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SR’s Fab 5 is a collection of inside scoop, analysis and insight from yours truly, PewterReport.com publisher and Bucs beat writer Scott Reynolds. Here are a few things that caught my attention this week at One Buc Place and around the NFL.

FAB 1. Should The Bucs Let DJax Stay Or Go?

What should the Bucs do with wide receiver DeSean Jackson, who stands to make $10 million in the final year of his Tampa Bay contract?

Should he stay or should he go?

NFL Network reporter Ian Rapoport reported that Bucs head coach Bruce Arians is keen on the idea of talking Jackson into sticking around, as Jackson, who averaged 18.9 yards per catch last year, is one of the NFL’s all-time best deep threats, and Arians loves his quarterback taking deep shots early and often in games.

But isn’t Jackson a disgruntled malcontent?

That’s the picture that was painted by long-time Bucs beat writer Rick Stroud in the Tampa Bay Times right before Christmas when he documented some of Jackson’s alleged misdeeds during a tumultuous 2017 season – Jackson’s first in red and pewter.

“Jackson refused to play catch with one of his coaches one day before practice and was told to sit out. … Just before Christmas last year, he played cards in the locker room with his former Washington teammate, defensive tackle Chris Baker, and was late to a meeting. When told he would be fined again, Jackson erupted and kicked over a display Bucs receivers were using for a secret Santa gift exchange. He then became involved in a physical altercation with one of his coaches and had to be restrained by a teammate.”

The Big Takeaway
I caught up with former Bucs wide receivers coach Skyler Fulton this week and asked him about Jackson’s behavior behind the scenes at One Buccaneer Place. There are usually two sides to every story, and Fulton painted a much different picture of Jackson in speaking to PewterReport.com.

“Everybody loves DeSean,” Fulton said. “DeSean is a great teammate in terms of being in the meeting room helping mentor the young guys, talking to them about things he’s seen in his 11 years from a coverage standpoint or a release standpoint. Being out on the practice field, coaching guys up when they’re doing certain things.

Bucs WR DeSean Jackson - Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR
Bucs WR DeSean Jackson – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR

“Like there are so many things that DeSean does behind the scenes that people don’t recognize or get to see because they’re not around and DeSean’s not the kind of guy that’s really going to go out and talk people into thinking he’s a really good guy or a really good teammate. He’s just going to come and do what he needs to do every day and he’ll let people say what they’re going to say.”

I will say this. Not everyone agrees with Fulton’s opinion. I think I know I who Stroud spoke with at One Buccaneer Place, and in no way is this column meant to refute what he reported in the Tampa Bay Times. I spoke with another former Bucs coach in Mobile, Ala. who grew tired of Jackson demonstratively pouting on the sidelines about not getting the ball and essentially agreed with the Tampa Bay Times report.

Yet, the reality is that all of Tampa Bay’s assistants under Dirk Koetter have been fired and won’t be back in 2019. Arians has said that every player will begin with a fresh slate under him, and he’s willing to talk to Jackson about remaining a Buccaneer.

I wanted to find out why that might be the case and found a different perspective on Jackson when talking to Fulton, who was willing to go on the record and present that viewpoint to PewterReport.com readers.

Fulton was Jackson’s position coach for one year, but was Todd Monken’s assistant receivers coach in 2017 when Monken ran the room before becoming the Bucs’ play-caller last year. Fulton addressed Jackson’s lack of note-taking in my conversation with him Wednesday night.

Bucs WR DeSean Jackson - Photo by: Getty Images
Bucs WR DeSean Jackson – Photo by: Getty Images

“Listen, DeSean could go to Cancun on Monday, be there all week, fly back on Saturday night and I promise you he’ll be open all day on Sunday,” Fulton said. “DeSean has seen every coverage you could see over the last 11 years. He knows exactly what defenses are trying to do to him. Week in and week out he knew exactly what the game plan was, how they were going to try and stop us and what he needed to do from the standpoint of running routes from every spot on the field. It’s football – it’s not rocket science.

“One thing you’ll find out is that playing in the league for 11 years, there is a lot of repetitive stuff and DeSean understands all of that. So DeSean took notes, but from a standpoint of whether that’s relevant or not, I think it’s relevant, but it gets overblown. I think at the end of the day, when you can show up to your job and do your job at the highest level consistently, that’s what it really comes down to on game day. Now from Monday through Saturday it’s about being a good teammate, being a pro, being on time to meetings, knowing what you’re supposed to do, not being a distraction and those types of things and DeSean did what he was supposed to do.”

I asked Fulton about Jackson reportedly being late to team meetings in 2017.

