45M a year. Yeah maybe 5 years ago
It’s also 50% more than his current AAY.
The guarantee I offered was DOUBLE that of his last deal.
The numbers put him within Top 11-14.
Per usual, you’re simply talking out of both sides of your mouth.
when playing to his potential, is baker not arguably a better qb than Jordan love, Jared golf, Brock purdy and Trevor Lawrence?
there values were all north of $50M a year
it’s ok. Market value has risen. Clearly im hesitant to give baker that cash without proving that last year was not his norm
baker was bad man. He plays like that again and both he and Bowles will be off the team for 2027 season
Weird.
I wonder what happened?
what happened? Players got healthy, we were favored in final 6 games of year, defense sucked, team quit, baker sucked
last 11 games…
Do the whole season.
Not your cherry-picked sample size.
I picked when the team fell off. Not 11 random games
he was a top 15 guy last year in total
last 11 games he was bottom 15 guy
baker was bad man. He plays like that again and both he and Bowles will be off the team for 2027 season
Weird.
I wonder what happened?
what happened?
My boy, Todd, had a heavy hand in the offense. Baker got injured and said injuries got worse throughout the season. The team quit on my boy, Todd.
Good to see you’re finally getting it.
Always knew you had the potential, Champ.
Yep, the owners could turtle. I don’t doubt that the regression will be part of the calculation for them. But I also think acknowledging, but discounting the o-line, WR, RB injuries, not to mention the injuries/beating Baker endured because of them, didn’t have an effect in his capabilities - is absurd.
While NFL compensation is not my area of expertise, I think you could make the argument that Baker’s value is north of $50m/season, I just doubt that it’s the target for either side - but I could be wrong.
If the team is willing to extend a player, it’s because it sees a benefit to do so - the team will save money and derive security based on the having a fit for the talent already secured to make the offense work. The player being willing to negotiate would signal a willingness to yield on something in order yo derive security heading into next season.
Baker knows what’s been built around him, here. The unknown is that Baker could walk, get more money, but the team is not as well stocked, not a great fit with an OC, and/or the new teams defense would be as bad as Tampa’s last season.
There’s reason for goodwill on each side. It won’t be a 3rd team friendly deal, but I don’t see it being one Baker would try & shake down the team, either.
Not saying badabings concerns aren’t valid, just not sure that plotting around a Baker regression is really part of the plan.
I don’t think the Baker deal will hurt the team. I think part of the issue is we’ve never had a QB to play long enough, and well enough, to earn an extension, here.
Why would Mayfield sign a long term deal with the uncertainty with Bowles or Robinson? At this point Mayfield may want to wait not only for a larger pay raise but also some clarity as the next HC next year or the new OC.
Why would Mayfield sign a long term deal with the uncertainty with Bowles or Robinson? At this point Mayfield may want to wait not only for a larger pay raise but also some clarity as the next HC next year or the new OC.
Baker Mayfield wanting 9 figures guaranteed money? Yeah he would play for the London silly nannies if they offered him that
Bowles future hinges directly on Baker. Guy balls out and Bucs likely making playoffs again which would show progress over the 2025 collapse, Bowles likely staying. If Baker is pedestrian, and Bowles defense jumps from like bottom 10 to maybe 15th-to20th (which let's be honest, it's realistic that marginal improvement over say jumping to 02 buccaneers D)....likely not good enough and could see Bucs moving in different direction.
In terms of Robinson, he will either stay, get fired, or potential get head coaching gig. Does he get promoted in Tampa? Guess it will depend how season plays out but it would appear the Bucs brass loves them some Todd Bowles. Baker is no stranger to having a different OC.
If Bucs were offering Baker market value which would be north of $50M+ a year and 4, 5 year deal, he would accept immediately. Thing is, we dont know what the Bucs are offering but as i've said at nauseum, they are most likely under that figure per year and Baker is betting on himself that hes just as good as Purdy, Lawrence, Love, Hurts, and Goff. And why are they under that figure? Because Baker finished the year poorly and they want to see how he plays this year. Quite frankly, if im the Bucs, he played himself out of a contract extension during that 6 game finish where we were favored in all the games and went 2-4 and he put up 8 touchdowns to 6 INTs and led the offense to greater than 20 points in just 1 of those games. Putrid.
Its best for both parties involved to see how this year plays out.
