Let’s be clear about a few things. One, Winston was never a problem. He was put in a “risk it or biscuit” situation where he was not set up to win. Two, if he had stayed and they had hired anyone from the Shanahan tree, someone who understands how to run an NFL offense, we are counting banners.
When Brady came here, he was the OC. And we’ve been chasing Amy ever since. It’s weird…
wow. What dimension are you living in?
Licht should definitely trade for a proven edge rusher if it only takes a 4th or 5th to secure a vet
who were you thinking of?
Brady Swinson or Ponder could be had if the Pats draft an edge rusher as both players are cheap to acquire for probably a 5th. The Bucs liked Ponder when he was around but Swinson might fill the role nicely for this defensive scheme given his size/agility combo. For a vet that is battle tested I would go see if the Seahawks would part ways with Hall. He had a down year because of the defense switched to a platoon approach with 2 sacks for their SB run, but the year before he had 8 sacks. Also Hall can stack and shed at the point of the attack and play the run so he would be a great fit for Bowles scheme.
Let’s be clear about a few things. One, Winston was never a problem. He was put in a “risk it or biscuit” situation where he was not set up to win. Two, if he had stayed and they had hired anyone from the Shanahan tree, someone who understands how to run an NFL offense, we are counting banners.
When Brady came here, he was the OC. And we’ve been chasing Amy ever since. It’s weird…
I am not sure I agree with that. I believed it was the wise decision to let Winston play out his rookie contract with Arians to see if Arians can fix him. And that did not happen so Arians went in a different direction. I truly believe even if Brady was not available that Arians would have found another starting QB than bring back Winston.
I do agree that Winston was put in some bad offensive situations but Arians comes in and really turns it around and Winston still can't avoid mistakes that should not happen even in pee wee football.
This is a terrible “test”
Just because a players “starts” for us (a .500 team) doesn’t equal to a player who “starts” for a perrenial contender in the Eagles.
How many bonafide stats has Licht drafted. High tier players on our roster, right now. I only count 1 and that’s Tristan Wirfs. Our second best player might very well be our kicker.
our roster is very void of high caliber players.
Wirfs, Goedeke, Winfield Jr. T. Smith, and Kancey are high caliber players and stack up well against other NFC rosters. Vea and Godwin count too as high caliber players, but they are older.
Mayfield, EE, Irving Jr, McMillan, and Diaby are borderline high caliber players and this is a big year for all of them.
I know some would say that T. Smith and Winfield Jr don't belong in the high caliber category but they at times flash dominance and their talent is undeniable when stacked up against strong NFC DB rosters (eg Seahawks).
he's a man of high character
You mean the guy who left the Falcons before the season was over. And when I say left, I mean quit.
Let’s be clear about a few things. One, Winston was never a problem. He was put in a “risk it or biscuit” situation where he was not set up to win. Two, if he had stayed and they had hired anyone from the Shanahan tree, someone who understands how to run an NFL offense, we are counting banners.
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Big floppy clown shows and all.
This is a terrible “test”
Just because a players “starts” for us (a .500 team) doesn’t equal to a player who “starts” for a perrenial contender in the Eagles.
How many bonafide stats has Licht drafted. High tier players on our roster, right now. I only count 1 and that’s Tristan Wirfs. Our second best player might very well be our kicker.
our roster is very void of high caliber players.
Wirfs, Goedeke, Winfield Jr. T. Smith, and Kancey are high caliber players and stack up well against other NFC rosters. Vea and Godwin count too as high caliber players, but they are older.
Mayfield, EE, Irving Jr, McMillan, and Diaby are borderline high caliber players and this is a big year for all of them.
I know some would say that T. Smith and Winfield Jr don't belong in the high caliber category but they at times flash dominance and their talent is undeniable when stacked up against strong NFC DB rosters (eg Seahawks).
I think you’re judgment is skewed by the fact that you’re a die hard Bucs fan. When I say super high caliber, I should have defined that better. By that I’d say top 10 in the league at their position. To me that’s still only Wirfs and McLaughlin.
all the other guys you listed have some serious question marks:
Goedeke - injured so often that it can’t be ignored
Winfield - has been MIA since he got paid 2 years ago. Very disappointing.
Tykee Smith - potential but not anywhere near top 10 yet. Only 1 full season at safety.
Kancey - injured more than not and to me has had a very disappointing start to his career. Absolutely not top 10.
Vea - used to be, but he’s entering the downside of his career and he has to miss so many snaps and series. He was absolutely up there before. He’s the best guy of those you named.
Godwin - like Vea, he used to be high tier but who knows what he has left. It sure didn’t look like much last year.
the rest of the guys are all “hope and potential” but definitely not league renowned
This is a terrible “test”
Just because a players “starts” for us (a .500 team) doesn’t equal to a player who “starts” for a perrenial contender in the Eagles.
How many bonafide stats has Licht drafted. High tier players on our roster, right now. I only count 1 and that’s Tristan Wirfs. Our second best player might very well be our kicker.
our roster is very void of high caliber players.
