FAB 5. SR’s Buc Shots

• In my conversation with former Bucs wide receivers coach Skyler Fulton, I presented a different side of the DeSean Jackson situation, and perhaps revealed why new Bucs head coach Bruce Arians is interested in keeping him in Tampa Bay. I’m not necessarily saying that’s a great idea, especially after speaking with a former Bucs assistant at the Senior Bowl that agreed with what the Tampa Bay Times reported in December about Jackson’s behavior behind the scenes.

Bucs WR DeSean Jackson - Photo by: Getty Images
Bucs WR DeSean Jackson – Photo by: Getty Images

One of the bones of contention I have with Jackson is about his lack of willingness to play defensive back and break up an errant pass that’s coming his way. There were more than a few instances last year where passes were picked off right in front of Jackson and it looked like he wasn’t interested in trying to break up the interception, and that bothers me. So I asked Fulton about it from his perspective.

“I mean, I think that’s all just perspective,” Fulton said. “I think when you look at what’s going on in games and the kind of positions a guy’s in, a guy can always argue both ways. I don’t think that DeSean’s competitiveness or will to win or desire to win is ever going to be in question. If people do question that I just think it’s good to start conversation. It’s just a good conversation starter.”

• There is one more former Cardinals player that played under new Bucs head coach Bruce Arians that might get some consideration in free agency. Arizona defensive end Markus Golden was a second-round pick in 2015 and posted 123 tackles, 19 sacks, six forced fumbles, three pass breakups, one fumble recovery in the desert, including 51 tackles, 12.5 sacks, four forced fumbles and a fumble recovery in 2016 before tearing his ACL in 2017.

The 6-foot-3, 260-pound Golden had a modest 30 tackles and 2.5 sacks last year in his first season back from his knee injury. It’s not uncommon for players returning from an ACL tear to take two years to get back to their original form, and maybe 2019 will be a more productive season for Golden wherever he lands in free agency if he leaves Arizona.

Bucs DEs Carl Nassib and Jason Pierre-Paul - Photo by: Mary Holt/PR
Bucs DEs Carl Nassib and Jason Pierre-Paul – Photo by: Mary Holt/PR

But don’t expect the Bucs to be hot on his trail in March. Tampa Bay already has two productive edge rushers in Jason Pierre-Paul and Carl Nassib, who combined for 19 sacks last year. Nassib will be entering a contract year and the Bucs would rather reward him for a great first season in Tampa Bay than bring on a newcomer who is still recovering from an ACL tear. And keep in mind that Golden didn’t arrive in Arizona until 2015 and never played for defensive coordinator Todd Bowles, who became the Jets head coach that season.

One landing spot for Golden if he doesn’t stay with Arizona could be Oakland, which is need of edge rushers. The Raiders just picked up Golden’s former defensive line coach with the Cardinals, Brentson Buckner, to coach Oakland’s defensive line.

• LISTEN UP! The Pewter Reporters wrapped up our Senior Bowl coverage in Mobile, Ala. with two new Pewter Nation Podcasts. Mark Cook, Matt Matera and yours truly kicked things off with Pewter Nation Podcast Episode 104: Senior Bowl Preview From Bama, and Taylor Jenkins joined the crew to talk Bucs football and the Senior Bowl for Pewter Nation Podcast Episode 105: Senior Superlatives.

If you haven’t listened to the three previous Pewter Nation Podcasts – which are the three  most listened to podcasts we’ve done to date – they are worth listening to, so spend some time catching up on them this weekend.

Click here to listen to Pewter Nation Podcast Episode 101: Ch-Ch-Ch-Changes.

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• The Senior Bowl Offensive and Defensive Practice Players of the Week were named this week and there were some surprising names on the list. Auburn quarterback Jarrett Stidham was named the QB of the week, but most scouts and media in attendance believe that Missouri’s Drew Lock, who is slated to be a first-rounder, is the better prospect and had a better week of practice.

Boston College G Chris Lindstrom (75) - Photo by: PewterReport.com
Boston College G Chris Lindstrom (75) – Photo by: PewterReport.com

Notre Dame’s Dexter Williams had a good week and there wasn’t one true, dominant runner, so that makes sense. South Carolina wide receiver Deebo Samuels had a great week, but was it better than Ohio State’s Terry McLaurin? Probably not. But North Carolina State guard Garrett Bradbury was named the top offensive lineman with USC left tackle Chuma Edoga was named the top overall practice player, and those were very curious selections.

