FAB 5. SR’s Buc Shots

One of the reasons why New York Jets quarterback Teddy Bridgewater would be a good fit in Tampa Bay is his playing style. While he lacks the big arm strength that Dirk Koetter would favor in his vertical passing offense, Bridgewater does a good job of not turning the ball over, while still making plays.

In his two years as a starter in Minnesota, Bridgewater had four games with multiple interceptions, yet the Vikings were actually 3-1 in those games. In the 13 games in which Bridgewater didn’t throw an interception, the Vikings were 9-4 during the regular season.

Former Vikings QB Teddy Bridgewater - Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR
Former Vikings QB Teddy Bridgewater – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR

Now let’s contrast that with Winston. He had eight games with multiple interceptions in his first two years as a starter, and was 1-7 in those games. In the 12 games Winston didn’t throw an interception in his first two years he produced a record of 7-5.

What does this tell me? Winston needs to drastically reduce the amount of interceptions he throws, and picking up a quarterback like Bridgewater, who doesn’t kill a team with interceptions would be a wise investment.

• I saw a recent stat on how few interceptions Green Bay’s future Hall of Fame quarterback Aaron Rodgers throws and it’s astounding. Rodgers is widely regarded as a playmaker at the QB position, but he really excels at staying away from game-killing interceptions.

Rodgers has only 78 interceptions in his NFL career, and his rate of throwing INTs on 1.6 percent of his passes is the lowest for any QB in NFL history. Putting that in perspective, the highest amount of interceptions Rodgers has thrown in any season was 13, which was his first season as the Packers’ starter. As ProFootballTalk.com pointed out, if Rodgers plays until he’s 50 and throws 14 interceptions every single year, he’ll still have fewer career interceptions than Brett Favre.

PFT goes on to report that Rodgers is 10th in NFL history in passing touchdowns, but he’s tied for 159th in NFL history in interceptions. The quarterback directly in front of Rodgers on the career touchdown list, Ben Roethlisberger, has 96 more interceptions than Rodgers. The quarterback directly behind Rodgers on the career touchdown list, John Elway, has 148 more interceptions than Rodgers.

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Bucs head coach Dirk Koetter
Bucs head coach Dirk Koetter – Photo by: Mark Lomoglio/PR

• Pro Football Focus had a tweet this week that was eye-opening about training camp.

“On @PFF Training Camp tour a couple of yrs ago, the @Steelers were the 1 team we saw who just went all out. Full hitting every single practice. Completely different style than other teams, and they tend to be a team that out performs their talent level every year.” – @PFF_Sam

Do you hear that, Dirk Koetter?

I don’t expect any changes to the Bucs’ training camp routine, which was the softest of any team in the league with zero periods of live hitting last year. Koetter has a firm belief in avoiding any unnecessary camp injuries that can occur with full contact. It served him well in 2016 when the Bucs went 9-7, but came back to bite him last year as the offensive and defensive lines proved to be too soft as a result.

While I would love to see Tampa Bay have more contact during training camp, it’s interesting to note the level of contact Mike Tomlin’s Steelers teams have and the results they keep producing year after year.

• Despite this week’s new SR’s Fab 5, yours truly is on vacation this week, which means that I wasn’t a part of the latest Pewter Nation Podcast. The good news is that good friend and colleague Greg Auman from the Tampa Bay Times was kind enough to join PewterReport.com’s Mark Cook and Trevor Sikkema as this week’s special guest. As training camp draws near, find out what Cook, Sikkema and Auman have to say about the Bucs in the latest Pewter Nation Podcast. Click here for Episode 81: The Auman Effect

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• And finally, Auman and the Tampa Bay Times have come out with their version of the Bucs’ Mount Rushmore, which is supposed to feature the top four Buccaneers in team history. While Auman’s top three are undisputed – Hall of Famers Lee Roy Selmon, Warren Sapp and Derrick Brooks – I have to take issue with his fourth choice.

I can’t support the idea of putting safety John Lynch ahead of the likes of cornerback Ronde Barber, middle linebacker Hardy Nickerson or even fullback/running back Mike Alstott. While I appreciate Lynch’s greatness, especially the role he played in helping to turn around Tampa Bay’s franchise in the late 1990s, Barber was more decorated with honors and records. Simply put, Barber is the best defensive back in team history with 47 interceptions – the most in franchise history and double the amount Lynch recorded in Tampa Bay.

Barber, who will soon be in the Bucs Ring of Honor, and Lynch, who has already been inducted, were both five-time Pro Bowlers and three-time All-Pros in Tampa Bay, but Barber had  the franchise’s signature play – a 92-yard interception return for a touchdown in the NFC Championship Game at Philadelphia in 2002 to help send the Bucs to Super Bowl XXXVII – in addition to playing 15 years in red and pewter, which is also a record. Barber is the second all-time leading tackler behind Brooks, and was the first player in NFL history to record 25 sacks and 45 interceptions.

