So, we’re still blaming Baker for Bowles coaching decisions?
Businessmen know that the longer you wait to make a deal can cost you more (resources) in the long run. What you’re describing is a high-stakes gamble on the talent you’ve assembled, without securing the most important position.
But, short-term thinking is a choice.
So your saying it's everyone's fault but the most important position for the anemic offense down the stretch. Got it!
Gambling would be giving a premature extension to a guy that has proven nothing else but having an up and down career and just had one of his worst seasons as a Pro. Been in the league 8 years and 2025 would come in at a solid 5th best season.
so while im rooting for Baker and he appears to be in agreement with his reasonable approach to no extension getting done (only homer fans getting their panties in a tizzy), he has 2026 to prove he is closer to 2024 guy and that the Bucs can win with him.
Baker is a top 15-20 guy. I want him to prove he is actually top 10 and so do the Bucs.
Gambling would be giving a premature extension to a guy that has proven nothing else but having an up and down career and just had one of his worst seasons as a Pro. Been in the league 8 years and 2025 would come in at a solid 5th best season.
Yep. All day. Yep.
Gambling would be giving a premature extension to a guy
Every player choice is "gambling" but that is not true because its incomplete.
Even you would not say it was a "premature extension" if Mayfield signed today a 5 year 39 million deal and next season we go deep into the playoffs. I use that lowball $ and positive outcome because EVERYTHING is just a matter of DEGREE. You can reverse both factors and even say "Mayfield is only the last 8 games" and you make a different bet.
This is what you mean:
Gambling would be giving a premature BIG extension to a guy
thats why you lead with the descriptive "premature."
You can reverse both factors and even say "Mayfield is only the last 8 games" and you make a different bet.
What’s wild is I thought JC was the biggest cherry picker on here.
Clearly, we have a new Queen.
Gambling would be giving a premature extension to a guy
Every player choice is "gambling" but that is not true because its incomplete.
Even you would not say it was a "premature extension" if Mayfield signed today a 5 year 39 million deal and next season we go deep into the playoffs. I use that lowball $ and positive outcome because EVERYTHING is just a matter of DEGREE. You can reverse both factors and even say "Mayfield is only the last 8 games" and you make a different bet.
This is what you mean:
Gambling would be giving a premature BIG extension to a guy
thats why you lead with the descriptive "premature."
see i live in the real world. Some "non smooth brain" individuals on here thinking Baker take $39M or even $45M...at 4 years was it? That's a joke.
Baker's market value is in the $50M range and that is with his pedestrian 2025 season
can we win with him at that cap number is the question? It's why the Bucs brass is hesitant
Say with me Olaf: "if Baker repeated his 2024 performance, in 2025, this thread wouldn't even exist because he's already been extended back in February!"
You can reverse both factors and even say "Mayfield is only the last 8 games" and you make a different bet.
What’s wild is I thought JC was the biggest cherry picker on here.
Clearly, we have a new Queen.
Did I miss where Bada, or anybody for that matter, said that "Mayfield is only the last 8 games" at some point? I tend to believe it didn't happen because it's coming from the double-talking DUI boy. As everybody knows, that POS makes stuff up all of the time.
Gambling would be giving a premature extension to a guy
Every player choice is "gambling" but that is not true because its incomplete.
Even you would not say it was a "premature extension" if Mayfield signed today a 5 year 39 million deal and next season we go deep into the playoffs. I use that lowball $ and positive outcome because EVERYTHING is just a matter of DEGREE. You can reverse both factors and even say "Mayfield is only the last 8 games" and you make a different bet.
This is what you mean:
Gambling would be giving a premature BIG extension to a guy
thats why you lead with the descriptive "premature."
see i live in the real world. Some "non smooth brain" individuals on here thinking Baker take $39M or even $45M...at 4 years was it? That's a joke.
Baker's market value is in the $50M range and that is with his pedestrian 2025 season
can we win with him at that cap number is the question? It's why the Bucs brass is hesitant
Say with me Olaf: "if Baker repeated his 2024 performance, in 2025, this thread wouldn't even exist because he's already been extended back in February!"
I agree that is the LEVER the team would use, yes. Never disputed that.
Only said that "last 8 games of 2025" is a FUNNY way to make that argument. LOL. One thing to say his playn trailed off, another to say that is WHO Mayfield IS, statistically speaking. Maybe thats right, but . . . BIGGS agrees, so , , ,
Biggs thought Dave Canales was Waldron, White was RB1 . . because he was "wearing street clothes." PFF analytics are "objective" stats etc etc etc.
Nothing good ever comes from Biggs support and JC's admiration
You can reverse both factors and even say "Mayfield is only the last 8 games" and you make a different bet.
What’s wild is I thought JC was the biggest cherry picker on here.
Clearly, we have a new Queen.
Did I miss where Bada, or anybody for that matter, said that "Mayfield is only the last 8 games" at some point? I tend to believe it didn't happen because it's coming from the double-talking DUI boy. As everybody knows, that POS makes stuff up all of the time.
I simply stated that he's approaching records in cherry picking regarding this topic and that he's flip-flopped so many times, he should change his name to John Kerry.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Gambling would be giving a premature extension to a guy
Every player choice is "gambling" but that is not true because its incomplete.
Even you would not say it was a "premature extension" if Mayfield signed today a 5 year 39 million deal and next season we go deep into the playoffs. I use that lowball $ and positive outcome because EVERYTHING is just a matter of DEGREE. You can reverse both factors and even say "Mayfield is only the last 8 games" and you make a different bet.