“What I can tell you is, not one time did I ever fine DeSean for being late to anything,” Fulton said. “I can’t speak for anyone else because it’s not like when people get fined they send everyone in the building a notice, but what I do know is that zero times was DeSean ever fined by me for anything. Not just being late to meetings, but for anything at all.”

As the Tampa Bay Times alluded to in it’s December 21 article, Jackson’s behavior was better in 2018, largely due to his hot start in which he had nine catches for 275 and three touchdowns in the first two games of the season in helping Tampa Bay start the season 2-0 with wins at New Orleans and against Philadelphia in Bucs’ home opener. But things appeared to go south when Jameis Winston replaced Ryan Fitzpatrick as the starting quarterback following the Chicago game.

Bucs QB Ryan Fitzpatrick and WR DeSean Jackson - Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR
Bucs QB Ryan Fitzpatrick and WR DeSean Jackson – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR

It’s no secret that Winston struggled to connect with Jackson during the deep ball over the last two seasons. In games that Fitzpatrick started, Jackson caught 28 passes for 561 yards three touchdowns. In games that Winston started, he only caught 13 passes for 213 yards and one touchdown.

Jackson injured his thumb against San Francisco and missed four of the last five games of the season – all of which Winston started, which diminished his productivity with Winston at the helm. There were games, such as the Bucs’ 27-9 win against the 49ers, where Jackson was frustrated by his failure to connect with Winston. In that game he was targeted eight times, but caught just three passes for 19 yards. In his final game of the season, a 27-20 loss at Dallas, Jackson was targeted four times, but only caught one pass for 24 yards.

“I’m saying that I understand DJax’ frustration,” Fulton said. “I think, any time you’re on a team that isn’t winning as many games as everybody hopes they do, if you’re a really good player, you look to yourself to figure out what you can do to help the team win. And if you’re a guy like DJax who thinks he can get the ball more and if you’re getting open and you’re not getting the ball – it’s frustrating. Now, there are a lot of things that go into that in terms of protection, and reads, and play calls and all that that are out of a lot of people’s control.

Former Bucs WRs coach Skyler Fulton - Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR
Former Bucs WRs coach Skyler Fulton – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR

“But I think ultimately, what people don’t understand is that, DJax is just a super competitive professional that’s at the very top of his profession. He’s been at the top for a long time, and when you’re 11 years in, you don’t necessarily have a lot of time to burn. So the sense of urgency of making plays and taking advantage of every opportunity is at an all-time high, as it should be, for a guy that’s played as long as he has. And when you don’t have success and you’re doing what you should be doing, it’s a frustrating situation. But football is a game where there are so many variables and guys depend on everybody else, that just goes along with the job.”

So the biggest issue is Winston’s inability to consistently connect with Jackson on deep throws. The two only connected on two deep passes last year – a 54-yard bomb at Tennessee during the preseason, and a 60-yard touchdown strike at Cincinnati that gave Jackson the record for most TD catches of 60 yards or more in NFL history with 24, surpassing Hall of Fame wide receiver Jerry Rice.

On NFL Network, Jackson openly campaigned for Fitzpatrick to remain the starter after the Bucs’ 2-0 start when Winston was set to return after his three-game suspension to start the season.

“He’s playing on fire right now,” Jackson said of Fitzpatrick on NFL Network. “With the way the team is rallying behind him and just playing lights-out football, you have to kind of honor it. You can’t take the hot man out. You got the hot fire right now. It’s like NBA Jam. We used to play NBA Jam — whoever got that hot fire shot, you got to keep shooting, man. It’s not my decision but I’m sure Dirk and Coach Monken and the guys that make those calls, they’ll make sure they stay on fire until that fire is out. We’re going to stay on fire. That’s our job, to stay on fire and that’s what we’re going to do.”

Bucs WR DeSean Jackson and former HC Dirk Koetter
Bucs WR DeSean Jackson and former HC Dirk Koetter – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR

Jackson also requested to be traded in October once Winston returned as a starter, but was turned down by general manager Jason Licht, who believed that having Jackson on the roster gave the team the best chance for winning. After Winston was benched for Fitzpatrick following a four-interception outing against Cincinnati on October 28, Jackson changed his tune about staying in Tampa Bay on his podcast, which was recorded on Halloween.

“I love it here in Tampa,” Jackson said. “You know, I’m raising my family. My family loves it down here. I love the weather. I love the beaches. There’s a lot to do, but it’s still a low-key, quiet place, as well, too. The city is embracing me, man. And I appreciate the fan support and all the love. Hopefully, man, I can end my career here – retire as a Buc, man. That’s what I look forward to. And hopefully bringing a Super Bowl to Tampa Bay.”