Boston College guard Chris Lindstrom was widely regarded as the best guard in Mobile, Ala., and the performances by Mississippi State center Elgton Jenkins and Texas A&M center Erik McCoy were better than those of Bradbury, who was often pushed around in 1-on-1 drills. Lindstrom will be drafted higher than either Edoga or Bradbury.

Alabama’s Isaiah Buggs didn’t stand out to me (or anyone else on Draft Twitter) at all during the Senior Bowl practices, yet he was the guy chosen over Mississippi State defensive end Montez Sweat, who dominated all week, or Texas’ Charles Omenihu or TCU’s L.J. Collier? Notre Dame’s Drue Tranquill was named the linebacker of the week, while Maryland’s Darnell Savage was the defensive back of the week.

I think the reason why a lot of these unheralded players get these awards is because the Senior Bowl wants to boost their awareness and draft stock. The same thing happened when North Carolina’s M.J. Stewart was the defensive back of the week at last year’s Senior Bowl. He apparently boosted his resumé with that honor, but to be honest, I didn’t notice him a single time in practices last year.

Bucs CB MJ Stewart - Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR
Bucs CB MJ Stewart – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR

Stewart didn’t stand out to me at all. Yet he wound up being drafted by the Bucs in the second round – ahead of Carlton Davis – and his Senior Bowl practice player of the week award was something the Bucs touted to the media after he was selected. The only time Stewart stood out to me last year during his rookie season was when he was constantly getting torched by opposing receivers as he was miscast by the coaches as a nickel cornerback – a position he clearly doesn’t have the speed, quickness or athleticism to play.

I had two NFL scouts tell me at this year’s Senior Bowl that the Bucs over-drafted Stewart, and that he had a fourth-round grade – not a second-round grade. So take the Senior Bowl practice awards with a grain of salt.

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• Outside of Missouri’s Drew Lock, there weren’t a lot of really good quarterbacks in Mobile, Ala. this year. West Virginia’s Will Grier and Duke’s Daniel Jones were the most high profile QBs outside of Lock. Jones has the chance to be a first-rounder due to his physical traits and intelligence, while Grier has the chance to go in the first round because there are always teams desperate for quarterbacks and the Senior Bowl can help artificially inflate some QBs’ stock, evidenced by former Senior Bowl MVPs Christian Ponder and E.J. Manuel being drafted in the first round, but bombing in the league as a starter.

The Bucs will be looking for a quarterback to back up Jameis Winston, as neither Ryan Fitzpatrick nor Ryan Griffin may return to Tampa Bay in 2019. New Bucs head coach Bruce Arians might want to draft one, and general manager Jason Licht hasn’t selected a QB since choosing Winston with the first overall pick in 2015.

Buffalo QB Tyree Jackson
Buffalo QB Tyree Jackson – Photo by: Getty Images

One of the players that shows some interesting physical skills as a developmental prospect is Buffalo’s Tyree Jackson, who had a decent, but not great week in Mobile. He was a junior that was eligible to play in the Senior Bowl, and he told PewterReport.com that he met with the Bucs.

“Yeah I have,” Jackson said. “It’s a great opportunity. It’d be awesome to [be drafted by Arians], you know the fact that he he coached Andrew Luck and Ben Roethlisberger and Carson Palmer and all those great quarterbacks. It’d be awesome to learn from a guy like that and continue to grow my game.”

Believe it or not, some NFL teams are happy when players don’t perform that well at the Senior Bowl and elevate their stock a round or two in the process. Jackson showed enough in Mobile to be considered a legit Day 3 draft pick, and that may benefit the Bucs if they like him enough because I don’t think Tampa Bay would consider drafting a quarterback in the first three rounds with more pressing needs elsewhere.