Ex-Bucs CB Ronde Barber - Photo by: Getty Images
Ex-Bucs CB Ronde Barber – Photo by: Getty Images

To me, Barber is the fourth-best Buccaneer of all-time, and I would even put Nickerson and Alstott ahead of Lynch in terms of their importance to the team. Nickerson, a three-time Pro Bowler, was the leader that laid the foundation for Brooks, Sapp and Lynch to eventually take over in Tampa Bay, while Alstott, a six-time Pro Bowler, is the second-leading rusher in team history and all-time touchdown producer with signature first scores in the NFC Championship Game in 2002 and in Super Bowl XXXVII.

The best part about features like the Times’ Bucs Mount Rushmore is that there is no right answer. It’s a fun, opinion-based story that helps jog some memories of Bucs fans back in happier times, as well as drive some conversation in the slow news period prior to training camp.

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Scott Reynolds is in his 24th year of covering the Tampa Bay Buccaneers as the vice president, publisher and senior Bucs beat writer for PewterReport.com. Author of the popular SR's Fab 5 column on Fridays, Reynolds oversees web development and forges marketing partnerships for PewterReport.com in addition to his editorial duties. A graduate of Kansas State University in 1995, Reynolds spent six years giving back to the community as the defensive line coach for his son's Pop Warner team, the South Pasco Predators. Reynolds can be reached at: [email protected]

89 COMMENTS

  1. Scott,

    I agree 100%. For well known reasons at FSU, I had hoped Bucs would pick Mariotta over Jameis. From what I have observed, he is learning to become more mature and dedicate himself to becoming a better man, husband, father and a professional football player. Jameis has two strikes. He is on the edge of throwing away his career. But I hope he continues on the right path. I am willing to give Jameis one more chance to not disappoint – off the field.

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    • What exactly are the 2 strikes? The way I see it, he has at least 3, and that’s just with the Bucs alone. Even if you don’t count each incident as a “strike”, it’s an embarrassing pattern that the Bucs keep enabling.

      1. Telling girls to be “silent”, after already having a history of sexual abusing women.
      2. Poking Marshon Lattimore
      3. Eating “W’s”
      4. Groping the Uber driver.
      5. Lying about it.
      6. A half-assed apology.

      Yes, I separated those three actions regarding what happened with the Uber driver because they were all separate decisions he made which show the true nature of his character. And yes, I’m holding him under a microscope. But when someone has as many red flags as he did coming out of college, that’s what you do. I really do hope Jameis stays away from alcohol and becomes a better man, a good father and husband, and even a good football player. But his time embarrassing Tampa Bay and the Bucs franchise should be over. This could be a very good team even without him, and it could be as early as this year with Fitzpatrick. I do think we should trade for Teddy Bridgewater. He was a first round pick and has won more than Winston.

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      • I fully agree.

        Scott says he’s sticking with Winston based on “putting a lot of stock into 5 things”. After reading those “things” its clear the last is what’s driving his decision: the Bucs have invested a ton in Winston (and he’s not easily replaced). While I disagree I would encourage anyone taking that position to just admit that they are overlooking the facts (he lied and attempted to impugn the driver), decisions (he issued a non-apology, now he’s sensitive about t-shirt articles) and noise (lots of rumors and guesses but the truth is only one person really knows what happened in that car… the other was apparently drunk out of his mind)… because you think he gives the Bucs the best chance to win. Spare his newborn son and recovering alcoholics everywhere from any efforts to add humanizing elements to what is a coldly rational (if distateful) evaluation.

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        • No WestChap, its clear YOU saw no.5 as the biggest reason. Not SR’s fault you ignored 1, 2, 3 and 4, which were all better arguments.

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      • Honey Bear, there is no way anyone can take you seriously with that list. Why didn’t you add 7) made it rain on Thursday 8) didn’t brush his teeth and floss 3x a day , 9) failed to wipe dry behind the ears 10) Allegedly ripped the tag off of his new mattress 11) incorrectly listed a 4.20 lunch as a deduction on his taxes 12) Made me write this silly elementary school list.

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  2. They absolutely should not trade for Teddy. Save that draft pick. And then for risk insurance draft a QB late next year.

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    • I grew up in Tampa and have been in MN for 10 years. I have watched almost every play of Teddy’s career. He is not a fit for the down the field offense the Bucs run at all. He’s a smart, short throw QB and a great person. He’s also boring as _____ and will be the next QB that many Bucs fans will be frustrated with as Vikings fans were.

      He’s a backup QB. I agree with you.

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      • Respect man. My main criticism for Teddy coming out of LV was his lack of arm strength. Didn’t see the amount of zip necessary to fit it into those much tighter NFL windows.

        However I gotta say that he outperformed my expectations with the Vikings and Pat Shurmur’s QB friendly, short passing offense. But yeah, he definitely does not fit into Dirks 4 vert based scheme, which puts a tremendous load of responsibility on the QB to read the seams and be able to fit the ball into tight spots down the field.

        That’s actually one of my main critiques of Dirk Koetter, their aren’t enough plays designed to scheme somebody open right away and get the ball out of the QB’s hand with ease. We need more drag routes, more slants, and more “pick/rub” plays designed to get some yac outta our extremely talented catch & run players like Djax, Godwin, OJ, and Hump.

        AND I WANT MORE RB SCREENS! Sims and Rojo are fast nimble guys, Dirk needs to put an emphasis on getting them in space.