This is what you mean:
Gambling would be giving a premature BIG extension to a guy
thats why you lead with the descriptive "premature."
see i live in the real world. Some "non smooth brain" individuals on here thinking Baker take $39M or even $45M...at 4 years was it? That's a joke.
Baker's market value is in the $50M range and that is with his pedestrian 2025 season
can we win with him at that cap number is the question? It's why the Bucs brass is hesitant
Say with me Olaf: "if Baker repeated his 2024 performance, in 2025, this thread wouldn't even exist because he's already been extended back in February!"
I agree that is the LEVER the team would use, yes. Never disputed that.
Only said that "last 8 games of 2025" is a FUNNY way to make that argument. LOL. One thing to say his playn trailed off, another to say that is WHO Mayfield IS, statistically speaking. Maybe thats right, but . . . BIGGS agrees, so , , ,
Biggs thought Dave Canales was Waldron, White was RB1 . . because he was "wearing street clothes." PFF analytics are "objective" stats etc etc etc.
Nothing good ever comes from Biggs support and JC's admiration
2025 was his 5th best season of his 8 year career. that's 17 games worth of mid.
so i'm giving him credit for his "MVP caliber" first half of year there...still mid overall
Gambling would be giving a premature extension to a guy
Every player choice is "gambling" but that is not true because its incomplete.
Even you would not say it was a "premature extension" if Mayfield signed today a 5 year 39 million deal and next season we go deep into the playoffs. I use that lowball $ and positive outcome because EVERYTHING is just a matter of DEGREE. You can reverse both factors and even say "Mayfield is only the last 8 games" and you make a different bet.
This is what you mean:
Gambling would be giving a premature BIG extension to a guy
thats why you lead with the descriptive "premature."
see i live in the real world. Some "non smooth brain" individuals on here thinking Baker take $39M or even $45M...at 4 years was it? That's a joke.
Baker's market value is in the $50M range and that is with his pedestrian 2025 season
can we win with him at that cap number is the question? It's why the Bucs brass is hesitant
Say with me Olaf: "if Baker repeated his 2024 performance, in 2025, this thread wouldn't even exist because he's already been extended back in February!"
I agree that is the LEVER the team would use, yes. Never disputed that.
Only said that "last 8 games of 2025" is a FUNNY way to make that argument. LOL. One thing to say his playn trailed off, another to say that is WHO Mayfield IS, statistically speaking. Maybe thats right, but . . . BIGGS agrees, so , , ,
Biggs thought Dave Canales was Waldron, White was RB1 . . because he was "wearing street clothes." PFF analytics are "objective" stats etc etc etc.
Nothing good ever comes from Biggs support and JC's admiration
2025 was his 5th best season of his 8 year career. that's 17 games worth of mid.
so i'm giving him credit for his "MVP caliber" first half of year there...still mid overall
welcome back to the light.
Yep, all day long.Gambling would be giving a premature extension to a guy
Every player choice is "gambling" but that is not true because its incomplete.
Even you would not say it was a "premature extension" if Mayfield signed today a 5 year 39 million deal and next season we go deep into the playoffs. I use that lowball $ and positive outcome because EVERYTHING is just a matter of DEGREE. You can reverse both factors and even say "Mayfield is only the last 8 games" and you make a different bet.
This is what you mean:
Gambling would be giving a premature BIG extension to a guy
thats why you lead with the descriptive "premature."
It’s the same mistake Cleveland made. Also, the strength/health of the offensive line, and the effectiveness of the OC.
Absolutely nothing was Baker's fault.
Absolutely nothing was Baker's fault.
come on, he just had a kid and that Netflix special.
so what it was his 3rd best season as a Buc and 5th best season as a pro.
It seems to be with Baker is that any time he started to get national media praise, or starts making commercials, he pisses down his leg....
so what it was his 3rd best season as a Buc . . .
It seems to be with Baker is that any time he started to get national media praise, or starts making commercials, he pisses down his leg.
Or, his 3rd best season as a Buc coincided with . . . .. his 3rd worst OC?
One "excuse". . . oops, way to see the point is to look at Josh Q's article today and the stats he references. Credit where due this is a point Fire makes often.
"Last year under Josh Grizzard, the Bucs ran on 42% of their second downs following a first down incompletion. Their EPA/play on all of those second downs (pass and runs combined) was -0.047 (21st in the NFL) and their success rate was 40% (15th). Those metrics should improve in 2026.
New offensive coordinator Zac Robinson had one of the best offenses in football in that specific situation. The Falcons ranked fourth in success rate in 2025 (51.61%) and 6th in EPA/play (+0.166) last year on second down following an incompletion. And there’s a good reason why. Robinson understands that running in that situation is tantamount to giving up the drive altogether.
And expanding to second-and-long (7+ yards) in general, the Falcons were 2nd in success rate (49.54%) and 9th in EPA/play (+.067), while the Bucs were 16th in success rate (41.26%) and 11th in EPA/play (+0.056), showing they hit some big plays, but struggled to consistently get the necessary yardage to stay on schedule"
Mayfield is not making that run/pass choice ^^^ . He's doing his best to execute it.
To get to some basic context, Grizz was a 58% pass on 2nd and 10 following an incompletion. Robinson was 83%, McVay 73%.
https://x.com/RyanPaganetti/status/2074630279226884125?s=20