Once Winston returned to the lineup as the permanent starter down the stretch and the losses continued to mount, Jackson began to switch gears, telling ESPN’s Josina Anderson in December that he wanted out of Tampa.

Fulton said that there is nothing personal between Jackson and Winston – only that the two have yet to gain the necessary chemistry to be consistently successful at doing what Jackson does best, which is catch the deep ball. Fulton believes that can still happen entering Year 3 of the relationship between Winston and Jackson.

“No question,” Fulton said. “I mean they’re both professionals. I think that they’re both committed to making it work in terms of having success together. There’s not an issue there, to me, other than these guys getting on the same page. And when they do, it’ll be a deadly thing. There’s no question. I mean it’s just the consistency of it and they’re both capable of making it happen.”

Bucs wide receiver Mike Evans, who is playing in the Pro Bowl over in Orlando this week, told the Tampa Bay Times that he wants Jackson to stay in Tampa.

Bucs WRs Mike Evans and DeSean Jackson and QB Jameis Winston - Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR
Bucs WRs Mike Evans and DeSean Jackson and QB Jameis Winston – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR

“Of course, of course,” Evans said. “He’s an extraordinary player with an extraordinary talent that you can’t find just anywhere. We went fishing. I hope he comes back. If not, it’s his decision and the team’s decision.”

Fulton was on that fishing trip with the Bucs wide receivers and said that while Jackson did sell his home in Tampa, Fulton said that Jackson bought another home in the Tampa Bay area closer to the water because he likes to fish.

Jackson was recently approached by TMZ regarding Arians’ comments about wanting him to stay in Tampa Bay, but said that he hasn’t spoken to the Bucs’ new head coach yet.

Fulton can understand why Arians wants him to remain a Buccaneer.

“I mean DeSean hasn’t played in the league for 11 years because he isn’t super talented,” Fulton said. “I mean there’s one DeSean Jackson, and then there are a lot of guys that people compare to DeSean and there are a lot of guys that people project that hopefully will be DeSean. But at the end of the day there’s one DeSean Jackson. There’s one guy that has the record for 60-yard touchdowns in the NFL. I mean he has more 60-yard touchdowns than Jerry Rice.

Bucs WR DeSean Jackson - Photo by: Cliff Wel
Bucs WR DeSean Jackson – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR

“When you really think about some of the things that he’s accomplished and at his age the level that he’s still playing at. When you look at the tape, like I said, go look at the tape and DeSean is open. Every game he’s playing he’s out there running on air, so it doesn’t surprise me at all because there are not guys like DeSean around. There are guys that can run fast and some guys that understand it but guys that have been around and have the experience that he has and understand what guys are trying to do to him, there’s just nobody else like that.”

The FABulous Ending
Fulton didn’t mention Monken by name in my interview, but I believe there were issues between Monken and Jackson because Monken is a no-nonsense coach that probably didn’t tolerate Jackson’s attitude when it went south. Remember, it was Monken that caused some waves when he publicly stated that Jackson came to Tampa Bay because of the money and needed to earn it in 2017. Of course there wasn’t anything factually wrong with Monken saying that, and Monken was known to speak his mind in a blunt way and not give a damn. That coaching style might have caused some friction between Monken and Jackson.

Arians is a strong-willed coach and believes he can handle Jackson, yet he inserted himself into the fray in Pittsburgh by saying that his former player, Steelers wide receiver Antonio Brown, was “too much of a diva” and saying that “A-holes usually run in the receivers room” when discussing the dysfunction in Pittsburgh between Brown, quarterback Ben Roethlisberger and head coach Mike Tomlin. So is Arians playing with fire by having to deal with Jackson’s potential volatile nature in Tampa Bay?

Bucs head coach Bruce Arians - Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR
Bucs head coach Bruce Arians – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR

Arians surely believes he can develop Winston as a deep-ball passer to create more connections between Jackson and the Bucs quarterback, and that would solve the problem. But if Winston can’t consistently hit Jackson on the deep balls, which are a big part of Arians’ offense, then Jackson’s sour attitude will likely re-emerge once again during the season. Arians has to know this going in, and there is a risk in keeping Jackson around for one more year.

Yet, Arians is Mr. No Risk It, No Biscuit, and believes in second chances.

I’ve publicly stated that the Bucs shouldn’t have to talk anyone in to staying that doesn’t want to be here. Licht and Koetter shouldn’t have talked aging cornerback Brent Grimes into playing one more year in Tampa Bay. Grimes played poorly, had a bad attitude and that negatively affected the team.

