that Licht was able to get a team to the Super Bowl with a different coach and Bowles has always sucked as a head coach I lean towards Bowles sucks.
So why was the season over in October when Arians was HC?
"first NFL quarterback to throw 30+ touchdowns and 30 interceptions in a single season."
So it’s Licht’s fault. You admit it.,
Again, exactly right. The Bowles issue is not a Licht issue. Bowles would suck with the Seattle team. Bowles would suck with New England's team. Bowles' reputation as a good DC is the only thing that is remotely accurate about him. Sooner or later, the Glazers will realize that - if they haven't already.It is hard to tell what the issue is. Either Bowles sucks, Licht sucks, or they both suck. Given the fact that Licht was able to get a team to the Super Bowl with a different coach and Bowles has always sucked as a head coach I lean towards Bowles sucks.
So why was the season over in October when Arians was HC?
You mean in his first year when he went 7-9? The same record Bowles
Bruce:
7-9
11-5 Super Bowl
13-4
Todd:
8-9
9-8
9-8
8-9
I am seeing a pattern, but not a good one. A mediocre stuck in the middle and lucky to be in a SHIT division pattern.