then to put Mayfield 11 against Lawrences six or whatever.
Don't worry.
If it can be cherry picked any further, the smooth brained one will deliver.
then to put Mayfield 11 against Lawrences six or whatever.
Don't worry.
If it can be cherry picked any further, the smooth brained one will deliver.
I want baker to be our QB for years to come
but I also want him to know that last year was unacceptable
He needs to earn it back and I think he will particularly with that chip on his shoulder to get that 4,5 year deal at $55m per year
You all want to give him a pass because of a bunch of different factors (his injuries, offensive line injuries, coordinator/head coach) and that’s fine. I’d like him to know of a phrase “no excuses, blame yourself” and get back to 30+ touchdown passes
I have faith baker will do that and you will make me “eat crow” and that’s all fine and dandy but you will conveniently forget the premise of the debate “should the Bucs extend baker now” in which you know my position. Don’t worry I won’t have your “non smooth” brain eat crow when week 1 comes without an extension
Using your logic... Mahomes had the same stats but he is tier 1 so... Explain your logic there (assuming you think he's still top tier).
Mahomes
3500 yards, 22 TDs, 11 picks, 422 rushing yards, 5 TDs
6 wins
Herbert
3700, 26 TDs, 13 picks, 498 rushing yards, 2 TDs
11 wins
Mahomes has a better team and a better coach. Same division. Herbert 2-0 h2h
Again since we're talking stats and not "my opinion".
1. Mahomes only played 14 games
2. Mahomes isn’t a tier one QB because of what he did in 2025. Does this really need to be explained?
3. When Herbert has Mahomes accolades, I’ll agree with you that Herbert is a tier one QB. Since that hasn’t happened yet, Herbert isn’t a tier one QB - regardless of what the San Diego & Eugene folks say.
And we both know that chargers team is 6 wins at beat without him.
Sure, that’s how just about every NFL team would fare without their starting QB - they wouldn’t win as many games without their starter. How many wins does Tampa have in 2025 without Mayfield? Does that make him a tier 1 QB? Of course not. Does Mayfield’s stats, which are damn near identical to Herbert’s, make him a tier 1 QB? Of course not. Did Mayfield’s stats being in the MVP conversation early in the year make him a tier 1 QB at the end of the year? Of course not.
Look, I’m not shitting on Herbert. I think he’s top 10, just not top 5. There is literally nothing that can objectively be pointed to that says he is.
You all want to give him a pass because of a bunch of different factors (his injuries, offensive line injuries, coordinator/head coach
Or...
we are all looking at the total circumstances, part of which has to at least be the total 2025 season? That alone changes your analysis.
acknowledging that many factors impact QB performance is not unreasonable
evaluating 11 bad games from 3 seasons is arguably unreasonable. That's why you're having a tough time defending it.
you will conveniently forget the premise of the debate “should the Bucs extend baker now
I think you might be responding to DH but for my part I would want the Bucs to extend him now if the deal made sense because I'd want it out of the way before the season.
i don't think the Bucs under Licht have ever lost a key player they wanted to keep because of what they paid another player? Maybe? Can't think of one offf top of my head. I get that QB is not the same because of the size of the contract but I trust them to work it out.
but I also want him to know that last year was unacceptable
"Hey Baker! The slow one from Philly wants you to know that getting injured, allowing multiple injuries to the line and wr room, and playing for one of the worst HC/OC combos in the league is unacceptable. If you don't fix it, he'll become super insecure and flex his 401K with tons of LDE".
You all want to give him a pass because of a bunch of different factors (his injuries, offensive line injuries, coordinator/head coach) and that’s fine.
Don't really see anyone giving him "a pass".
I see posters looking at the ENTIRE season and the multitude of reasons it was a bust.
but you will conveniently forget the premise of the debate “should the Bucs extend baker now” in which you know my position.
I'm not forgetting anything.
You claimed the Bucs brass "would think like you" and wait to extend him.
Clearly, you have been wrong.
But, no, I have no interest in "serving you crow".
You've flip-flopped, moved the goalposts, and changed your position so many times; there's no sport in it.
Using your logic... Mahomes had the same stats but he is tier 1 so... Explain your logic there (assuming you think he's still top tier).
Mahomes
3500 yards, 22 TDs, 11 picks, 422 rushing yards, 5 TDs
6 wins
Herbert
3700, 26 TDs, 13 picks, 498 rushing yards, 2 TDs
11 wins
Mahomes has a better team and a better coach. Same division. Herbert 2-0 h2h
Again since we're talking stats and not "my opinion".
1. Mahomes only played 14 games
2. Mahomes isn’t a tier one QB because of what he did in 2025. Does this really need to be explained?
3. When Herbert has Mahomes accolades, I’ll agree with you that Herbert is a tier one QB. Since that hasn’t happened yet, Herbert isn’t a tier one QB - regardless of what the San Diego & Eugene folks say.
And we both know that chargers team is 6 wins at beat without him.
Sure, that’s how just about every NFL team would fare without their starting QB - they wouldn’t win as many games without their starter. How many wins does Tampa have in 2025 without Mayfield? Does that make him a tier 1 QB? Of course not. Does Mayfield’s stats, which are damn near identical to Herbert’s, make him a tier 1 QB? Of course not. Did Mayfield’s stats being in the MVP conversation early in the year make him a tier 1 QB at the end of the year? Of course not.
