You want him prematurely extended right?
Ha, love it. The "you are wrong" question: "you want him prematurely extended, right?"
What if he did a $40 million 5 year deal now and then through 42 TDs this coming season? Maybe a bad deal because it was "premature?"
Arent most people saying some version of that, "sign him now at a deal, if you can but dont over pay?"
You want him prematurely extended right?
Ha, love it. The "you are wrong" question: "you want him prematurely extended, right?"
What if he did a $40 million 5 year deal now and then through 42 TDs this coming season? Maybe a bad deal because it was "premature?"
Arent most people saying some version of that, "sign him now at a deal, if you can but dont over pay?"
daniel jones just got 44m a year. So yeah if baker is willing to play at a donation, go for it. But living in real world, his figure would not start at below 50m per year
He wants to bet on himself this year I’m sure of it. So baker may not want that extension either if he’s going to get low balled
You want him prematurely extended right?
Ha, love it. The "you are wrong" question: "you want him prematurely extended, right?"
What if he did a $40 million 5 year deal now and then through 42 TDs this coming season? Maybe a bad deal because it was "premature?"
Arent most people saying some version of that, "sign him now at a deal, if you can but dont over pay?"
daniel jones just got 44m a year. So yeah if baker is willing to play at a donation, go for it. But living in real world, his figure would not start at below 50m per year
He wants to bet on himself this year I’m sure of it. So baker may not want that extension either if he’s going to get low balled
my point: there's a circumstance where a contract now would not be criticized as premature. Might only happen 66% of the time, but it exists. ;-)
You want him prematurely extended right?
Ha, love it. The "you are wrong" question: "you want him prematurely extended, right?"
What if he did a $40 million 5 year deal now and then through 42 TDs this coming season? Maybe a bad deal because it was "premature?"
Arent most people saying some version of that, "sign him now at a deal, if you can but dont over pay?"
daniel jones just got 44m a year. So yeah if baker is willing to play at a donation, go for it. But living in real world, his figure would not start at below 50m per year
He wants to bet on himself this year I’m sure of it. So baker may not want that extension either if he’s going to get low balled
my point: there's a circumstance where a contract now would not be criticized as premature. Might only happen 66% of the time, but it exists. ;-)
haha yes i would criticize it as premature but would gladly eat crow if Baker returned to 2024 form.
I get it. Baker got banged up and the offensive line couldn't stay healthy last year; it's certainly a good assumption to make for his decline in play
all i'm saying is, we should be in no rush to extend because there's very little downside, if any to waiting.
like yeah if you think we can get Baker at $45M today (which i dont think we can by the way), then yeah the downside is him getting $55M after a 35+TD season this year; but to me....an extra $10M a year is well worth the piece of mind that we are getting that Baker as opposed to a Bryce Young/Andy Dalton type Baker.
Well this is why Licht can not let that happen again. Canales spent big money on free agent guards Lewis and Hunt to protect the small Young, and Licht needs to show he is serious about adding more competition/depth at guard to protect Mayfield. Bredeson as a starting guard is going to get Mayfield to take a beating along with Bucky Irving. Worse if Bredeson misses time and we better pray Schrauth leap frogs a lot of players for playing time or pushes Bredeson to the bench.
If Mayfield is the future face of the franchise this team needs to start acting like it and not be so timid about it or waffling on the fence. If they want to delay to next year Mayfield's contract that is fine. But you can't waffle on the fence regarding upgrading other areas of the team other than QB. So Licht has to feel the heat after that collapse last year and doing the same old is cutting it anymore. Sure we can pin it on Bowles but Licht didn't do much to stop the bleeding either as he is the GM and Bowles is not the GM.
Well this is why Licht can not let that happen again. Canales spent big money on free agent guards Lewis and Hunt to protect the small Young, and Licht needs to show he is serious about adding more competition/depth at guard to protect Mayfield. Bredeson as a starting guard is going to get Mayfield to take a beating along with Bucky Irving. Worse if Bredeson misses time and we better pray Schrauth leap frogs a lot of players for playing time or pushes Bredeson to the bench.