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Scott Reynolds is in his 24th year of covering the Tampa Bay Buccaneers as the vice president, publisher and senior Bucs beat writer for PewterReport.com. Author of the popular SR's Fab 5 column on Fridays, Reynolds oversees web development and forges marketing partnerships for PewterReport.com in addition to his editorial duties. A graduate of Kansas State University in 1995, Reynolds spent six years giving back to the community as the defensive line coach for his son's Pop Warner team, the South Pasco Predators. Reynolds can be reached at: [email protected]

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  1. The Pewter trolls do not like Jackson cause he pointed out that Winston can not throw consitant accurate pass deep They can’t stand he was Fitz fan. PEWTER TROLLS WANT HIM GONE FOR NOT BUYING INTO BS THAT JAMEIS IS MORE THAN A BOTTOM 10 QB

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    • Great point, except Arians is excited to work with Jameis. So Jameis is staying. Does that make Bruce Arians a Pewter Troll?

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    • I only see one pewter troll buc ass and that’s you. But hey you were the genius who thought nick foles would be in the bucs roster. Wrong again.

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    • Lol. It’s always good to see you bob, uninformed as usual. The only troll most of us see is you pouting like a little child about a quarterback. It’s literaly the only Thing you seem to have an opinion on. You call people like us trolls yet people like me provide facts to the convo. All you ever do is regurgitate the same nonsense. Weird how Jamie’s had no other problems throwing deep to Godwin, Evans, and Oj. Keep pouring, one day someone will give you the thumbs up on a post

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      • Watch it with the big words, boho. I’m sure FUC-ASS-BOB has his dictionary out when he sits to read the comments, but regurgitate may be a little big for him

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    • I can see that you have more NFL coaching experience than Bruce Arians, who loves Jameis Winston…oh wait

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    • Dang it bobby

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    • There doesn’t seem to be a problem with the other receivers. Perhaps the issue with not connecting lies at the feet of both players.

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  2. We should just be happy that our new staff seems interested in forming their own opinions on talented players. Not taking the word from previous failed regimes or the slanted reporting from media outlets. Bruce will be judged on his ability to win games and if he thinks he can work with Desean, who is under contract, then let him. Everybody knew Desean was poorly utilized here, it seemed like if the deep wasn’t connecting then this staff was fresh out of ways to use him. Missing the deep shots wouldn’t be that big of a thing if he was getting targets and catches elsewhere on the field which he is more than capable of doing. I’m will never say a player is done because he’s rebelling against the god awful losing mentality that sifts through our organization. He could be quiet like GMC but then people would question his passion and want to, give me a break. If he’s willing to give it a shot and Bruce is the guy Pewter Report has stood on tables saying he is then he will figure out a way to make it work. Good teams don’t improve but losing talented players who are simply not content losing and playing no role in the offense. Make it work, that’s why coaches get paid all the big money.

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    • Great take on the Djax issue. You should post more often.

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    • It’s not just the missed opportunities on long balls. It’s the lack of effort on multiple occasions. Out routes, crossing patterns, miscommunications. A fact: He was the 4th best receiver on the team last year. Blame it on the rain if you want to, but that guy is a luxury the Bucs can’t afford. According to Sportrac.com, Jackson is the 5th highest paid Buccaneer out of 53. 11th highest paid WR in the NFL. Bucs should keep him if he restructures to 3mil per year.

      McCoy’s chances of staying are even worse than D.Jax. He is the 2nd highest paid Buc and 6th hghest paid at his postion in the NFL. His statistical comps played hundreds less snaps last year and produced similar results(tackles, sacks, ff, tfl). Sportrac compars GMC’s results to I. Rochell(LAC). Rochell will earn 550k. He had 1 less sack, 2 more tackles, and one int…with 203 less snaps.

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  3. Chemistry matters most. Jackson and Winston have played together 2 years and their chemistry isn’t there. Round hole, square peg. Keep Hump, elevate Bobo and Watson.

    Evans, Godwin, Hump, Wilson, and Watson looks good to me and they are already good with Winston at QB.

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    • Quick question:
      He may not be a speed guy, or a BA guy, or a former Steeler/Colt/Cardinal, but he will be a free agent next year and may come cheap. Yep, Im talking about Winston’s favorite WR at FSU – Kelvin Benjamin. Do the Bucs bring him in if they lose Hump and Jackson?

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      • As a nole fan, heck no on Benjamin. He cant keep his weight in check and he really doesnt bring anything to the table that we dont already have.