Apparently, Jackson’s teammates don’t have a problem with him, but if he doesn’t want to be a Buccaneer, he should hit the road. If Jackson wants to stay in Tampa Bay and Arians and the Bucs coaches want him, then he needs to be all-in and not pout when he doesn’t get the ball.

Yet ultimately, Licht may decide Jackson’s fate because for the first time in a long time, the Bucs are cap-strapped in 2019 after being flush with cap space over the last several years. But big-money contract extensions to Evans, guard Ali Marpet, tight end Cam Brate and Winston’s $20.92 million cap value this year leave the Bucs with just over $12 million in cap room entering 2019.

Bucs GM Jason Licht and WR DeSean Jackson - Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR
Bucs GM Jason Licht and WR DeSean Jackson – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR

There will have to be some salary cap casualties, and paying $10 million to a player that was the fourth receiver on the Bucs last year in terms of production behind Evans, Adam Humphries and Chris Godwin, catching 41 passes for 774 yards and four touchdowns, might be too rich for Tampa Bay in 2019. Especially with several important players slated to become free agents in March, including left tackle Donovan Smith, middle linebacker Kwon Alexander and Humphries, who was second on the team in catches with 76 receptions for 816 yards and five touchdowns.

Whether Jackson stays in Tampa Bay might end up being more about economics than it is about desire.

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Scott Reynolds is in his 24th year of covering the Tampa Bay Buccaneers as the vice president, publisher and senior Bucs beat writer for PewterReport.com. Author of the popular SR's Fab 5 column on Fridays, Reynolds oversees web development and forges marketing partnerships for PewterReport.com in addition to his editorial duties. A graduate of Kansas State University in 1995, Reynolds spent six years giving back to the community as the defensive line coach for his son's Pop Warner team, the South Pasco Predators. Reynolds can be reached at: [email protected]

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  1. The Pewter trolls do not like Jackson cause he pointed out that Winston can not throw consitant accurate pass deep They can’t stand he was Fitz fan. PEWTER TROLLS WANT HIM GONE FOR NOT BUYING INTO BS THAT JAMEIS IS MORE THAN A BOTTOM 10 QB

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    • Great point, except Arians is excited to work with Jameis. So Jameis is staying. Does that make Bruce Arians a Pewter Troll?

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    • I only see one pewter troll buc ass and that’s you. But hey you were the genius who thought nick foles would be in the bucs roster. Wrong again.

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    • Lol. It’s always good to see you bob, uninformed as usual. The only troll most of us see is you pouting like a little child about a quarterback. It’s literaly the only Thing you seem to have an opinion on. You call people like us trolls yet people like me provide facts to the convo. All you ever do is regurgitate the same nonsense. Weird how Jamie’s had no other problems throwing deep to Godwin, Evans, and Oj. Keep pouring, one day someone will give you the thumbs up on a post

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      • Watch it with the big words, boho. I’m sure FUC-ASS-BOB has his dictionary out when he sits to read the comments, but regurgitate may be a little big for him

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    • I can see that you have more NFL coaching experience than Bruce Arians, who loves Jameis Winston…oh wait

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    • Dang it bobby

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    • There doesn’t seem to be a problem with the other receivers. Perhaps the issue with not connecting lies at the feet of both players.

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  2. We should just be happy that our new staff seems interested in forming their own opinions on talented players. Not taking the word from previous failed regimes or the slanted reporting from media outlets. Bruce will be judged on his ability to win games and if he thinks he can work with Desean, who is under contract, then let him. Everybody knew Desean was poorly utilized here, it seemed like if the deep wasn’t connecting then this staff was fresh out of ways to use him. Missing the deep shots wouldn’t be that big of a thing if he was getting targets and catches elsewhere on the field which he is more than capable of doing. I’m will never say a player is done because he’s rebelling against the god awful losing mentality that sifts through our organization. He could be quiet like GMC but then people would question his passion and want to, give me a break. If he’s willing to give it a shot and Bruce is the guy Pewter Report has stood on tables saying he is then he will figure out a way to make it work. Good teams don’t improve but losing talented players who are simply not content losing and playing no role in the offense. Make it work, that’s why coaches get paid all the big money.

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    • Great take on the Djax issue. You should post more often.

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    • It’s not just the missed opportunities on long balls. It’s the lack of effort on multiple occasions. Out routes, crossing patterns, miscommunications. A fact: He was the 4th best receiver on the team last year. Blame it on the rain if you want to, but that guy is a luxury the Bucs can’t afford. According to Sportrac.com, Jackson is the 5th highest paid Buccaneer out of 53. 11th highest paid WR in the NFL. Bucs should keep him if he restructures to 3mil per year.