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    • I agree with you. Skip Bridgewater. He’s likely done. Sad but true. He was a helluva college star and he made a few great plays at Minnesota, but mostly he was unimpressive. Case Keenum was better. I rest my case.

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  3. Trading for Bridgewater now is a smart move as long as you aren’t overpaying. I’d be fine with a 5th; a 4th is pushing it (considering that Day 2/early Day 3 is where Licht’s made his money as a drafter), and anything higher would be a no-go. But Griffin’s shown nothing to prove why he should remain on this team (in a world without the Jameis incident + suspension, he would be an easy cut at the end of training camp) and Bridgewater’s our best shot at an affordable long-term backup plan.

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  4. Great fab 5 .
    Winston will end up being a great QB. The Bucs would be smart to see what Jamies can do over the next two years.

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  5. You must live in world of cute little fairy’s and unicorns that poop butterfly’s
    I can not count how many people I know that stopped drinking and started again
    I assume the percentage is 90%
    All the problems that surfaced in collage have surfaced in NFL
    Cut him now and begin a new life with QB that understand there role.
    Even with out off field issues he has been a loser.
    If he goes off the reservation again the damage to the team and owners will be huge.
    Why take a risk on a loser?

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    • Did any of those people have 100 million dollars on the line to stay sober?

      Why take the risk? Scott just wrote an entire article on why to take the risk.

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    • You know who also was about to be banned by the NFL because he a 3 DUI’s? Jared Allen Chiefs didn’t resign him and he Stop drinking and signed a big contract with Minnesota. Averaged over 14 sacks a season with them as well. So yes people can stop drinking when there’s Millions involved.

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    • Calling a man who is trying to better his life with a new wife, a child, and potential sobriety, is flat out disgusting. The only loser is you. 10 to 1 you’ve done NOTHING with your life, other than bash everyone else on social media. Real class act

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      • Calling a man out that treats women like garbage. Thousands of men marry their babymama for the sake of the lil [email protected]@rd. Doesn’t change anything.

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        • Lord Jameis Christ,
          You have no idea what you are talking about. He’s a sloppy drunk that gets extra friendly. When he’s sober he’s completely different. Cutting alcohol out is the best thing he can do the better himself. He didn’t marry is baby mama which was an idiotic comment, because they’ve been dating since high school. They live together, so yeah that’s not a “baby mama”.

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      • This comment makes no sense. Winston’s NFL record is 18-27. That qualifies the “loser” comment. If we are going to start looking at his personal life, he isn’t a “loser”, he has made millions of dollars, has a family, and has gotten away with sexually abusing women with virtually no consequences. I would say that just makes him a low life and a creep. When he makes up for what he did, and lives clean for a few years, then we can reevaluate.

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        • Sorry, but like most people, I don’t think Jameis’s behavior in Arizona with the Uber driver in 2016 is grounds for termination. He acknowledged and apologized for putting the driver in a bad situation and gave up drinking subsequently. He has remained sober by all accounts since. She is satisfied, why aren’t you? He is human and made a mistake. Be thankful he isn’t Shady McCoy. That guy is truly a piece of shit. Jameis is not.

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  6. Excellent view of the Jameis situation, Scott.

    You literally share my exact sentiment of this situation. You hit on every single aspect of how I feel this should be viewed.

    I would like to add that what Jameis did is ridiculous. Assuming he did grope that driver. It’s something that not many people can forgive and I respect that. He needs to learn from it and this may be the best way to do so. However, we don’t know for certain that he did and will never know. It’s America and people are innocent until proven guilty. He was NOT proven guilty. We should be mindful of that.

    This could be a blessing in disguise and give Jameis the motivation to mature more than any other influence in his life. It’s time to put his head down and work for his family. I couldn’t imagine behaving as I do now at 31 when I was 24, but he has to. It comes with the territory of fame and wealth.

    I think a lot of the people that want him gone are thinking with their hearts, respectfully so. But this is also a business. We cannot crucify those that want to keep working with him. He is not going anywhere and considering other player’s mistakes and actions taken in the past (Big Ben, Kobe, etc.) it’s the right thing to do. Not to mention it’s been one offense like you had stated 2.5 years ago. People change and it seems he already may have. We haven’t had a franchise QB in our history and all the educated fans know this guy’s ceiling is through the roof. I’m not saying that’s the sole reason to keep him, however it is the smart business decision. Everything we have seen has been exemplary and I expect it to not only continue but for him to mature and astound the doubters.

    We are about to witness the most motivated Jameis of his life and it could be a really special thing.

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    • What “proves” guilt? A picture of the grope? “Could have been photoshopped!” Audio??? “Oh that’s not his voice!” A video?? “It’s blurry, that could be anyone!”

      Innocent people don’t lie. He was caught red-handed in multiple lies with GPS evidence and the testimony of his “friend”. The Uber driver is not seeking money or fame, so she had absolutely no reason to say anything but the absolute truth. Jameis has no defense, he was extremely drunk and accepted his punishment, followed by a half assed apology.

      I hope Jameis is motivated. But not in football, that doesn’t matter in this situation. He needs to be motivated to stay away from alcohol and be a better human being.