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        • Good points. I just knew he got bounced from Carolina to Buffalo to KC. He didn’t really contribute in his limited time in KC. I was thinking about how large the WR/TE corps would be with him in the lineup, but you make really good points about his weight and his redundancy.

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  4. Deion Sanders said receivers are all like this because they have to depend on another man for their success and its true. They are all Divas. In this case there has been no chemistry between Winston and Jackson. It depends on how bad he’s trashed Winston and if its beyond the point of no return. We don’t know the details. It was the wrong move to bring him here but since he is under contract for another year and we have a new coach they have to explore it. Let’s just hope if he stays its well thought out and it better work out or this will be a black eye for Arians. We cant afford any more personnel mistakes here if we are to see a quick turnaround like Arians says.

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    • I agree that they are to an extent, but I have yet to see Evans, Godwin, or hump have any complaints about this teams quarterback no matter who it was behind center. If your a team player than you don’t hear much, but when you have people like Terell Owens, mesean, Steve Smith, Antonio brown, they care about winning but their stats are just as important to them.

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  5. Very good Fab Five Scott. It’s been awhile since lack of salary cap space has been an issue. I don’t believe it’s unrealistic to ask Dotson, Jackson, McCoy to take a 25% paycut; if there was pushback then I would move on from them. Just my opinion.

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    • Good point Horse. However, the last time we had salary cap issues was when we were coming off a Superbowl win.

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  6. If they are not willing to take less money, Bucs will have to move on. No way they are paying McCoy 13 million next year and Jackson 10 million. They are both very good players. I doubt we can get anything now for either of them.

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  7. Maybe in your next Fab 5 Scott you can go over the Jet FA’s on defense Bowles might be more interested in. I think there are several LB’s, and a couple of corners that we might target. Another LB that might fit better in a 3-4 then Kwon who’s coming off an ACL would be C.J. Moseley.

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  8. If the season starts and Bruce Arians hasn’t gotten himself a better quarterback I will not feel so sorry for him if he wants to throw away his last chance on a quarterback rated 90% good luck to him . Why is it when I’m on the street and I asked people about Winston I can’t find anybody that likes him must be the Clearwater Hood maybe that’s different than the hood CG master and Chef boho live in.

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    • They’ll probably draft a developmental QB in the mid rounds or later rounds.

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    • Maybe it’s because your crowd doesn’t want to be waterboarded by one of your nonsense tirades arguing a point of view that differs from yours. Winston isn’t going anywhere. You should just accept it.

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    • Haha nope nick foles isnt coming clown. Neither is bell. Just accept that you are constantly as wrong. But in a sense I do enjoy the good laugh from your incoherent posts about things you clealry dont know anything about.

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  9. Again, if Jackson doesn’t want to be here… then scadattle out of here! Every WR knows that complaining about getting the ball/and ur QB is the quickest way to ensure u will continue not getting the ball! Jaskson showed his stripes last year… I think his salary back on the cap is more important than his selfish attitude! The Bucs and their Administration has decided to go with Jameis this coming year! That’s that! If u don’t like Jameis… I for one can understand that view point…but as a Buc fan… enough already! BA is here with his 18 assistant coaches and there will be no excuses this year! Cut the dead wood, free up some cap space and find those players who might want to come to the beautiful and sunny Tampa Bay! Go Bucs!

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    • Lol. Scadattle is a funny word.

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  10. Honestly, I’d rather just keep Humphries and maybe find a younger/cheaper deepthreat.

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  11. Bob your such an idiot it’s just laughable. So the idiots on the street know more than Arians about Winston and his potential? Ah makes lots of sense. Lol 😂. This coming from the moron who told us all year JPP and Vea both sucked.

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  12. Wasn’t it you fredster was talking about Winston the MVP in the Super Bowl couple years back for three years I’ve been told how stupid I am for saying Winston’s going to finish last in the division. Bruce Arians is going to say nothing but good for everybody that’s on the roster until they’re not on the roster if he wants to go in the next year with Winston then he can sit at the bottom of the division again just like The two coaches before him you know why fredster because Winston is a loser again he loses that’s what he does is lose year after year

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    • Just give Winston a chance to prove himself with Arians, if Arians can not get Winston playing at a high level, then you are right Bob. Til then, you should support him and hope for the best..it’s another new year with a proven coach and I am hoping he brings out the best in Winston.