      McCoy’s chances of staying are even worse than D.Jax. He is the 2nd highest paid Buc and 6th hghest paid at his postion in the NFL. His statistical comps played hundreds less snaps last year and produced similar results(tackles, sacks, ff, tfl). Sportrac compars GMC’s results to I. Rochell(LAC). Rochell will earn 550k. He had 1 less sack, 2 more tackles, and one int…with 203 less snaps.

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  3. Chemistry matters most. Jackson and Winston have played together 2 years and their chemistry isn’t there. Round hole, square peg. Keep Hump, elevate Bobo and Watson.

    Evans, Godwin, Hump, Wilson, and Watson looks good to me and they are already good with Winston at QB.

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    • Quick question:
      He may not be a speed guy, or a BA guy, or a former Steeler/Colt/Cardinal, but he will be a free agent next year and may come cheap. Yep, Im talking about Winston’s favorite WR at FSU – Kelvin Benjamin. Do the Bucs bring him in if they lose Hump and Jackson?

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      • As a nole fan, heck no on Benjamin. He cant keep his weight in check and he really doesnt bring anything to the table that we dont already have.

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        • Good points. I just knew he got bounced from Carolina to Buffalo to KC. He didn’t really contribute in his limited time in KC. I was thinking about how large the WR/TE corps would be with him in the lineup, but you make really good points about his weight and his redundancy.

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  4. Deion Sanders said receivers are all like this because they have to depend on another man for their success and its true. They are all Divas. In this case there has been no chemistry between Winston and Jackson. It depends on how bad he’s trashed Winston and if its beyond the point of no return. We don’t know the details. It was the wrong move to bring him here but since he is under contract for another year and we have a new coach they have to explore it. Let’s just hope if he stays its well thought out and it better work out or this will be a black eye for Arians. We cant afford any more personnel mistakes here if we are to see a quick turnaround like Arians says.

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    • I agree that they are to an extent, but I have yet to see Evans, Godwin, or hump have any complaints about this teams quarterback no matter who it was behind center. If your a team player than you don’t hear much, but when you have people like Terell Owens, mesean, Steve Smith, Antonio brown, they care about winning but their stats are just as important to them.

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  5. Very good Fab Five Scott. It’s been awhile since lack of salary cap space has been an issue. I don’t believe it’s unrealistic to ask Dotson, Jackson, McCoy to take a 25% paycut; if there was pushback then I would move on from them. Just my opinion.

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    • Good point Horse. However, the last time we had salary cap issues was when we were coming off a Superbowl win.

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  6. If they are not willing to take less money, Bucs will have to move on. No way they are paying McCoy 13 million next year and Jackson 10 million. They are both very good players. I doubt we can get anything now for either of them.

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  7. Maybe in your next Fab 5 Scott you can go over the Jet FA’s on defense Bowles might be more interested in. I think there are several LB’s, and a couple of corners that we might target. Another LB that might fit better in a 3-4 then Kwon who’s coming off an ACL would be C.J. Moseley.

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  8. If the season starts and Bruce Arians hasn’t gotten himself a better quarterback I will not feel so sorry for him if he wants to throw away his last chance on a quarterback rated 90% good luck to him . Why is it when I’m on the street and I asked people about Winston I can’t find anybody that likes him must be the Clearwater Hood maybe that’s different than the hood CG master and Chef boho live in.

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    • They’ll probably draft a developmental QB in the mid rounds or later rounds.

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    • Maybe it’s because your crowd doesn’t want to be waterboarded by one of your nonsense tirades arguing a point of view that differs from yours. Winston isn’t going anywhere. You should just accept it.

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    • Haha nope nick foles isnt coming clown. Neither is bell. Just accept that you are constantly as wrong. But in a sense I do enjoy the good laugh from your incoherent posts about things you clealry dont know anything about.

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  9. Again, if Jackson doesn’t want to be here… then scadattle out of here! Every WR knows that complaining about getting the ball/and ur QB is the quickest way to ensure u will continue not getting the ball! Jaskson showed his stripes last year… I think his salary back on the cap is more important than his selfish attitude! The Bucs and their Administration has decided to go with Jameis this coming year! That’s that! If u don’t like Jameis… I for one can understand that view point…but as a Buc fan… enough already! BA is here with his 18 assistant coaches and there will be no excuses this year! Cut the dead wood, free up some cap space and find those players who might want to come to the beautiful and sunny Tampa Bay! Go Bucs!