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      • That’s true but for you to suggest guilt is a fact with the evidence supported is just silly. Nobody knows but them two. It’s likely he did it but not guaranteed so stop acting like your opinion is the end all be all.

        Also GPS evidence pointed out he was alone for the second car ride. There were 2! He may have been referencing the first and forgot about the second.

        He needs to grow up still though, yes.

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  7. “The second factor I’m looking at is that Winston’s alleged incident with the Uber driver happened in March of 2016. That’s almost two and a half years ago.”

    Scott, why do you (and others) continually and intentionally overlook the fact that he flat-out lied bout the incident (and in some ways, shame the alleged victim) to the press, fans, and owners of the Bucs?

    It’s intellectual dishonesty.

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    • Just like there is not a definitive answer to if he did grope the driver, there may never be a definitive answer to if he lied. There is still a possibility he isn’t lying or didn’t remember.

      It was some time ago and he was drunk. Do you remember what happened February 27th, 2016 at 2 a.m. after drinking all night? It seems he may have been just as surprised as we are.

      Not saying what he did was right, just playing devil’s advocate.

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      • This is asinine. GPS evidence and the testimony of his friend prove he lied. And innocent people don’t lie. It’s time to stop pretending like he might be innocent in all this. He is guilty, he “apologized”, and he should be released from the Bucs.

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        • He was drunk and his memory isn’t reliable. Hers is though. She didn’t file a police report but did notify Uber. He apologized for putting her in that situation. He wasn’t just “friendly” with her. He was also loud and obnoxious when he and the other players were getting in the vehicle. She wasn’t a fan. She didn’t even know who he was. It isn’t as deep as you’re making it. GPS evidence??? That’s what is asinine. It doesnt matter. He was drunk and made a bad pass.

          Quit watching if you want, but it doesn’t matter. He isn’t going anywhere anytime soon.

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          • Exactly BucWild.

            GPS evidence proves guilt is by far the most asinine comment on here. What a hypocritical comment.

            The testimony of Darby, his friend, stated they were in the back seat. He was referencing the first car ride which is not a lie. LOL Fact check before you condescend others Honey Boo Boo.

            It’s getting pathetic seeing Bucs fans beg for him to be let go. I hope you’re extremely angry when he balls out.

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    • Because people like Scott don’t really care about these allegations. All that’s happened since is that both Scott and Mark have defended Winston and highlighted all his positives since. Even though most of these arguments are puerile and ignore the real issues – like Winston fabricating a whole story. Or how about the fact that shamed the victim?

      to some people these things don’t matter and Scott is one of those people.

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    • Exactly right Donkey Hunter! This article says he did this 2 years ago. All the lying and covering up has been ongoing ever since! Cut Winston.

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      • NOBODY is cutting Winston, Honey Bear. You’re getting yourself all worked up for nothing and you just look silly.

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  8. It’s been 3 years now of ‘not giving up on Winston’ and all we see is regression. Sure his QB rating went up, but his Red Zone completion % fell below 50%. That’s where the games are won. Also, his fumbles increased and his deep ball is still mostly incompletions.

    A 3 win year in what 11 games is hardly hope for improvement.

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    • And yet you completely ig ore the fact that 4 of those losses were 4th quarter defensive collapses and missed field goals. But heck Jameis needs to start playing linebacker and kicker according to you right? Did you miss the game GB won without their QB even throwing a pass in their last two drives? Did you miss the 3 misses fg that wouldve beaten new England? Did you miss tyrod damn Taylor taking 45 seconds to tie a game only to watch Humphries fumble the game away? Did you kiss another chip shot missed fg and swaggy jumping offsides against Carolina? Apparently you didn’t watch any of those games.

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      • I didn’t miss the GB game. Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t that the one where Winston literally handed them a potential 14-point swing in a 6-point loss.

        That GB game?

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      • Or the Vikings game where Case Keenum did his best Joe Montana impression by putting up 4 TD’s on the Vikes first 6 drives. But according to half these JW hating clowns, it was all on him because he threw 3 picks. Well no sh*t, what’s he supposed to do, be “smart” and throw checkdowns, when the Vikings are scoring on every single possession? The lack of football knowledge in these article forums is downright laughable at times

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        • HAHA Dave you are so right!

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  9. I think Fitz wins 2 of the first 3 games. Winston won’t be ready until after the bye, so Fitz will start in Chicago too. Once he is 3-1 and looking good who will want interception and fumble master Winston to come back?

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    • Casey Morgan. I say this with all due respect. You’re a complete moron. Let me be VERY clear…Ryan Fitzpatrick is an absolute joke. Facing the Eagles, Steelers and Saints, the Bucs will be 0-3, Fitz will have 10+ TO’s, and everyone will be reminded of the ridiculous gap in talent between Fitz and Winston. And then(and apparently ONLY then) i can finally stop hearing moronic Bucs fans stop talking about “Fitz went 2-1 as a starter” god almighty, get over that. There’s a reason he’s a backup. And you’ll be reminded of that reason after the first 3 games

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    • “Winston wont be ready until after the bye.” What a stupid thing to say. Stop embarrassing yourself.

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  10. Well said brother, well said.