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    • Ahhh yes, bob and his “quarterbacks are the only ones responsible for losses” combo. Do you realize how stupid that comment really is? Why is it that I’ve mentioned several time how many losses the coaches, the defense, and the kicking has cost this team wins yet you seem to think that all rests on the quarterback. No, Winston isn’t perfect, far from it. In fact there’s definitely games he himself has lost due to his play. But to think he’s the reason for all of our losses just shows exactly how uninformed you are about football. It’s why no one takes you seriously or probably ever will. Now take your meds and relax already. Let Arians, who knows a lot more than us, handle Jamie’s and this team.

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    • Arians has forgotten more than you’ll ever know buc ass. Move on o tr pick a new team. I love that having jameis here drives you nuts. Its comical watching you regurgitate post after posts of rambles.

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  13. Restructure McCoy contract. Let Gholston and DJax go. Re-sign Kwon, Humphries, Donovan as RT, Glanton(depth). Sign Minter(depth), Honey Badger, Nelson, Hunt & Iupati. OL – Jonah/Iupati/Jensen/Marpet/D Smith

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    • I am hoping Mathieu does not resign with the Texans so we can bring him here!

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    • Bucs currently have 12m in cap space. If they cut DJax, that adds 10m and Gholston adds back 3.75m. Restructure McCoy to what? 10m? That would save 3m. New Cap Space 12m+10m+3.75m+3m=28.75m

      D.Smith will get 13-14m/year
      Hump played for 3m on a 1 year deal last year. He earned more than he was paid. 4-6m/yr likely.
      Thats 17-20m.

      8-11m left to sign Kwon, Glanton, Minter, Matthieu, Nelson, Hunt, and Iupati? Math doesnt want to add up.

      Bucs have a lot of work to do and I just don’t see how they keep D.Jax or McCoy at a fair price.

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      • The Bucs are not going to sign Kareem Hunt forget about it. And all this talk about BA wanting Djax is a smokescreen to boost trade value, the Bucs aren’t paying 10mil for a WR not named Mike Evans. As far as the Cap senerios you layout you left off Brate, at 8mil he’s a luxury the Bucs can’t afford and shouldn’t at the expense of loosing Mccoy. Then there’s Humphrey reports are he wants around 5mil, are you paying Hump at the expense of loosing Kwon, FA guard or LT or even safety. The point I’m making is Brate and Humphrey are likely Cap Casualties.

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        • I left Brate out for a good reason. He was just signed to a 6 year deal last year. He played through a fractured hip. He has more TDs over the last 3 years than all other TE’s except 3. His number is 7 million and he’s Winston’s favorite red zone receiver. Brate is part of the solution, not problem.

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          • I’ll just say it this way Brate may be a good guy but Brate does not play LT,LB,CB,Safety or DT for that matter. I believe he’ll be a cap casualty because the Bucs have all these other holes to fill.

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  14. Why are we even talking about D-Jax staying with this team. Move him, cut him, who cares.

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  15. Firmly in the “let D-Jax go” camp. His chemistry with Jameis just hasn’t been there, he’s holding back Godwin (who deserves to start and to have more targets), and we need the $10 million earmarked for him elsewhere. Nothing personal.

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  16. Hold on to D-J for buy-in on Arian offense & Winston, trade-bait or until the last day to drop a malcontent free of charge. D-A-B your position is loud and clear, please give it a rest.

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  17. Just cut MeSean and move on. He’s one of the most inefficient and overpaid receivers in the NFL. Winston isn’t great at the deep ball, but DeSean giving up on the ball when it isn’t perfectly thrown is inexcusable. Arians is just saying he wants to keep Jackson to try and sucker some other team into a trade.

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  18. There is no doubt that DJax is a good WR, but if he is not happy here in Tampa that may affect his play and others on the team. If he wants to be traded then trade him, we could certainly use the draft picks and a lower CAP number.

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  19. Please TRADE him. Some team will find value in him. Be creative but get something for him as I think he has a couple of years in him. VALUE!!

    Go Bucs !!!

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  20. DJax needs to go. We don’t need the attitude or pouting. Disrupts team chemistry. What is really bothersome is his receiver coach sounds like a fan boy more that a coach. Man the ball washing going on by him is crazy.