Wirfs, Goedeke, Winfield Jr. T. Smith, and Kancey are high caliber players and stack up well against other NFC rosters. Vea and Godwin count too as high caliber players, but they are older.
Mayfield, EE, Irving Jr, McMillan, and Diaby are borderline high caliber players and this is a big year for all of them.
I know some would say that T. Smith and Winfield Jr don't belong in the high caliber category but they at times flash dominance and their talent is undeniable when stacked up against strong NFC DB rosters (eg Seahawks).
I think you’re judgment is skewed by the fact that you’re a die hard Bucs fan. When I say super high caliber, I should have defined that better. By that I’d say top 10 in the league at their position. To me that’s still only Wirfs and McLaughlin.
all the other guys you listed have some serious question marks:
Goedeke - injured so often that it can’t be ignored
Winfield - has been MIA since he got paid 2 years ago. Very disappointing.
Tykee Smith - potential but not anywhere near top 10 yet. Only 1 full season at safety.
Kancey - injured more than not and to me has had a very disappointing start to his career. Absolutely not top 10.
Vea - used to be, but he’s entering the downside of his career and he has to miss so many snaps and series. He was absolutely up there before. He’s the best guy of those you named.
Godwin - like Vea, he used to be high tier but who knows what he has left. It sure didn’t look like much last year.
the rest of the guys are all “hope and potential” but definitely not league renowned
If that is the criteria how many Seahawk players fit that criteria? Darnold, JSN, Williams, Jones, Love, maybe Witherspoon?
I mean Cross and Lucas are good but no means on the level of Goedeke. Even with Wirfs down year he still heads and shoulders better. And Lucas has a degenerative knee issue. Emmanwori, Murphy and Zabel have great potential but they are not there yet. The same with Barner and Arroyo.
Point being that you don't need elite players all over the roster to have a good team as the Seahawks proved. But you need a lot of good players stacked up which is why the Seahawks roster was stacked despite not having a lot of upper elite talent.
But you need a lot of good players stacked up which is why the Seahawks roster was stacked despite not having a lot of upper elite talent.
They are far from stacked. They just play as a team. JSN has taken step one to make sure the Seahawks are irrelevant again soon.
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This is a terrible “test”
Just because a players “starts” for us (a .500 team) doesn’t equal to a player who “starts” for a perrenial contender in the Eagles.
How many bonafide stats has Licht drafted. High tier players on our roster, right now. I only count 1 and that’s Tristan Wirfs. Our second best player might very well be our kicker.
our roster is very void of high caliber players.
Wirfs, Goedeke, Winfield Jr. T. Smith, and Kancey are high caliber players and stack up well against other NFC rosters. Vea and Godwin count too as high caliber players, but they are older.
Mayfield, EE, Irving Jr, McMillan, and Diaby are borderline high caliber players and this is a big year for all of them.
I know some would say that T. Smith and Winfield Jr don't belong in the high caliber category but they at times flash dominance and their talent is undeniable when stacked up against strong NFC DB rosters (eg Seahawks).
I think you’re judgment is skewed by the fact that you’re a die hard Bucs fan. When I say super high caliber, I should have defined that better. By that I’d say top 10 in the league at their position. To me that’s still only Wirfs and McLaughlin.
all the other guys you listed have some serious question marks:
Goedeke - injured so often that it can’t be ignored
Winfield - has been MIA since he got paid 2 years ago. Very disappointing.
Tykee Smith - potential but not anywhere near top 10 yet. Only 1 full season at safety.
Kancey - injured more than not and to me has had a very disappointing start to his career. Absolutely not top 10.
Vea - used to be, but he’s entering the downside of his career and he has to miss so many snaps and series. He was absolutely up there before. He’s the best guy of those you named.
Godwin - like Vea, he used to be high tier but who knows what he has left. It sure didn’t look like much last year.
the rest of the guys are all “hope and potential” but definitely not league renowned
If that is the criteria how many Seahawk players fit that criteria? Darnold, JSN, Williams, Jones, Love, maybe Witherspoon?
I mean Cross and Lucas are good but no means on the level of Goedeke. Even with Wirfs down year he still heads and shoulders better. And Lucas has a degenerative knee issue. Emmanwori, Murphy and Zabel have great potential but they are not there yet. The same with Barner and Arroyo.
Point being that you don't need elite players all over the roster to have a good team as the Seahawks proved. But you need a lot of good players stacked up which is why the Seahawks roster was stacked despite not having a lot of upper elite talent.
good coaching and scheme can make up for some of it, hence the Seahawks. But by your list they did have way more of those high caliber players than us.
unfortunately for us we have a trash coach and trash scheme. My point isn’t to bash Bowles though, more to say that it’s time Licht starts to get some criticism. In addition to having lack of high talent, we have no cap room. The Super Bowl cap situation only be cited for so many years.
I believe that wINsTon was Lovie's guy.
Lovie 1000% wanted Winston. He traveled to Alabama to meet Winston's family. Lovie tells a funny story about Winston's family asking him if he follows the NBA, a reference to the team that took Sam Bowie over Jordan lol.