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  11. Fully enjoyed the article Scott. In the sea of “Gloom and Doom,” for the Buc’s by so many others it was refreshing to read a fair assessment of Jameis and a logical argument for Bridgewater. I even agree with most of your 53 man roster projection. While Winston is a wait and see proposition, for all the reasons you addressed I am optimistic his off field behavior will continue to improve however I am only cautiously optimistic that his on-field performance will improve. Surely Licht has provided players with the potential to win and weapons that hopefully Jameis can use to get us into the playoffs. I am not a fan of nor advocate for another coaching and management capitulation in 2019. In regards to Bridgewater, I would support a trade simply because I have little confidence Ryan and would take the risk for a potential starter.

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  12. Id offer a 6th for bridgewater at the most.

    Jets are going to end up cutting him anyway if McCown beats him out

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    • I agree about them cutting Teddy. He’s done.

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  13. What has Winston done on the field ??? nothing special as he is rated average with all the receivers. After being the 1st pick in the draft Winston has shown NOT to be a leader and should NOT be the face of the bucs.

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    • Shocker a Mariota fan boy thinks that. Read my comments below to show what hes done on the field. But I’m sure you’ll just ignore the facts as usual.

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  14. Great fab 5 Scott. Jameis will absolutely handle this the right way. He is one qb who can deal with that adversity and eliminate the noise. Yoyll have your clowns like a few above who would rather dump him like morons, but those of us with common sense , know his fate will be decided on the field this year. Heres a fun fact for the people who completely disregard his play. In his first 45 games compared to hall of Famer Drew Brees, ben rothlesburger, tomBrady, and Brett farve, Jameis has a better quarterback rating, more yards, and that’s right, a better td to int ratio than all four of them. But our football ” experts” and sjw’s say we should cut him. Dumb sums it up.
    I like signing teddy as a back up. Hes young and I liked him coming out of Louisville.
    Hes not special but hes very serviceable. Our special teams have been the opposite of that the last couple of years. I mean how can other teams pick kickers up off the street that never miss and we cant get one field goal kicker worth a crap? Cant wait for the season to get here.

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    • Perfectly said Cg !

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    • Do you believe Winston is a leader after not being truthful with the coaches or fans? He also has NOT shown as much accuracy with the long ball. (Not necessarly M.M. fan but M.M. has been rated higher then Winston by the nfl every year , so make your excuses.).

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      • Jameis has better stats and is ranked higher than Marcus.

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        • nope

          MM has significantly better total qbr than winston, was rated vastly higher by pff based on game tape analysis, mm started more games amd won way more games, took his team to the playoffs, won a playoff game … while winston took his team to 3-10, and a 3 game suspension this year for drunkenly groping a female and then lying about it for the last year.

          In what alternate universe do you exist in.

          Facts. Unassailable fact, no matter how much the winston fanboys furiously spin, make dumb excuses and attack winston’s victims.

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  15. If our 12 overall draft pick can’t start as a rookie, it does not bode well for his future. Early first round picks should be immediate contributors. Hoping I’m wrong, but I still think passing on Derwin James will come back to haunt the Bucs.

    If Teddy can be acquired for a fourth rounder or later, I’d pull the trigger. He’s on a good contract and the Bucs have no future certainty in the QB room.

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    • A little trip down Memory Lane. Warren Sapp (12th pick in the Draft) couldn’t beat out Santana Dotson his rookie year. Just sayin.

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      • Fair point

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  16. Excuse making for Winston continues. I never liked him, but I hung in and hoped for the best. After 3 years of uneven performances, lots of losing, and a new p-grabbing drama to deal with, plus his phony choir-boy and hard work BS, I’m done. I’m ready for any QB besides Winston. Fuck that guy.

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    • buccaneersNW – What will you do if the Bucs sign him to a long term deal? Quit watching? Worse yet, what if you get your wish and the Bucs release him and shady ass New Orleans picks him up to replace a retiring Drew Brees and he dominates. I bet you’ll blame the Bucs owners for releasing him if that happens.

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  17. Keep Jamies for the long haul. This is just such an over reaction. The guy was drunk, made a pass and backed off. The stuff with Kinsman was garbage from the get go – not one of numerous investigations ever found Jamies culpable. The guy didn’t murder anyone for Pete’s sake. And Tom Jones is an idiot. Why we should care what he thinks is beyond me.

    Regarding Bridgewater, I’ve posted I loved this guy a few years ago. But he’s not that guy anymore. All this Do Something Now discussion is a waste of time and a distraction. The 2018 season will be the deciding factor. If Jamies crashes and burns, we go out and TRADE for a new starter. No more rookies QB’s. Our roster is coming around, and as it matures, why start all over again with a rookie.

    I like the roster analysis. It’s early and this is the fun stuff. How abut we start focusing on that. Jamies isn’t going anywhere for the foreseeable future. Let’s just move on.

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    • Well put.

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  18. Bringing Bridgwater in makes no sense at all. He’s not as good as Winston, but more importantly like Winston at this point he’s not a franchise QB. So if you bring him over we are still working with a place holder it’s same boat we’ve always been in and it should be clear at this point that doesn’t lead to consistency.

    We just hold what we have see how the season plays out. Regardless what happens we draft a QB #1, a accurate one and groom him. If we don’t need him fine if we do he’s there.