Look, I’m not shitting on Herbert. I think he’s top 10, just not top 5. There is literally nothing that can objectively be pointed to that says he is.
I'm outlining how stats don't tell a full story. Clearly Mahomes is tier 1.
Clearly Herbert played behind a makeshift line with limited playmakers.
Herbert played 16 vs 14 games to Mahomes but he had the broken hand so...
He's in the 4-8 range for me in terms of QBs. Tier statem low end of 1 untill he gets the accolades
Just another take
“If you’re the club, you, you probably stretch it all the way to right be right before camp. You try and save as much money as you can because you want to use that money in other players,” Telesco told SiriusXM NFL Radio. “It’s not like the money you save on on Baker goes into your pocket and you keep it, you’re gonna spend on another players.
“I’m sure they’d probably figure, look, it’s gonna start with a “5.” That’s just where it is now. I don’t know where their camp is as far as how much above 50 they want to go, but it’s probably gonna be in that 50 range. And you know, that still doesn’t even put [Mayfield] in the top 10 [of quarterback salaries I don’t think at that position. So it sounds like a lot, but he’s a solid starting quarterback for them and he’s played well for them.”
but I also want him to know that last year was unacceptable
"Hey Baker! The slow one from Philly wants you to know that getting injured, allowing multiple injuries to the line and wr room, and playing for one of the worst HC/OC combos in the league is unacceptable. If you don't fix it, he'll become super insecure and flex his 401K with tons of LDE".
You all want to give him a pass because of a bunch of different factors (his injuries, offensive line injuries, coordinator/head coach) and that’s fine.
Don't really see anyone giving him "a pass".
I see posters looking at the ENTIRE season and the multitude of reasons it was a bust.
but you will conveniently forget the premise of the debate “should the Bucs extend baker now” in which you know my position.
I'm not forgetting anything.
You claimed the Bucs brass "would think like you" and wait to extend him.
Clearly, you have been wrong.
But, no, I have no interest in "serving you crow".
You've flip-flopped, moved the goalposts, and changed your position so many times; there's no sport in it.
woah...settle down there boot licker. Don't you gotta go shoot at squirrels or whatever is it you do with that shiny gun of yours. I do thank you for your vote.
Obviously Baker doesn't know who i am or whoever it is you pretend to be...former insider? player? former "Just received an interesting text" guy. Moral of the story is....he will have to earn that new contract extension at that high value in which he lost by playing hurt apparently.
and very cute that you think Bucs starting discussions now means they will extend him before the season. It's quite possible they do so....as they haven't been smart with these things before, but of course there is mutual interest. Baker has been one of the best QBs in our franchise history; that being said, they likely want to see what QB they are getting for the 5 year, $275M deal; or in your non smooth brain....4 years, 180M LMAO
is it the 35+ TD guy or is the 25+ TD guy. 10 TDs could be the difference between 8-9 or 12-5.
woah...settle down there boot licker. Don't you gotta go shoot at squirrels or whatever is it you do with that shiny gun of yours.
Speaking of boot lickers, make sure to clock in on time and report to your boss, like the good little corporate cuck you are.
and very cute that you think Bucs starting discussions now means they will extend him before the season.
Oh look!
The ham and egger moved the goalposts again.
Color me shocked.
Fowler take:
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“This seems pretty clear cut,” Fowler said. “There are 11 different players in the NFL that make over $50 million per year. Mayfield is not in that club.
“He feels like he’s probably outplayed a few of those guys.”
So who are the eleven making $50 + and does Mayfield belong at least in the bottom 3 or 4?
So who are the eleven making $50 + and does Mayfield belong at least in the bottom 3 or 4?
If you’re going off APY, there’s 12 of them:
1. Mahomes
2. Prescott
3. Stafford
4. Lawrence
5. Love
6. Allen
7. Burrow
8. Purdy
9. Goff
10. Herbert
11. Jackson
12. Hurts
So who are the eleven making $50 + and does Mayfield belong at least in the bottom 3 or 4?
If you’re going off APY, there’s 12 of them:
1. Mahomes
2. Prescott
3. Stafford
4. Lawrence
5. Love
6. Allen
7. Burrow
8. Purdy
9. Goff
10. Herbert
11. Jackson
12. Hurts
yes Baker certainly belongs with the likes of Hurts, Purdy, Love, Lawrence
there's the top 5 - Mahomes, Allen, borrow, Jackson, Stafford
then there's everyone else; i think Prescott, Goff and Herbert are leaders of tier 2 but the rest are interchangeble
Baker is certainly in the 50M+ group whether he signs now or in February, hench my suggestion to push but alas you know that already.
Per overthecap.com
Mahomes $64m
Prescott $60m
Burrow $55m
Allen $55m
Love $55m
Lawrence $55m
Stafford $55m
Goff $53m
Purdy $53m
Herbert $52.5m
Jackson $52m
Hurts $51m
I'd rank Baker at 12th on this list ahead of Lawrence.
I'd place Baker's future deal around $55m. He hasn't accomplished as much as almost all those on the list.
Before you criticize, think about all the QBs on the list and what they've done with their teams over the past three seasons.