If Mayfield is the future face of the franchise this team needs to start acting like it and not be so timid about it or waffling on the fence. If they want to delay to next year Mayfield's contract that is fine. But you can't waffle on the fence regarding upgrading other areas of the team other than QB. So Licht has to feel the heat after that collapse last year and doing the same old is cutting it anymore. Sure we can pin it on Bowles but Licht didn't do much to stop the bleeding either as he is the GM and Bowles is not the GM.
well two things
1. we did absolutely nothing to improve the depth on the interior line. They brought back Dan Feeney and drafted Billy Schrauth in the 5th round. I guess you can call these investments looking out of rose colored glasses but either a massive oversight by Licht or they dont think it's that important. I would agree though, having a higher level back-up to Bredeson would have been ideal.
2. I don't think Licht and company are certain that Baker is the future. His play was so eye opening the last half of the year that he played himself out of a contract extension. I think it's very likely that Baker is back with us but it will take a rebound year so to speak for it to happen.
So Licht has to feel the heat after that collapse last year and doing the same old is cutting it anymore
I think Licht does feel the heat, but I am also not sure I would characterize the offseason O-line plan as "same old."
So Licht has to feel the heat after that collapse last year and doing the same old is cutting it anymore
I think Licht does feel the heat, but I am also not sure I would characterize the offseason O-line plan as "same old."
what do you mean? same exact starting line, brought back Feeney, and spent a 5th round pick on a guy.
Said another way, if a starter goes down on the offensive line, are we not using that as an excuse for the offense not performing at peak peformance?
When Alex Cappa went down in the Superbowl run, we didnt miss a beat with Aaron Stinnie
who is our Aaron Stinnie on the line today?
So Licht has to feel the heat after that collapse last year and doing the same old is cutting it anymore
I think Licht does feel the heat, but I am also not sure I would characterize the offseason O-line plan as "same old."
what do you mean? same exact starting line, brought back Feeney, and spent a 5th round pick on a guy.
Said another way, if a starter goes down on the offensive line, are we not using that as an excuse for the offense not performing at peak peformance?
When Alex Cappa went down in the Superbowl run, we didnt miss a beat with Aaron Stinnie
who is our Aaron Stinnie on the line today?
Well, can never have enough depth, I get that BUT 2024 the offensive line is mostly healthy and the offense is great, including the running game. I think the 2024 Oline depth chart is
Wirfs (Skule)
Bredeson (Xavier Delgado, Royce Neman)
Hainsey (Barton)
Mauch (Klein)
Godeke (Walton)
Isnt that what the starters might be in the beginning of 2026? and then on the back ups, they even brought Skule back to have better depth and they have Chuck and they drafted the G. So, basiclaly the same as 2024?
The difference is that in 2025 they are HEAVILY injured on the O-line right? Most discount that here but both guards, Center going out to LT and RT out is not that common. Many teams dont overcome that level of injury to an O-line because most teams dont have another starting unit behind the O-line
The 2026 Bucs just need average outcome from injury and they should be substantially better.
who is our Aaron Stinnie on the line today
Wasn't Stinnie a waiver wire pick up for us? an UDFA who we got off a practice squad?
Those kind of guys emerge from the circumstance so the "Aaaron Stinnie" of today could be any one of a number of guys
So Licht has to feel the heat after that collapse last year and doing the same old is cutting it anymore
I think Licht does feel the heat, but I am also not sure I would characterize the offseason O-line plan as "same old."
what do you mean? same exact starting line, brought back Feeney, and spent a 5th round pick on a guy.
Said another way, if a starter goes down on the offensive line, are we not using that as an excuse for the offense not performing at peak peformance?
When Alex Cappa went down in the Superbowl run, we didnt miss a beat with Aaron Stinnie
who is our Aaron Stinnie on the line today?
Well, can never have enough depth, I get that BUT 2024 the offensive line is mostly healthy and the offense is great, including the running game. I think the 2024 Oline depth chart is
Wirfs (Skule)
Bredeson (Xavier Delgado, Royce Neman)
Hainsey (Barton)
Mauch (Klein)
Godeke (Walton)
Isnt that what the starters might be in the beginning of 2026? and then on the back ups, they even brought Skule back to have better depth and they have Chuck and they drafted the G. So, basiclaly the same as 2024?
The difference is that in 2025 they are HEAVILY injured on the O-line right? Most discount that here but both guards, Center going out to LT and RT out is not that common. Many teams dont overcome that level of injury to an O-line because most teams dont have another starting unit behind the O-line
The 2026 Bucs just need average outcome from injury and they should be substantially better.
one thing is for sure...it was ravaged with injuries in 2025 so one would think we would have better luck in 2026
Sure, that’s why the organization floated an extension. Smart to try an minimize your star QB, seeking to capitalize on generally positive and unexpected play, aside from the one year the team saddled him with a not-ready-for-prime-time OC, the starting receivers, starting running back, and starting offensive line injuries that exposed him to punishment that led to numerous injuries, after he was responsible for winning games on his own the first half of the season.