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    • Lol. Scadattle is a funny word.

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  10. Honestly, I’d rather just keep Humphries and maybe find a younger/cheaper deepthreat.

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  11. Bob your such an idiot it’s just laughable. So the idiots on the street know more than Arians about Winston and his potential? Ah makes lots of sense. Lol 😂. This coming from the moron who told us all year JPP and Vea both sucked.

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  12. Wasn’t it you fredster was talking about Winston the MVP in the Super Bowl couple years back for three years I’ve been told how stupid I am for saying Winston’s going to finish last in the division. Bruce Arians is going to say nothing but good for everybody that’s on the roster until they’re not on the roster if he wants to go in the next year with Winston then he can sit at the bottom of the division again just like The two coaches before him you know why fredster because Winston is a loser again he loses that’s what he does is lose year after year

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    • Just give Winston a chance to prove himself with Arians, if Arians can not get Winston playing at a high level, then you are right Bob. Til then, you should support him and hope for the best..it’s another new year with a proven coach and I am hoping he brings out the best in Winston.

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    • Ahhh yes, bob and his “quarterbacks are the only ones responsible for losses” combo. Do you realize how stupid that comment really is? Why is it that I’ve mentioned several time how many losses the coaches, the defense, and the kicking has cost this team wins yet you seem to think that all rests on the quarterback. No, Winston isn’t perfect, far from it. In fact there’s definitely games he himself has lost due to his play. But to think he’s the reason for all of our losses just shows exactly how uninformed you are about football. It’s why no one takes you seriously or probably ever will. Now take your meds and relax already. Let Arians, who knows a lot more than us, handle Jamie’s and this team.

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    • Arians has forgotten more than you’ll ever know buc ass. Move on o tr pick a new team. I love that having jameis here drives you nuts. Its comical watching you regurgitate post after posts of rambles.

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  13. Restructure McCoy contract. Let Gholston and DJax go. Re-sign Kwon, Humphries, Donovan as RT, Glanton(depth). Sign Minter(depth), Honey Badger, Nelson, Hunt & Iupati. OL – Jonah/Iupati/Jensen/Marpet/D Smith

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    • I am hoping Mathieu does not resign with the Texans so we can bring him here!

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    • Bucs currently have 12m in cap space. If they cut DJax, that adds 10m and Gholston adds back 3.75m. Restructure McCoy to what? 10m? That would save 3m. New Cap Space 12m+10m+3.75m+3m=28.75m

      D.Smith will get 13-14m/year
      Hump played for 3m on a 1 year deal last year. He earned more than he was paid. 4-6m/yr likely.
      Thats 17-20m.

      8-11m left to sign Kwon, Glanton, Minter, Matthieu, Nelson, Hunt, and Iupati? Math doesnt want to add up.

      Bucs have a lot of work to do and I just don’t see how they keep D.Jax or McCoy at a fair price.

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      • The Bucs are not going to sign Kareem Hunt forget about it. And all this talk about BA wanting Djax is a smokescreen to boost trade value, the Bucs aren’t paying 10mil for a WR not named Mike Evans. As far as the Cap senerios you layout you left off Brate, at 8mil he’s a luxury the Bucs can’t afford and shouldn’t at the expense of loosing Mccoy. Then there’s Humphrey reports are he wants around 5mil, are you paying Hump at the expense of loosing Kwon, FA guard or LT or even safety. The point I’m making is Brate and Humphrey are likely Cap Casualties.

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        • I left Brate out for a good reason. He was just signed to a 6 year deal last year. He played through a fractured hip. He has more TDs over the last 3 years than all other TE’s except 3. His number is 7 million and he’s Winston’s favorite red zone receiver. Brate is part of the solution, not problem.

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          • I’ll just say it this way Brate may be a good guy but Brate does not play LT,LB,CB,Safety or DT for that matter. I believe he’ll be a cap casualty because the Bucs have all these other holes to fill.

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  14. Why are we even talking about D-Jax staying with this team. Move him, cut him, who cares.

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  15. Firmly in the “let D-Jax go” camp. His chemistry with Jameis just hasn’t been there, he’s holding back Godwin (who deserves to start and to have more targets), and we need the $10 million earmarked for him elsewhere. Nothing personal.

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  16. Hold on to D-J for buy-in on Arian offense & Winston, trade-bait or until the last day to drop a malcontent free of charge. D-A-B your position is loud and clear, please give it a rest.