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    • The article clearly states that Bridgewater would be the backup QB. How he compares to Winston isnt relevant.

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  19. I wouldn’t waste a 2019 draft pick on trading for anybody at this point in time.
    What I would do is trade one of our players in a swap; we do have some positions of quality depth..

    Just my opinion but we do have an issue at QB for the first 3 games and we do need to have a better backup quarterback at the number 3 spot; Griffin is untested and not the answer.

    I think we still have a need at running back; hard for me to understand the logic of keeping Sims.

    Good article Scott.

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    • Have been waiting for us to cut Sims for two years….

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  20. There are always the blue nosed prigs who can point the finger at others and most of them have done worse things than groping an Uber driver. The Bucs have a magical way of parting with talent that makes a splash for their new team. Aqib Talib and LeGarrette Blount are two that come to mind. After this season we can probably add Doug Martin to the list. I’m tired of the flip flopping and standing on high moral ground, it’s time to think about winning football games. Winston groped the uber gal 2 years ago. Hopefully he has learned a lesson. The NFL is full of crap with this McCarthyism type bullshit and Roger Goodell is the most over paid executive in entire history of the world.

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    • So according to you everybody that does not rape and assault females is a blue nosed prig?

      Anybody who would write or say such an obnoxious abusive slander as you just did is by definition an abusive asshole. You are.

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  21. On your 53 Scott, not sure the Bucs won’t part ways with Humphries, keeping Wilson. Bobo had one catch, touchdown, how many touchdowns Hump have? As for our O line being set, I’ll believe it when I see Dotson play again. Pass on Bridgewater.

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  22. Hey Scott, I have a question for ya,

    Do you have any locker room media insight as to why Josh Robinson is strictly a special teamer and never really given the opportunity to play on defense? A 27 yr old CB now converted into a safety with a 4.31 forty seems a bit odd as to his lack of chances in the secondary. He flashed potential in Minnesota before us as a talented CB. Have any of the coaches ever really divulged the reason for this?

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  23. Like you said here Scott. IF….Winston improves. I’m certainly not seeing that yr to yr improvement I’d thought we’d see. In a way, I’m glad all of this backdoor Jameis crap is brightly shining in the forefront. This kid has gotten more than his fair share of Mulligans on and off the field. He’s under the microscope now..Hell, Telescope!! Winning makes fans sorta forgive. Lose and they continue to say, See, I told you So!!! The only way out for Mr. Winston is to lead and start Winning. Lose and get the walmart reel & rod off season special with Koetter and Smitty!!!

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  24. I guess I’m part of the 10 percent of the people who the writer “assumed” were able to stop drinking when they said they would. From attending AA meetings and other outreach events, I can assure you the number is much higher but the writer is correct in his assumption that there is no guarantee to sobriety.
    Tom Jones also wanted to get rid of Aqib Talib and he got his wish and of course Talib went on to become an All-Pro. Talib is no sterling character that is for sure, but for some strange reason, I still wish he was here. Thanks Jones.
    As far as I see the Winston situation, Jameis got drunk made a pass at a girl and she said no and he stopped. And for that he gets a three game suspension. Give me a break. If he had continued to try and grope the girl after she said no, then throw the book at him. But he stopped on request or when she made hi feel awkward or foolish.
    I kissed a girl one night when I thought it was okay and she slapped me. Should I have been arrested for assault of should she have been. I stopped after that but she didn’t have to slap me. A simple, “don’t do that again,” would have sufficed.”
    Thank god the time to charge me is way past.
    Oh, and I was drinking at the time, too. Misread the signals.
    Cgmaster I am way behind you and your assessments of Winston and his record last year.
    Winston is always going to throw interceptions, the one thing I really hope he improves on is his ball security and stops fumbling. Some aren’t his fault but other times he needs to just go down and live to fight another day like he didn’t do in the Green Bay game.
    Still, he led the team back and if not for a putrid defense against a backup QB who we put no pressure on, the Bucs should have won that game and the Carolina game.
    It does appear from recent reports that Winston has developed somewhat of a chip on his shoulder which I am all for. I have no problem with that or his trainer wearing a t-shirt that says, “Winston vs. the World.”
    Oh and one more thing, as usual.
    For all of those who want Winston fired because of his failed pass attempt against the Uber driver, in the future, when you post those feelings, would you please add that Donnie Trump shouldn’t be President and should resign for his repeated transgressions against women.
    Hey great Fab 5. Really loved it.

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    • drdneast, I really like your thought processes on the football portions of your posts. I disagree with ALL of your political thought processes but that just shows, in America you can have differing opinions but still communicate with respect and like our fellow Brothers and Sisters.

      Go Bucs and go USA!

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  25. Why would we trade a franchise quarterback for a backup? Nothing personal towards Bridgewater and Jameis is my quarterback in all honesty.

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  26. Winston is a POS that treats women like property. You don’t just grow out of that.

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    • You are welcomed to bandwagon for another Team. Just simply….go away….

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    • Our president treats women like property too. This thing starts at the top.

