the defense should be improved....unless they don't have Vea
you think the defense goes backwards without Vea?
i think he commands alot of attention up front. Not having him, then factor in Kancey missing at least 4 games and it will make Diaby and Bain ineffective. I think without Vea we are likely in the bottom 12 again (points allowed)
in terms of yards allowed, we were 23rd, 18th, and 19th the last 3 years....i mean yeah that seems about right without Vea
with him, i would expect some improvement, maybe we are top 15 defense yards allowed and points allowed?
the defense should be improved....unless they don't have Vea
you think the defense goes backwards without Vea?
i think he commands alot of attention up front.
Definitely and thats why it could hurt. I think the thing that makes Vea extra tough is that hes more than just taking up space as a run stopper, but one reason for the contract situation has toi be that its tough to quantify the incremental impact at that position.
Still, to expect Baker to accept that is Ludacris given he'd be forgoing potential larger pay day.
Since you think the offer was so “Ludacris”…
Factoring in this season (which was guaranteed as a form of an early extension), plus 2 additional seasons at over $100M+ fully guaranteed; that would put his 2026 - 2028 seasons at right around $140-$150M fully guaranteed.
How many QB’s in the league are making that much in total guaranteed money over the same timeframe?
Kermit answered "none" so looking at the current NFL QB contracts from a GUARANTEED persecutive (rather than APY) the difference between Mayfield and the Bucs at this moment is probably an additional one year guaranteed salary?
I guess that because $140-150 guaranteed puts him roughly 12th in the current list. And its a very top heavy list, so basically "franchise" QBs only. So, another year at $50+ guaranteed, and he is in Joe Borrow, Dak Prescott $ . .
So, maybe its not even right to say they are a full year guaranteed apart? Maybe less?
Still, to expect Baker to accept that is Ludacris given he'd be forgoing potential larger pay day.
Since you think the offer was so “Ludacris”…
Factoring in this season (which was guaranteed as a form of an early extension), plus 2 additional seasons at over $100M+ fully guaranteed; that would put his 2026 - 2028 seasons at right around $140-$150M fully guaranteed.
How many QB’s in the league are making that much in total guaranteed money over the same timeframe?
Kermit answered "none" so looking at the current NFL QB contracts from a GUARANTEED persecutive (rather than APY) the difference between Mayfield and the Bucs at this moment is probably an additional one year guaranteed salary?
I guess that because $140-150 guaranteed puts him roughly 12th in the current list. And its a very top heavy list, so basically "franchise" QBs only. So, another year at $50+ guaranteed, and he is in Joe Borrow, Dak Prescott $ . .
So, maybe its not even right to say they are a full year guaranteed apart? Maybe less?
Baker wanted a commitment, while fully guaranteed is nice, it provided him no commitment post his age 33 season.
it was a poor contract offer but i imagine just a starting point in the negotiations
but i dont blame the Bucs for only offering 2 years at this stage given Bakers regression
Still, to expect Baker to accept that is Ludacris given he'd be forgoing potential larger pay day.
Since you think the offer was so “Ludacris”…
Factoring in this season (which was guaranteed as a form of an early extension), plus 2 additional seasons at over $100M+ fully guaranteed; that would put his 2026 - 2028 seasons at right around $140-$150M fully guaranteed.
How many QB’s in the league are making that much in total guaranteed money over the same timeframe?
Kermit answered "none" so looking at the current NFL QB contracts from a GUARANTEED persecutive (rather than APY) the difference between Mayfield and the Bucs at this moment is probably an additional one year guaranteed salary?
I guess that because $140-150 guaranteed puts him roughly 12th in the current list. And its a very top heavy list, so basically "franchise" QBs only. So, another year at $50+ guaranteed, and he is in Joe Borrow, Dak Prescott $ . .
So, maybe its not even right to say they are a full year guaranteed apart? Maybe less?
Fewer than 10 QB’s in NFL history have made $150M in guaranteed money over a 3-year timeframe.
So, Baker was given a VERY FAIR deal.
If he wants more years, I get it. Most likely his last shot at a career high payday.
But, it wasn’t insulting by any measure.
Baker wanted a commitment, while fully guaranteed is nice, it provided him no commitment post his age 33 season.
it was a poor contract offer but i imagine just a starting point in the negotiations
Cool.