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  17. Just cut MeSean and move on. He’s one of the most inefficient and overpaid receivers in the NFL. Winston isn’t great at the deep ball, but DeSean giving up on the ball when it isn’t perfectly thrown is inexcusable. Arians is just saying he wants to keep Jackson to try and sucker some other team into a trade.

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  18. There is no doubt that DJax is a good WR, but if he is not happy here in Tampa that may affect his play and others on the team. If he wants to be traded then trade him, we could certainly use the draft picks and a lower CAP number.

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  19. Please TRADE him. Some team will find value in him. Be creative but get something for him as I think he has a couple of years in him. VALUE!!

    Go Bucs !!!

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  20. DJax needs to go. We don’t need the attitude or pouting. Disrupts team chemistry. What is really bothersome is his receiver coach sounds like a fan boy more that a coach. Man the ball washing going on by him is crazy.

    They can make some cap room. Cut Djax (10 Mill), Cut Vin Curry (8 Mill), Restructure McCoy (6 Mill) he not worth 13 Mill at this point in his career, Smith O Line 2 Million, Conte 2 Million, Urien 3 Mill = 31 million + the 12 they have is 43 Mill.

    Figure 13 D Smith and 6 Hump still leaves 24 Mill. I don’t see Kwon getting what he reportedly wants at 12 Mill a year. If he gets it god bless but not here. He is a good player not a 12 mill player. i would spend 8 at the most on him.

    the numbers estimates but they can make room.

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  21. I agree BucWild! Historically, when a new coach takes over… change is inevitable. In our case this change may be good. Dump salary and any malcontents. BA will want his boyz that he feels will give him the best chance to succeed. We only have like 10-12 core players… the rest are interchangeable with other Free Agents. Dump the expensive, old, and underperforming players. In our case change is good! Rebuild the roster and the attitudes! I’m just saying…Go Bucs!

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  22. Hey last fan standing… I like ur choices to be cut go! Don’t forget Gholdston the D-Lineman… that dude was signed to a new big contract that he had no business being offered… I never hear his name called…ever! We need some Dogs that can hunt!

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  23. Im not even worried bout our offense…why are we so concerned about djax when we clearly have like 6 wr’s/TE’s who can get the job done..yea we need a rb and a lil tweak in the o-line but that will get fixed…the defense should be all the focus and talk this offseason…if defense improve we’ll be playoff bound no doubt in my mind. The defense doesn’t even need to be great just top 15 and its game over…am i wrong??

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    • Nope, not wrong. I would say spot on

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  24. There is no need to cut any of the players under contract until the end of Training Camp when the 53 man roster is to be set. Cutting a player allows a Division rival to scoop them up. Trading them gives Licht a bit more control of the destination. I know, we all want to trade players, or a package of players, we believe to be expendable and costly before the April Draft to acquire more picks, but that just rarely happens. What does happen is players get injured during Training Camp and teams can get desperate to replace them. Nothing wrong with the compensation being paid in 2020.

    Let’s allow this new coaching staff evaluate the roster, the locker room persona and one on one conversations to make their own opinions and not rely on often biased hearsay. No need to be hasty for spite only to regret it later. We don’t need our players enriching our opponents if they can be salvaged.

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    • I Agree Scu, I would not try to evaluate any of our roster through the eyes of Arians and his coaching staff. At this point it will be fun to sit back and watch an entire new staff and scheme develop, and not being to shocked to see a Buc’s team totally reincarnated in 2019.

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  25. I don’t understand the frequent use of the word chemistry. We’ve all been watching the truly elite QBs in the playoffs. Can Winston throw the deep ball accurately with any consistency, yes or no?

    I think anyone who puts emotions and what they want to be true vs what is aside would say, at least so far in his NFL career, the answer is no.

    So the next question becomes given that, does it make good business sense to pay $10 million a year to a WR whose biggest value add is as a deep ball threat?

    Once again being objective, the answer is no. We have way too many holes in the roster to allocate that much capital to a resource we can’t appropriately utilize. We are not the right home for that asset.

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    • Well said. I would substitute “chemistry” for timing. Winston works on his timing with every other WR on the team. Seem he has “chemistry” with everyone else. D Jax never made to off season workouts or OTA’s his first season while Evans, Brate and Humphries all got lost of time with #3 before training camp ever started. Not much different last season and then Winston road the pines for a while. For guys that put in the work, “chemistry” happens. When guys don’t, they don’t connect on game day. Time to let D Jax go and find someone that will play on his terms.

