FAB 3. Licht’s Draft Record Stacks Up

In doing research for this column, which is primarily on Bucs general manager Jason Licht, I was curious as to how his draft record stacks up against some of the other notable general managers in the league. A quick look at Licht’s draft record in Tampa Bay suggests that the 2015 and 2017 drafts were very impactful with several starters found in each draft, while the 2016 draft class severely lacks impact players and may be a bust year.

It’s simply too early to tell about the 2018 draft class, although it may be shaping up somewhere between the 2017 class and the 2016 class. Bucs wide receiver Mike Evans, who was Licht’s first ever draft pick as the team’s general manager in 2014, remains the only player left from that class, but he’s one of the elite receivers in the league and is having another Pro Bowl-caliber season.

Bucs head coach Dirk Koetter, TE O.J. Howard, G.M. Jason Licht – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR
Bucs head coach Dirk Koetter, TE O.J. Howard, G.M. Jason Licht – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR

I decided to compare Licht’s draft record against Howie Roseman, who is the general manager of the Super Bowl champion Philadelphia Eagles, and Les Snead, who is the general manager of the Los Angeles Rams, who many believe to be the front-runner to make – and perhaps win – this year’s Super Bowl.

Let’s take a look at Roseman’s drafts with the Eagles, which begin in 2010. I’ve left out Philadelphia’s 2015 draft because that was the year that head coach Chip Kelly demoted Roseman and took over the draft himself before Kelly was fired and Roseman was reinstalled as Philadelphia’s general manager.

The players listed are the G.M.’s notable draft picks from each draft and I’m not including the 2018 draft classes for any of the general managers for two reasons. First, most general managers keep most or all of their current draft picks to see if they can develop over the course of a year. And secondly, sometimes players don’t produce right away or have a limited impact as a rookie while learning a new system and transitioning to the NFL.

Philadelphia GM Howie Roseman’s Drafts
2010: 13 picks – DE Brandon Graham (1), DB Nate Allen (2), DE Daniel Te’o-Nesheim (3), DB Trevard Lindley (4), LB Keenan Clayton (4), QB Mike Kafka (4), TE Clay Harbor (4), DE Ricky Sapp (5), WR Riley Cooper (5), RB Charles Scott (6), LB Jamar Chaney (7), DT Jeff Owens (7), S Kurt Coleman (7).
Notes: Only Graham is with the Eagles today and he’s still a stud. Allen was a six-year starter and had 13 career INTs. Cooper played in 88 games in Philadelphia, but is now out of the league. Coleman is on his fourth team and had more success in Carolina than he did in Philly. Out of 13 players, Roseman had four hits in this draft.

2011: 11 picks – G Danny Watkins (1), DB Jaiquawn Jarrett (2), DB Curtis Marsh (3), LB Casey Matthews (4), K Alex Henery (4), RB Dion Lewis (5), G Julian Vandervele (5), C Jason Kelce (6), LB Brian Rolle (6), LB Greg Lloyd, Jr. (7), RB Stanley Havili (7)
Notes: Despite having 11 picks, Roseman struck out early in this draft. While he drafted Lewis in the fifth round, he traded him two years later due to a lack of productivity. Kelce, a sixth-round pick, is the only current Eagles player remaining from this draft class and really the only good pick.

2012: 9 picks – DT Fletcher Cox (1), LB Mychal Kendricks (2), DE Vinny Curry (2), QB Nick Foles (3), CB Brandon Boykin (4), OT Dennis Kelly (5), WR Marvin McNutt (6), G Brandon Washington (6), RB Bryce Brown (7)
Notes: This was a very productive Eagles draft with Roseman hitting on his first four picks with those four players helping the Eagles win a Super Bowl. Of those four, only Cox and Foles remain in Philadelphia in 2018.

2013: 8 picks – RT Lane Johnson (1), TE Zach Ertz (2), DT Bennie Logan (3), QB Matt Barkley (4), DB Earl Wolff (5), DE Joe Kruger (7), DB Jordan Poyer (7), DE David King (7)
Notes: Johnson and Ertz are the only players remaining from Philly’s 2013 draft class. Johnson has been to one Pro Bowl and Ertz is one of the best tight ends in the league. Logan was a four-year starter at nose tackle, but is now on his third NFL team.

2014: 7 picks – DE Marcus Smith (1), WR Jordan Matthews (2), WR Josh Huff (3), DB Jaylen Watkins (4), DE Taylor Hart (5), DB Ed Reynolds (5), DT Beau Allen (7)
Notes: This was Roseman’s wipeout draft as Smith was a bust. Matthews is a backup receiver in Philly, and the only remaining Eagles player left from this draft. Allen was a backup nose tackle during his time in Philly.