So, instead of essentially 3 years at $140M - $150M (all guaranteed), we should give him a 5 year deal at $300M (with $100M guaranteed).
I’d prefer the later as well.
Still, to expect Baker to accept that is Ludacris given he'd be forgoing potential larger pay day.
Since you think the offer was so “Ludacris”…
Factoring in this season (which was guaranteed as a form of an early extension), plus 2 additional seasons at over $100M+ fully guaranteed; that would put his 2026 - 2028 seasons at right around $140-$150M fully guaranteed.
How many QB’s in the league are making that much in total guaranteed money over the same timeframe?
Kermit answered "none" so looking at the current NFL QB contracts from a GUARANTEED persecutive (rather than APY) the difference between Mayfield and the Bucs at this moment is probably an additional one year guaranteed salary?
I guess that because $140-150 guaranteed puts him roughly 12th in the current list. And its a very top heavy list, so basically "franchise" QBs only. So, another year at $50+ guaranteed, and he is in Joe Borrow, Dak Prescott $ . .
So, maybe its not even right to say they are a full year guaranteed apart? Maybe less?
Fewer than 10 QB’s in NFL history have made $150M in guaranteed money over a 3-year timeframe.
So, Baker was given a VERY FAIR deal.
If he wants more years, I get it. Most likely his last shot at a career high payday.
But, it wasn’t insulting by any measure.
why did he take it as an insult?
Still, to expect Baker to accept that is Ludacris given he'd be forgoing potential larger pay day.
Since you think the offer was so “Ludacris”…
Factoring in this season (which was guaranteed as a form of an early extension), plus 2 additional seasons at over $100M+ fully guaranteed; that would put his 2026 - 2028 seasons at right around $140-$150M fully guaranteed.
How many QB’s in the league are making that much in total guaranteed money over the same timeframe?
Kermit answered "none" so looking at the current NFL QB contracts from a GUARANTEED persecutive (rather than APY) the difference between Mayfield and the Bucs at this moment is probably an additional one year guaranteed salary?
I guess that because $140-150 guaranteed puts him roughly 12th in the current list. And its a very top heavy list, so basically "franchise" QBs only. So, another year at $50+ guaranteed, and he is in Joe Borrow, Dak Prescott $ . .
So, maybe its not even right to say they are a full year guaranteed apart? Maybe less?
Fewer than 10 QB’s in NFL history have made $150M in guaranteed money over a 3-year timeframe.
So, Baker was given a VERY FAIR deal.
If he wants more years, I get it. Most likely his last shot at a career high payday.
But, it wasn’t insulting by any measure.
why did he take it as an insult?
No idea.
You’re the one with his face tattooed on the small of your back.
You tell us.
Still, to expect Baker to accept that is Ludacris given he'd be forgoing potential larger pay day.
Since you think the offer was so “Ludacris”…
Factoring in this season (which was guaranteed as a form of an early extension), plus 2 additional seasons at over $100M+ fully guaranteed; that would put his 2026 - 2028 seasons at right around $140-$150M fully guaranteed.
How many QB’s in the league are making that much in total guaranteed money over the same timeframe?
Kermit answered "none" so looking at the current NFL QB contracts from a GUARANTEED persecutive (rather than APY) the difference between Mayfield and the Bucs at this moment is probably an additional one year guaranteed salary?
I guess that because $140-150 guaranteed puts him roughly 12th in the current list. And its a very top heavy list, so basically "franchise" QBs only. So, another year at $50+ guaranteed, and he is in Joe Borrow, Dak Prescott $ . .
So, maybe its not even right to say they are a full year guaranteed apart? Maybe less?
Fewer than 10 QB’s in NFL history have made $150M in guaranteed money over a 3-year timeframe.
So, Baker was given a VERY FAIR deal.
If he wants more years, I get it. Most likely his last shot at a career high payday.
But, it wasn’t insulting by any measure.
why did he take it as an insult?
No idea.
You’re the one with his face tattooed on the small of your back.
You tell us.
what did other QBs like Hurts, Lawrence, Love, Purdy, and Goff get recenty
Next....
Still, to expect Baker to accept that is Ludacris given he'd be forgoing potential larger pay day.