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    • Well said. I would substitute “chemistry” for timing. Winston works on his timing with every other WR on the team. Seem he has “chemistry” with everyone else. D Jax never made to off season workouts or OTA’s his first season while Evans, Brate and Humphries all got lots of time with #3 before training camp ever started. Not much different last season and then Winston road the pines for a while. For guys that put in the work, “chemistry” happens. When guys don’t, they don’t connect on game day. Time to let D Jax go and find someone that will play on his terms.

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  26. I would like to see us draft D line and RB early and bring in a vet or 2 in the secondary. I think we should try to trade up with our 1st pick packaged with Djax and or GMC for the Niners 2 overall pick so we can take Quinnen Williams DT from Bama and then take Zack Allen DE from Boston with our 2nd pick. I also like Devin Singletary RB in the 3rd. Then concentrate the remaining picks on O line. We can try to couple up our later picks with Vinny Curry and or Will Golsten to move back into the 3rd or second round to get a better OG or OT. If we can dump Curry, Golsten, GMC, Djax, we would have the salary cap room to go after a vet in the secondary like S Earl Thomas , go after Clowney, tag OT Smith, sign Kwon Alexander, sign Humphries . With everything I mentioned (yes I might be dreaming) we would have a D line rotation of Vita Vea NT, Zack Allen DE/DT, Quinnen Williams DT/DE, Clowny DE/OLB, Bow Allen NT, JPP DE/OLB, Carl Nassib DE/OLB and a young secondary led by one of the best safety’s to ever play the game in Earl Thomas.

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  27. trade Djax or Winston

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  28. No Bob I never said anything about Winston in a Super Bowl or an MVP. Your on crack. Go back and find my quote saying anything remotely like that. Winston has high potential, Arians sees it and is smarter than you or any of us on this board. He isn’t going anywhere so pick another team to be a “fan” of or go cry elsewhere how he and practically everyone on this team sucks.

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  29. I would really like to see something different in our running game. For many years the the emphasis has been put on passing, pass rush, pass defense, pass blocking and while I fully realize that the game is predominantly pass oriented there is nothing more exciting than a back that can consistently rip off 8-9 yards per carry and is a constant threat to take it to the house even time he touches the ball. I guess I am Old School enough to miss Barry Sanders, Walter Peyton, a young Adrian Peterson and yes, OJ and Jim Brown. and Larry Csonka.

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  30. Dman (funny how autocorrects to damn: – ) you make a good point about reps and timing. I don’t recall Winston being very accurate with long ball no matter who has been throwing to over the years, but he did have some success later in the season so perhaps what you said is partly the reason.

    Matt I respectfully disagree with the idea of waiting until the 4th round to invest in OL. We need high caliber 10-yr starters there not semi-projects, we’ve tried the latter approach and it has gotten us nowhere.

    Also hard to stomach spending a 3rd round pick on RB after Licht whiffed on Sims and may have on RoJo. RoJo needs to come around or could be one of last nails in Licht’s career coffin in BA’s era of accountability. You know when the practices start there will be multiple times he looks at Licht and thinks WTF?

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  31. We should try to keep DJax for one reason, Winston. If Winston can’t put the ball on consistently and accurately when asked he’s likely to struggle with any speedster we might pickup down the road. For the 5th year now Winston will be under evaluation. After which we cut or swallow the $80-100M long term deal. We need to know if Winston can improve that deep ball accurately with explosive players.

    Eating his $10 million for one more year is worth more to the team right now than because of that extended eval. With him wanting out it’s going to be hard to get anything for him anyway. So if BA can get him stay that really is best option for the team.

    I’m clearly not pro Winston, but if that’s what we are doing then we need to know if Winston can correct this or not. If he can’t we know pursuing that type of talent wont likely workout with him.

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  32. I knew at the beginning of the year that D Jax & Winston probably wouldn’t have better chemistry because Fitz was getting all the starter reps because Winston was suspended. Then Winston was out 3 games (suspension) and wasn’t even allowed to be at the facility. And Fitz stayed in as the starter next 3 games so there wasn’t enough time for Winston & D Jax to grow on there chemistry.
    I don’t even read Buc Ass Bobs post anymore. I just look to to see how many down thumbs there are and know that i will feel the same way so I just click ” Thumb Down” LOL GO BUCS!!!

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  33. Also then D Jax missed a lot of games (with injury) when winston finally styed in as QB so how were they ever suppose to build chemistry in 2018. weren’t gonna happen. GO BUCS!!!

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  34. One thing is for deehyam skippy..Arians is not going to tolerate dissencion or squabbles on his team. If Jackson starts his cryin and antics, he will be gone or on the bench. I get a feeling Jackson is gone. For maybe a 3rd rounder. Arians does not tolerate foolishness. Jackson can pout elsewheres.

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