    They can make some cap room. Cut Djax (10 Mill), Cut Vin Curry (8 Mill), Restructure McCoy (6 Mill) he not worth 13 Mill at this point in his career, Smith O Line 2 Million, Conte 2 Million, Urien 3 Mill = 31 million + the 12 they have is 43 Mill.

    Figure 13 D Smith and 6 Hump still leaves 24 Mill. I don’t see Kwon getting what he reportedly wants at 12 Mill a year. If he gets it god bless but not here. He is a good player not a 12 mill player. i would spend 8 at the most on him.

    the numbers estimates but they can make room.

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  21. I agree BucWild! Historically, when a new coach takes over… change is inevitable. In our case this change may be good. Dump salary and any malcontents. BA will want his boyz that he feels will give him the best chance to succeed. We only have like 10-12 core players… the rest are interchangeable with other Free Agents. Dump the expensive, old, and underperforming players. In our case change is good! Rebuild the roster and the attitudes! I’m just saying…Go Bucs!

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  22. Hey last fan standing… I like ur choices to be cut go! Don’t forget Gholdston the D-Lineman… that dude was signed to a new big contract that he had no business being offered… I never hear his name called…ever! We need some Dogs that can hunt!

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  23. Im not even worried bout our offense…why are we so concerned about djax when we clearly have like 6 wr’s/TE’s who can get the job done..yea we need a rb and a lil tweak in the o-line but that will get fixed…the defense should be all the focus and talk this offseason…if defense improve we’ll be playoff bound no doubt in my mind. The defense doesn’t even need to be great just top 15 and its game over…am i wrong??

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    • Nope, not wrong. I would say spot on

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  24. There is no need to cut any of the players under contract until the end of Training Camp when the 53 man roster is to be set. Cutting a player allows a Division rival to scoop them up. Trading them gives Licht a bit more control of the destination. I know, we all want to trade players, or a package of players, we believe to be expendable and costly before the April Draft to acquire more picks, but that just rarely happens. What does happen is players get injured during Training Camp and teams can get desperate to replace them. Nothing wrong with the compensation being paid in 2020.

    Let’s allow this new coaching staff evaluate the roster, the locker room persona and one on one conversations to make their own opinions and not rely on often biased hearsay. No need to be hasty for spite only to regret it later. We don’t need our players enriching our opponents if they can be salvaged.

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    • I Agree Scu, I would not try to evaluate any of our roster through the eyes of Arians and his coaching staff. At this point it will be fun to sit back and watch an entire new staff and scheme develop, and not being to shocked to see a Buc’s team totally reincarnated in 2019.

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  25. I don’t understand the frequent use of the word chemistry. We’ve all been watching the truly elite QBs in the playoffs. Can Winston throw the deep ball accurately with any consistency, yes or no?

    I think anyone who puts emotions and what they want to be true vs what is aside would say, at least so far in his NFL career, the answer is no.

    So the next question becomes given that, does it make good business sense to pay $10 million a year to a WR whose biggest value add is as a deep ball threat?

    Once again being objective, the answer is no. We have way too many holes in the roster to allocate that much capital to a resource we can’t appropriately utilize. We are not the right home for that asset.

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    • Well said. I would substitute “chemistry” for timing. Winston works on his timing with every other WR on the team. Seem he has “chemistry” with everyone else. D Jax never made to off season workouts or OTA’s his first season while Evans, Brate and Humphries all got lost of time with #3 before training camp ever started. Not much different last season and then Winston road the pines for a while. For guys that put in the work, “chemistry” happens. When guys don’t, they don’t connect on game day. Time to let D Jax go and find someone that will play on his terms.

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    • Well said. I would substitute “chemistry” for timing. Winston works on his timing with every other WR on the team. Seem he has “chemistry” with everyone else. D Jax never made to off season workouts or OTA’s his first season while Evans, Brate and Humphries all got lots of time with #3 before training camp ever started. Not much different last season and then Winston road the pines for a while. For guys that put in the work, “chemistry” happens. When guys don’t, they don’t connect on game day. Time to let D Jax go and find someone that will play on his terms.