Since you think the offer was so “Ludacris”…
Factoring in this season (which was guaranteed as a form of an early extension), plus 2 additional seasons at over $100M+ fully guaranteed; that would put his 2026 - 2028 seasons at right around $140-$150M fully guaranteed.
How many QB’s in the league are making that much in total guaranteed money over the same timeframe?
Kermit answered "none" so looking at the current NFL QB contracts from a GUARANTEED persecutive (rather than APY) the difference between Mayfield and the Bucs at this moment is probably an additional one year guaranteed salary?
I guess that because $140-150 guaranteed puts him roughly 12th in the current list. And its a very top heavy list, so basically "franchise" QBs only. So, another year at $50+ guaranteed, and he is in Joe Borrow, Dak Prescott $ . .
So, maybe its not even right to say they are a full year guaranteed apart? Maybe less?
Fewer than 10 QB’s in NFL history have made $150M in guaranteed money over a 3-year timeframe.
So, Baker was given a VERY FAIR deal.
If he wants more years, I get it. Most likely his last shot at a career high payday.
But, it wasn’t insulting by any measure.
why did he take it as an insult?
No idea.
You’re the one with his face tattooed on the small of your back.
You tell us.
what did other QBs like Hurts, Lawrence, Love, Purdy, and Goff get recenty
Next....
4 of those 5 aren’t getting the same guaranteed money that Baker was offered over a 3-year timespan.
Next…
Still, to expect Baker to accept that is Ludacris given he'd be forgoing potential larger pay day.
Since you think the offer was so “Ludacris”…
Factoring in this season (which was guaranteed as a form of an early extension), plus 2 additional seasons at over $100M+ fully guaranteed; that would put his 2026 - 2028 seasons at right around $140-$150M fully guaranteed.
How many QB’s in the league are making that much in total guaranteed money over the same timeframe?
Kermit answered "none" so looking at the current NFL QB contracts from a GUARANTEED persecutive (rather than APY) the difference between Mayfield and the Bucs at this moment is probably an additional one year guaranteed salary?
I guess that because $140-150 guaranteed puts him roughly 12th in the current list. And its a very top heavy list, so basically "franchise" QBs only. So, another year at $50+ guaranteed, and he is in Joe Borrow, Dak Prescott $ . .
So, maybe its not even right to say they are a full year guaranteed apart? Maybe less?
Fewer than 10 QB’s in NFL history have made $150M in guaranteed money over a 3-year timeframe.
So, Baker was given a VERY FAIR deal.
If he wants more years, I get it. Most likely his last shot at a career high payday.
But, it wasn’t insulting by any measure.
why did he take it as an insult?
No idea.
You’re the one with his face tattooed on the small of your back.
You tell us.
what did other QBs like Hurts, Lawrence, Love, Purdy, and Goff get recenty
Next....
4 of those 5 aren’t getting the same guaranteed money that Baker was offered over a 3-year timespan.
Next…
Lawrence - 5 year $275M, AAV - $55M - $200M guaranteed
Love - 4 years, $220M, AAV - $55M - $160M guaranteed
Purdy - 5 years, $265M, AAV - $53M - $183M guaranteed
Golf - 4 years, $212M, AAV - $53M, $171M guaranteed
Hurts - 5 years, $255M, AAV - $51M, $179M guaranteed
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Baker - 2 year, $100M, AAV - $50M, $100M guaranteed (has this been reported? any links?)
Buccaneers offered Baker Mayfield a two-year extension - NBC Sports
in any event, the first 5 do not look like the last one in terms of contract and commitment but only you would spin it as Bucs actually doing better for Baker!
Baker - 2 year, $100M, AAV - $50M, $100M guaranteed (has this been reported? any links?)
Buccaneers offered Baker Mayfield a two-year extension - NBC Sports
in any event, the first 5 do not look like the last one in terms of contract and commitment but only you would spin it as Bucs actually doing better for Baker!
When I read anyone stating that Baker will bail if they have a good season, I know they don't understand psychology even on a cursory level and are probably battling a bit of 'tism...
If Baker plays well, Tampa will pay him well. If he doesn't play as well, Tampa will pay him proportionate to his pay. This is the only case where I see Baker walking, if he doesn't play as well as he is stating in the preseason ("we're going to shock some people"), he may not like Tampa's offer and then he's out. Vegas has him at 70% of balling out.