Licht wanted him too and. BADLY. Can you imagine being a GM of a FLORIDA NFL team who passed on a QB like Winston who then went on to win a Super Bowl? The easier and safer move for Licht was always to take Winston . . especially because the Glazers and the HC really wanted him TOO.
The Glazers wanted him badly too. Thats why they did all the PI investigations etc. We are talking about the mercurial QB from FLORIDA State . . (read again: FLORIDA) . . .who won the Heisman and a National Championship.
The Bucs were NEVER . . repeat NEVER . . going to take an Oregon QB perceived as a good fit for Chip Kelly's quirky system OVER the FLORIDA State QB with the "rocket arm" and "most prepared for the NFL college QB" who was known for DRAMATIC games.
They were NEVER going to trade the pick for the same reason.
People only say that stuff in HINDSIGHT. In real time though there was no way it was anyone but Winston because he had the POTENTIAL to be a winner, he was very polarizing (lots of sports talk about him and the RB loaded with Gator Goons trashing him and Noles fans supporting him) and very popular with at least half of Florida and he was EXCITING. I think the 2019 season was maybe one of the most covered by the media. 5000 yards 30ish TDs but alos 30ish INTs. Up and down, drama.
Like I said, top jersey sales, ticket sales up, national and LOCAL coverage way up. The Bucs fight for RELEVANCE. Winston HYPE made an irrelevant 2014 Bucs team suddenly very relevant . . before Winston even played a snap.
Exciting is not always a positive. I can remember several games leaving the stadium SMH after another bonehead wINsTon mistake cost the Bucs another game. So glad the Bucs moved on from him when they did.
This is just a stupid post, knees. Winston was never a problem? Hahahaha ok. Let's see, pick a problem with that finger-licking fool (on the field or off the field). On the field, he had zero accuracy. He couldn't read defenses to save his soul. That's just two examples of what kind of problem he was. His only redeeming qualities was he could throw the ball pretty far and he is somewhat entertaining. That's it. If he had stayed and they hired anyone from the Shanahan tree we are counting banners? You are outside your damned mind. That guy has been around some really good coaches in his entire career and it hasn't changed his outcome or path one iota.Let’s be clear about a few things. One, Winston was never a problem. He was put in a “risk it or biscuit” situation where he was not set up to win. Two, if he had stayed and they had hired anyone from the Shanahan tree, someone who understands how to run an NFL offense, we are counting banners.
When Brady came here, he was the OC. And we’ve been chasing Amy ever since. It’s weird…
I believe that wINsTon was Lovie's guy.
Lovie 1000% wanted Winston. He traveled to Alabama to meet Winston's family. Lovie tells a funny story about Winston's family asking him if he follows the NBA, a reference to the team that took Sam Bowie over Jordan lol.
Licht wanted him too and. BADLY. Can you imagine being a GM of a FLORIDA NFL team who passed on a QB like Winston who then went on to win a Super Bowl? The easier and safer move for Licht was always to take Winston . . especially because the Glazers and the HC really wanted him TOO.
The Glazers wanted him badly too. Thats why they did all the PI investigations etc. We are talking about the mercurial QB from FLORIDA State . . (read again: FLORIDA) . . .who won the Heisman and a National Championship.
The Bucs were NEVER . . repeat NEVER . . going to take an Oregon QB perceived as a good fit for Chip Kelly's quirky system OVER the FLORIDA State QB with the "rocket arm" and "most prepared for the NFL college QB" who was known for DRAMATIC games.
They were NEVER going to trade the pick for the same reason.
People only say that stuff in HINDSIGHT. In real time though there was no way it was anyone but Winston because he had the POTENTIAL to be a winner, he was very polarizing (lots of sports talk about him and the RB loaded with Gator Goons trashing him and Noles fans supporting him) and very popular with at least half of Florida and he was EXCITING. I think the 2019 season was maybe one of the most covered by the media. 5000 yards 30ish TDs but alos 30ish INTs. Up and down, drama.
Like I said, top jersey sales, ticket sales up, national and LOCAL coverage way up. The Bucs fight for RELEVANCE. Winston HYPE made an irrelevant 2014 Bucs team suddenly very relevant . . before Winston even played a snap.
Exciting is not always a positive. I can remember several games leaving the stadium SMH after another bonehead wINsTon mistake cost the Bucs another game. So glad the Bucs moved on from him when they did.
me too
Let’s be clear about a few things. One, Winston was never a problem. He was put in a “risk it or biscuit” situation where he was not set up to win. Two, if he had stayed and they had hired anyone from the Shanahan tree, someone who understands how to run an NFL offense, we are counting banners.
When Brady came here, he was the OC. And we’ve been chasing Amy ever since. It’s weird…
wow. What dimension are you living in?
Clearly, it's a retarded one.
he's a man of high character
You mean the guy who left the Falcons before the season was over. And when I say left, I mean quit.
Lmfao dude is comparing season ending knee surgery on a shit team to a dude accused of rape and stealing and all sorts of shit...
Cmon now... What an insane take.
Mariota is a high character individual. Winston is still as immature as ever.
They both are career backups