Not saying badabings concerns aren’t valid, just not sure that plotting around a Baker regression is really part of the plan.
I don’t think the Baker deal will hurt the team. I think part of the issue is we’ve never had a QB to play long enough, and well enough, to earn an extension, here.
oh dont get me wrong, i wouldnt be surprised if the Bucs brass is all in on the 2024 season being the norm. But we are also a poorly run franchise much like the Dolphins and Cardinals who threw crazy extensions at their QBs.
The Bucs SHOULD ABSOLUTELY be hesitant but one thing is for sure, i would be shocked if Baker inked for less than 50 a year prior to the season starting. so DH's contract offer is certainly a team friendly one we can all get behind but its also implying to Baker that he isn't in the same caliber as Brock Purdy
Why would Mayfield sign a long term deal with the uncertainty with Bowles or Robinson? At this point Mayfield may want to wait not only for a larger pay raise but also some clarity as the next HC next year or the new OC.
Baker Mayfield wanting 9 figures guaranteed money? Yeah he would play for the London silly nannies if they offered him that
Bowles future hinges directly on Baker. Guy balls out and Bucs likely making playoffs again which would show progress over the 2025 collapse, Bowles likely staying. If Baker is pedestrian, and Bowles defense jumps from like bottom 10 to maybe 15th-to20th (which let's be honest, it's realistic that marginal improvement over say jumping to 02 buccaneers D)....likely not good enough and could see Bucs moving in different direction.
In terms of Robinson, he will either stay, get fired, or potential get head coaching gig. Does he get promoted in Tampa? Guess it will depend how season plays out but it would appear the Bucs brass loves them some Todd Bowles. Baker is no stranger to having a different OC.
If Bucs were offering Baker market value which would be north of $50M+ a year and 4, 5 year deal, he would accept immediately. Thing is, we dont know what the Bucs are offering but as i've said at nauseum, they are most likely under that figure per year and Baker is betting on himself that hes just as good as Purdy, Lawrence, Love, Hurts, and Goff. And why are they under that figure? Because Baker finished the year poorly and they want to see how he plays this year. Quite frankly, if im the Bucs, he played himself out of a contract extension during that 6 game finish where we were favored in all the games and went 2-4 and he put up 8 touchdowns to 6 INTs and led the offense to greater than 20 points in just 1 of those games. Putrid.
Its best for both parties involved to see how this year plays out.
There is a chance the team goes 8-9 again even if Mayfield balls out. Then what? And there is no guarantee that Bowles is gone in that scenario either. Does Robinson stick around if the team finishes 8-9 or does the team move onto another OC again?
Mayfield may end up taking less money to help out the team add talent. Brady was a more talented QB than a lot of QBs when he signed with the Bucs but he took less money to help the team add players.
Stacking talent is kind of important and that is what is another factor that should be considered. Mayfield is no Mahomes but even the Chiefs ran into a wall last year because of they started to run out of talent to compete within their own division.
Baker Mayfield wanting 9 figures guaranteed money? Yeah he would play for the London silly nannies if they offered him that
You keep going on and on and on about a 4-5 yr, $275M contract.
What the hell do you think the guaranteed money would be on a contract like that?
Between talking out of both sides of your mouth and showing how little you know about the topic, you're on quite the impressive run.
Baker Mayfield wanting 9 figures guaranteed money? Yeah he would play for the London silly nannies if they offered him that
Since you continue to pound the table like an idiot for Baker getting a 5yr, $275M deal...
How many QB contracts in that range have guaranteed money that's LESS than 9 figures?
And, while you're at it, Einstein.
Let us know how many QB's who are making an AAY of $45M per year, that have less than 9 figures guaranteed.
According to Spotrac the Bucs only have 10 million in cap space after signing Bain.
Someone show me how the Bucs can sign Baker to a 50 million contract and stay under the salary cap.
The bad news the Bucs have already renegotiated contracts just to get to the 10 million cap space.
Maybe they could call the Saints or Chiefs to figure it out?According to Spotrac the Bucs only have 10 million in cap space after signing Bain.
Someone show me how the Bucs can sign Baker to a 50 million contract and stay under the salary cap.
The bad news the Bucs have already renegotiated contracts just to get to the 10 million cap space.
Void years, guaranteed money, and roster cuts are the logical pathways. However, the communication from the owners & Licht seemingly aren’t all that worked up about it.