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  27. I concur with your last two statements Buc-n-Philly Fan.
    Now Lord Jameis Christ, are you ready to state that Donnie Trump is the same way, if not worse, and he should resign from his office for engaging in the same behavior on many more occasions than Winston has.
    Please be consistent.

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  28. Good article. Agree with a lot. It definitely Would be smart to have Teddy if it’s just a fourth rd pick., and has more to do with our QB line up than me worrying Winston will get in trouble again or stink it up when he comes back. I have no faith in Griffin. Fitzpatrick is gone after this year, If He gets hurt Bucs are screwed royal IMO. Griffin has done nothing except suck in preseason And get hurt. Not sure what they see in Him really.

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  29. Well getting butt hurt about what Auman said and responding to it shows a nice big fat step backwards. He has time to respond to media about a bunch of BS but still hasn’t addressed the fans who actually matter. Who’s in charge of his PR? Probably a bunch of his buddies from Alabama flippin a coin on how to handle these situations.

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  30. I totally agree, Scott. Bridgewater would be a great backup QB to replace Fritz when he retires and we need to get him now before his value skyrockets. He is a very accurate passer and stays cool in the pocket. As far as the criticism that he does not have the arm strength that Jameis has, I have not been happy with the seven second drop backs that Koetter keeps trying to run because we don’t have the quality LT we need to hold off sackers that long and that results in a lot of sacks and fumbles. Look at the Saints passing game with the three step drops which enabled them to win our Division last year.

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  31. As usual, we are subjected to the continued regurgitation of folks’ predetermined opinions of a story that, does little more than serve to the needs of the “fans” who are still waving the Marcus Mariota banner. The of course, DrD can’t give his otherwise logical viewpoint without getting political on what is supposedly a football site. I really don’t care what the Titans QB does on or off the field.

    It’s just comical to me how some are so utterly pompous that they actually believe only they bask in a flawless, ultra moral high ground world (Tom Jones is Mayor) looking down their collective noses at anyone who has not achieved their level of sainthood. From their cyber pulpit, they are unable to comprehend, and certainly unable to accept, that peop0le do make poor decisions that don’t necessarily have to define them for life. Of course when they struggle to make a valid point there’s always an F-bomb to launch.

    I liked Teddy Bridgewater in college, but at this point it looks like he’s going to be Sam Bradford lite.

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    • Thumbs up on this comment all the way around!

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    • Scubog, I never waved the Marcus Mariota banner in 2015, I fully supported the pick of Jameis at the time with what I knew of the original rape accusation. But like some others I am willing to admit when I’m wrong on someone, so your premise that only Mariota fans are taking Winston to task for this is complete and total BS. Some of us are capable of learning based on new information while others refuse to give in and justify their feelings no matter the change in circumstances Scott Reynolds

      And to your point that we must all be taking some great moral high ground to judge the guy, he was literally accused of rape in college by a girl who went to the hospital the night they had sex, then less than a year after being drafted he was accused of groping an Uber driver while being drunk out of his mind. He denied them both and it took a 9 month NFL investigation to show he lied about his alibi to the second allegation. Yeah, I can firmly say I haven’t gone to the lengths Jameis has with women or lying to cover up my transgressions.

      It is possible to challenge someones behavior when serious allegations are involved. It doesn’t make anyone a hypocrite to be concerned about rape or sexual assault if you can honestly say no one has gone to the hospital after a night of sleeping with you or complained to their boss after giving you a ride which results in a total ban from Uber.

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      • This may come as a shock to you Devasher……..Not everything is about you. I didn’t say it was ONLY Mariota fans, but you can bet that those folks are thumping their “I told you so” chests with glee. There are plenty herein who have bemoaned the Winston choice and have been hoping to see him fail from the start. Apparently you missed all of the continued statistical comparisons fans like Naples dig up.

        No one is condoning Winston’s alleged “cooter touching” in which, like the Tallahassee incident, was no criminal charge.

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        • “subjected to the continued regurgitation of folks’ predetermined opinions ”

          My point is your premise is off. You are generalizing that the opinions presented are predetermined. My example is to show that my opinion was not, there are others who stated they previously supported Winston and stopped and it flushes your “predetermined” piece down the drain. But sure, some people are saying they “told ya so” and Winston is one more allegation from guaranteeing they are right.

          “No one is condoning Winston’s alleged “cooter touching”

          No one is condoning it? Several people here have stated it was a minor deal, trashed the uber driver as a “gold digger” hypothesized she flirted with him as justification, said he backed off, said Ben Roethlisberger is worse, expressed their own experience grabbing women “I even got LAID a few times for being bold. ” as BucWild02 stated under the Randy Moss article.

          That’s a whole lot of “not condoning it” scubog.

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  32. Scubog, I agree with you totally.
    The only reason I bring Donnie up is I believe a good deal of the diatribes directed against Winston have an underlying tone of racism.
    I didn’t see half the hysterical furor created in the media when Ben Rothlesberger was charged with mauling a woman despite her protests although it did come out that Big Ben had a history of such behavior.
    And I can bet the number of Steeler fans calling for the team to get rid of him was far less.
    The same could be said about Kobe Bryant.
    Here is what we do know about the Uber incident. When the young woman said stop, Winston stopped. Whether the woman thought she was being groped of Winston thought he was making a pass is what we don’t know.
    As for me, the behavior didn’t warrant a 3 game suspension, at the most two. It certainly doesn’t even come close to Big Ben’s sexual mauling that got a 4 game suspension.
    As for me, if I ever read another Tom Jones of Martin Fennelly story again it will be to soon for me.
    Jones is a sanctimonious elitist bore and Fennelly is the same but also a snide little twirp.