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  26. I would like to see us draft D line and RB early and bring in a vet or 2 in the secondary. I think we should try to trade up with our 1st pick packaged with Djax and or GMC for the Niners 2 overall pick so we can take Quinnen Williams DT from Bama and then take Zack Allen DE from Boston with our 2nd pick. I also like Devin Singletary RB in the 3rd. Then concentrate the remaining picks on O line. We can try to couple up our later picks with Vinny Curry and or Will Golsten to move back into the 3rd or second round to get a better OG or OT. If we can dump Curry, Golsten, GMC, Djax, we would have the salary cap room to go after a vet in the secondary like S Earl Thomas , go after Clowney, tag OT Smith, sign Kwon Alexander, sign Humphries . With everything I mentioned (yes I might be dreaming) we would have a D line rotation of Vita Vea NT, Zack Allen DE/DT, Quinnen Williams DT/DE, Clowny DE/OLB, Bow Allen NT, JPP DE/OLB, Carl Nassib DE/OLB and a young secondary led by one of the best safety’s to ever play the game in Earl Thomas.

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  27. trade Djax or Winston

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  28. No Bob I never said anything about Winston in a Super Bowl or an MVP. Your on crack. Go back and find my quote saying anything remotely like that. Winston has high potential, Arians sees it and is smarter than you or any of us on this board. He isn’t going anywhere so pick another team to be a “fan” of or go cry elsewhere how he and practically everyone on this team sucks.

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  29. I would really like to see something different in our running game. For many years the the emphasis has been put on passing, pass rush, pass defense, pass blocking and while I fully realize that the game is predominantly pass oriented there is nothing more exciting than a back that can consistently rip off 8-9 yards per carry and is a constant threat to take it to the house even time he touches the ball. I guess I am Old School enough to miss Barry Sanders, Walter Peyton, a young Adrian Peterson and yes, OJ and Jim Brown. and Larry Csonka.

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  30. Dman (funny how autocorrects to damn: – ) you make a good point about reps and timing. I don’t recall Winston being very accurate with long ball no matter who has been throwing to over the years, but he did have some success later in the season so perhaps what you said is partly the reason.

    Matt I respectfully disagree with the idea of waiting until the 4th round to invest in OL. We need high caliber 10-yr starters there not semi-projects, we’ve tried the latter approach and it has gotten us nowhere.

    Also hard to stomach spending a 3rd round pick on RB after Licht whiffed on Sims and may have on RoJo. RoJo needs to come around or could be one of last nails in Licht’s career coffin in BA’s era of accountability. You know when the practices start there will be multiple times he looks at Licht and thinks WTF?

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  31. We should try to keep DJax for one reason, Winston. If Winston can’t put the ball on consistently and accurately when asked he’s likely to struggle with any speedster we might pickup down the road. For the 5th year now Winston will be under evaluation. After which we cut or swallow the $80-100M long term deal. We need to know if Winston can improve that deep ball accurately with explosive players.

    Eating his $10 million for one more year is worth more to the team right now than because of that extended eval. With him wanting out it’s going to be hard to get anything for him anyway. So if BA can get him stay that really is best option for the team.

    I’m clearly not pro Winston, but if that’s what we are doing then we need to know if Winston can correct this or not. If he can’t we know pursuing that type of talent wont likely workout with him.

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  32. I knew at the beginning of the year that D Jax & Winston probably wouldn’t have better chemistry because Fitz was getting all the starter reps because Winston was suspended. Then Winston was out 3 games (suspension) and wasn’t even allowed to be at the facility. And Fitz stayed in as the starter next 3 games so there wasn’t enough time for Winston & D Jax to grow on there chemistry.
    I don’t even read Buc Ass Bobs post anymore. I just look to to see how many down thumbs there are and know that i will feel the same way so I just click ” Thumb Down” LOL GO BUCS!!!

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  33. Also then D Jax missed a lot of games (with injury) when winston finally styed in as QB so how were they ever suppose to build chemistry in 2018. weren’t gonna happen. GO BUCS!!!

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  34. One thing is for deehyam skippy..Arians is not going to tolerate dissencion or squabbles on his team. If Jackson starts his cryin and antics, he will be gone or on the bench. I get a feeling Jackson is gone. For maybe a 3rd rounder. Arians does not tolerate foolishness. Jackson can pout elsewheres.

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