Baker - 2 year, $100M, AAV - $50M, $100M guaranteed (has this been reported? any links?)
Buccaneers offered Baker Mayfield a two-year extension - NBC Sports
in any event, the first 5 do not look like the last one in terms of contract and commitment but only you would spin it as Bucs actually doing better for Baker!
When I read anyone stating that Baker will bail if they have a good season, I know they don't understand psychology even on a cursory level and are probably battling a bit of 'tism...
If Baker plays well, Tampa will pay him well. If he doesn't play as well, Tampa will pay him proportionate to his pay. This is the only case where I see Baker walking, if he doesn't play as well as he is stating in the preseason ("we're going to shock some people"), he may not like Tampa's offer and then he's out. Vegas has him at 70% of balling out.
i've said many times before
-he plays like he did the last 11 games of last year, the Bucs likely let him walk and get a cheaper bridge option if they are going to suck anyway
-he plays like he did the first 6 games and 2024 - they offer him a 5 year deal
- he plays closer to 2023 overall performance - they likely are holding firm at a the 2-3year deal
In the end it's a business and this is a negotiation and leverage is important. Bucs have the leverage. Baker as a negotiator kind of has to act like the offer is insulting to get what he wants. At least a little bit. He's not taking it to the extreme where he thinks it's so insulting that he won't play. So there's that. I think like vea he doesn't do himself favors to not play. Neither player makes that big of a difference to the team because we have bowles to screw things up whether we have them or not.
So bucs are not in a hurry to pay money to players that maybe they don't really have to pay right now. If Mayfield and vea play this year and they're winning games because of these two players they will be paid very well by someone. But since they play for the bucs now and it's a dangerous game where you can end your career at any minute it's not surprising these guys negotiate hard for their deals. Bucs are responsible in how they handle this and just giving in when it doesn't make sense to do that is just player pleasing to the point it's not overall helping anyone.
Still, to expect Baker to accept that is Ludacris given he'd be forgoing potential larger pay day.
Since you think the offer was so “Ludacris”…
Factoring in this season (which was guaranteed as a form of an early extension), plus 2 additional seasons at over $100M+ fully guaranteed; that would put his 2026 - 2028 seasons at right around $140-$150M fully guaranteed.
How many QB’s in the league are making that much in total guaranteed money over the same timeframe?
Kermit answered "none" so looking at the current NFL QB contracts from a GUARANTEED persecutive (rather than APY) the difference between Mayfield and the Bucs at this moment is probably an additional one year guaranteed salary?
I guess that because $140-150 guaranteed puts him roughly 12th in the current list. And its a very top heavy list, so basically "franchise" QBs only. So, another year at $50+ guaranteed, and he is in Joe Borrow, Dak Prescott $ . .
So, maybe its not even right to say they are a full year guaranteed apart? Maybe less?
Fewer than 10 QB’s in NFL history have made $150M in guaranteed money over a 3-year timeframe.
So, Baker was given a VERY FAIR deal.
If he wants more years, I get it. Most likely his last shot at a career high payday.
But, it wasn’t insulting by any measure.
why did he take it as an insult?
No idea.
You’re the one with his face tattooed on the small of your back.
You tell us.
what did other QBs like Hurts, Lawrence, Love, Purdy, and Goff get recenty
Next....
4 of those 5 aren’t getting the same guaranteed money that Baker was offered over a 3-year timespan.
Next…
Lawrence - 5 year $275M, AAV - $55M - $200M guaranteed
Love - 4 years, $220M, AAV - $55M - $160M guaranteed
Purdy - 5 years, $265M, AAV - $53M - $183M guaranteed
Golf - 4 years, $212M, AAV - $53M, $171M guaranteed
Hurts - 5 years, $255M, AAV - $51M, $179M guaranteed
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Baker - 2 year, $100M, AAV - $50M, $100M guaranteed (has this been reported? any links?)
Lawrence - $142M fully guaranteed at signing
Love - $100.8M fully guaranteed at signing
Purdy - $100M fully guaranteed at signing
“Golf” - $113.6M fully guaranteed at signing
Hurts - $110M fully guaranteed at signing
Baker (with essentially an early extension that started this year with fully guaranteeing this year’s money, plus the 2 additional years at over $100M fully guaranteed) - $140M+ fully guaranteed
Moving on…