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    • Ben Roethlisberger was not charged with rape but was accused of it, much like Winston was accused of rape in college. If you want to fully believe Roethlisberger raped a woman because of the accusations against him but simultaneously deny Winston did anything wrong with Kinsman or the Uber driver, that’s on you. It is possible they both did bad things on the nights they were alleged.

      Regarding the race angle, I haven’t heard anyone really defend Roethlisberger here, the white guy, but I have heard lots of defenses for Winston here, the black guy.

      OJ Simpson had the cops called on him several times for domestic violence and was still a celebrity getting lots of work until the double homicide. Bill Cosby had decades of allegedly drugging and raping women before he was finally taken to task, from, of all things a viral video from a black comedian. Donte Stallworth killed a man in a DUI and served 24 days of a month sentence. Michael Vick seems to have rebounded his image a bit after running a dog fighting ring. It’s not always as simple as “Black and White.”

      It’s not like fans dont still have signs for Ben Rapelisberger. Like Big Ben and Vick, Jameis can rebound somewhat from this if he can keep his nose clean but make no mistake, everyone knew the baggage he had coming out of FSU. To put himself in the position he did is on him, not on anyone else.

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    • I don’t see any “racism” here, but who knows what’s in some folks minds…….on both sides. The racism card gets played too often when all other legitimate arguments fail.

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    • I think for me it’s hard not to think about Roethlisberger in the context of what’s happened with Winston recently. I’m not trying to engage in whataboutism with these two, but considering how much this has been raised already in this thread, I’ll share my thoughts. I want to say first, I haven’t watched the documentary or know the specifics about his alleged rape at FSU. So that’s perhaps some willful ignorance on my part. At the end of the day, neither Roethlisberger or Winston were charged. But Roethlisberger was charged with sexual assault twice and in both cases the women said he forcibly raped them. That’s at stark odds with what is alleged in Arizona at least. He was drunk and did something criminal, was confronted, and at least had the wherewithal to stop.

      To me, that’s why he gets one more chance to get his act together. If Roethlisberger was allowed another chance, so too should Winston. I’ve changed my mind about Winston too, but I still think he deserves a chance to continue his career in Tampa… With the understanding that one more mistake will finish it in Tampa and perhaps with the league.

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  33. I agree with you on all your points here Scott. Despite the opinions of many on here, the fact he got a 3 game suspension is proof enough that there was nothing to go on or the NFL would’ve hit him with much more. Even if he did grope the driver (which wouldn’t be acceptable), in her own words he stopped when she addressed it. Let’s not compare getting touchy with rape like I see many of you on here doing. Fact is though, the NFL would never offer a 3 game suspension for inappropriate touching, so obviously there was a lack of anything proving the event happened.

    Trading for Teddy should only be an option for a 5th or 6th round price tag. His skillset isn’t really made for Dirk’s vertical style offense but he can be a decent backup “game manager” type for cheap. As several have said, round 3-5 seems to be Licht’s money rounds so I’d hate to give up a pick in that range for a QB who doesn’t really fit the mold. I’d rather see what we can find in the draft.

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  34. He lied about who was in the car. This is the second time he has been accused of sexual misconduct. Why does this keep happening to him. I don’t think he should be involved with football period. Until he gives us full disclosure. Not a lie or booze excuse. He has not been held accountable about these allegations. The NFL should be an honor to be involved with, not a right What we do know by his own admission he can’t handle his booze. How can you be a leader of men & you can’t handle your oil. (booze). That is almost unamerican. He thinks or wants us to think booze his problem. Without owning up to his behaviors he does not think he has problem. But he has serious issue with the truth & sexual misconduct allegations. I think he should tell the world the truth and take responsibility about his lies and whatever else we don’t know. He should be forced to answer all national medias questions about both allegations basically bare his soul to the world. And then disclose how he is going to get help for his issues. Then and only then should the Bucs & Tampa Bay should embrace him & help him become a better human being. Because he will have shown the world he wants to change. Something like Brandon Marshall did by telling the world he had a borderline personality disorder. Is he a predator or is he entitled sports figure who thinks he can get away with it. Either way he needs help, beyond a three game suspension. Yo Mr. Reynolds how the adult females in your family feel about Winston? If does not bare soul to the world he should be kicked out of football on every level. All eyes on him, they will give him the tools destroy himself if he allows it. It is not always about wins & losses, guys. Winston need to hear Tupac’s mother. All that charity work with kids is bull, he is sending the wrong message unless he gives full disclosure about everything kids can see straight thru a liar. To many questions to be answered for him to be crowned good for the kids of any community. Stand up Jameis & face da music live in person in every espn loving living room across America let Stephen A. Smith do the exclusive. Right now he the Bucs & the NFL looks like a cowards running from the truth.

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