I’m sure they’ll play that card. Equally sure they’ll assume that there won’t be any interest from 13 teams still needing a productive QB.
In fact - focusing on one year with extenuating issues, and 19 teams that may jut be in the market for a starting QB with playoff experience, and a win, that plays well in a McVay scheme that many teams currently use the same scheme if not elements of - probably makes a lot of sense, to some.
Market dynamics are part of the rationale, we’ll see how it plays out. Could be they franchise him too (even though the team doesn’t like that approach), but that could happen too.
Good that we have these what-if topics to kill time during the offseason.
Sure, that’s why the organization floated an extension. Smart to try an minimize your star QB, seeking to capitalize on generally positive and unexpected play, aside from the one year the team saddled him with a not-ready-for-prime-time OC, the starting receivers, starting running back, and starting offensive line injuries that exposed him to punishment that led to numerous injuries, after he was responsible for winning games on his own the first half of the season.
I’m sure they’ll play that card. Equally sure they’ll assume that there won’t be any interest from 13 teams still needing a productive QB.
In fact - focusing on one year with extenuating issues, and 19 teams that may jut be in the market for a starting QB with playoff experience, and a win, that plays well in a McVay scheme that many teams currently use the same scheme if not elements of - probably makes a lot of sense, to some.
Market dynamics are part of the rationale, we’ll see how it plays out. Could be they franchise him too (even though the team doesn’t like that approach), but that could happen too.
Good that we have these what-if topics to kill time during the offseason.
The same organization that was talking up Kyle Trask for several years up until the week they cut him. Yes, it's smart for them to talk up the starting QB, heck 100% of the teams do it. I wouldn't read too much into anything they say unless you see a contract extension before the season. We are now in June, so it's still possible obviously, but actions speak louder than words.
Baker is "likely" our guy in 2027. But it could have been the phrase " IS OUR GUY" if he didn't blow it last year. I'm all for the suggestion that a make shift offensive line is the key reason. Or we can call it Baker was injured, yadda yadda yadda...but he put doubt in many peoples minds and if anything, a hungry Baker is a good thing for us. Let's see him earn that new contract.
Actions speak louder than words. After the Bucs renegotiated / restructured a number of contracts during the postseason, the Bucs had 25 tp 30 million in cap space. The Bucs chose to spend that money on free agents rather than sign an extension with Mayfield.Sure, that’s why the organization floated an extension. Smart to try an minimize your star QB, seeking to capitalize on generally positive and unexpected play, aside from the one year the team saddled him with a not-ready-for-prime-time OC, the starting receivers, starting running back, and starting offensive line injuries that exposed him to punishment that led to numerous injuries, after he was responsible for winning games on his own the first half of the season.
I’m sure they’ll play that card. Equally sure they’ll assume that there won’t be any interest from 13 teams still needing a productive QB.
In fact - focusing on one year with extenuating issues, and 19 teams that may jut be in the market for a starting QB with playoff experience, and a win, that plays well in a McVay scheme that many teams currently use the same scheme if not elements of - probably makes a lot of sense, to some.
Market dynamics are part of the rationale, we’ll see how it plays out. Could be they franchise him too (even though the team doesn’t like that approach), but that could happen too.
Good that we have these what-if topics to kill time during the offseason.
The same organization that was talking up Kyle Trask for several years up until the week they cut him. Yes, it's smart for them to talk up the starting QB, heck 100% of the teams do it. I wouldn't read too much into anything they say unless you see a contract extension before the season. We are now in June, so it's still possible obviously, but actions speak louder than words.
Baker is "likely" our guy in 2027. But it could have been the phrase " IS OUR GUY" if he didn't blow it last year. I'm all for the suggestion that a make shift offensive line is the key reason. Or we can call it Baker was injured, yadda yadda yadda...but he put doubt in many peoples minds and if anything, a hungry Baker is a good thing for us. Let's see him earn that new contract.
he put doubt in many peoples minds
This is probably the bridge too far, suggesting that a "premature" extension has not happened because the FO has doubts lol. That would mean the FO sees Mayfield as 65% of 2025