2016: 8 picks – QB Carson Wentz (1), G Isaac Seumalo (3), RB Wendell Smallwood (5), T Halapoulivatti Vaitai (5), CB Blake Countess (6), DB Jalen Mills (7), DE Alex McCalister (7), LB Joe Walker (7)
Notes: Roseman found a franchise QB in Wentz and a starting guard in Seumalo along with several other role players that are currently on the team.

2017: 8 picks – DE Derek Barnett (1), CB Sidney Jones (2), CB Rasul Douglas (3), WR Mack Hollins (4), RB Donnel Pumphrey (4), WR Shelton Gibson (5), S Nate Gerry (5), DT Elijah Qualls (6)
Notes: Seven of the team’s eight picks remain on the roster with Barnett and Douglas as starters. Barnett has Pro Bowl potential. Jones and Gibson are contributors and Hollins is on injured reserve.

In seven drafts (not including 2018), Roseman has had 64 draft picks and has 11 current starters to show for it, including Graham, Seumalo, Mills, Barnett and Douglas, in addition to five Pro Bowlers in Kelce, Cox, Johnson, Ertz and Wentz. A total of 20 of Roseman’s 64 picks remain on the team.

LA Rams GM Les Snead’s Drafts
2012: 10 picks – DT Michael Brockers (1), WR Brian Quick (2), CB Janoris Jenkins (2), RB Isaiah Pead (2), CB Trumaine Johnson (3), WR Chris Givens (4), K Greg Zuerlein (6), LB Aaron Brown (7), RB Daryl Richardson (7)
Notes: Of this draft class, only Brockers remains with the Rams. Jenkins was a four-year starter, but left for the New York Giants in free agency. Johnson spent seven years with the Rams but is now with the New York Jets.

2013: 7 picks – WR Tavon Austin (1), LB Alec Ogletree (1), S TJ McDonald (3), WR Stedman Bailey (3), G Barrett Jones (4), DB Brandon McGee (5), RB Zac Stacy (5)
Notes: Olgetree and McDonald were the best picks as Austin turned out to be a gimmick player at the NFL level due to his lack of size. None of Snead’s picks are currently with the Rams.

2014: 11 picks – OT Greg Robinson (1), DT Aaron Donald (1), DB Lamarcus Joyner (2), RB Tre Mason (3), DB Maurice Alexander (4), DB E.J. Gaines (6), QB Garrett Gilbert (6), OL Mitchell Van Dyk (7), DB C.B. Bryant (7), DE Michael Sam (7), OL Demetrius Rhaney (7)
Notes: Robinson, the second overall pick, has been a bust and was traded. Snead made up for it with the selection of Donald, who is the best defensive lineman in football. Of Snead’s 11 draft picks in 2014, only two players – Donald and Joyner – remain with the Rams.

2015: 9 Picks – RB Todd Gurley (1), RT Rob Havenstein (2), OL Jamon Brown (3), QB Sean Mannion (3), OT Andrew Donnal (4), WR Bud Sasser (6), G Cody Wichmann (6), LB Bryce Hager (7), DE Martin Ifedi (7)
Notes: Gurley was a home run and is one of the best running backs in football, while Havenstein is a fixture at right tackle. Mannion is the backup quarterback and Hager is a special teams linebacker.

2016: 6 Picks – QB Jared Goff (1), TE Tyler Higbee (4), WR Pharoh Cooper (4), TE Temarrick Hemingway (6), LB Josh Forrest (6), WR Mike Thomas (6)
Notes: Goff looked like a bust until Sean McVay’s arrival last year. Now he’s one of the league’s best quarterbacks and will be a two-time Pro Bowler after this year. Higbee is a good tight end while Cooper and Thomas are on injured reserve.

2017: 8 Picks – TE Gerald Everett (2), WR Cooper Kupp (3), S John Johnson (3), WR Josh Reynolds (3), LB Samson Ebukam (4), DT Tanzel Smart (6), FB Sam Rogers (6), DE Ejuan Price (7)
Notes: Everett rotates with Higbee at tight end. Kupp has been a dynamic starting receiver and is now on injured reserve. Reynolds, a reserve, has stepped up in his absence. Johnson is a starting safety, while Ebukam was having a quiet year until starring against Kansas City on Monday Night Football two weeks ago.

In six drafts (not including 2018), Snead has had 51 draft picks and has 10 current starters to show for it, including Brockers, Joyner, Havenstein, Higbee, Kupp, Johnson and Ebukam, in addition to three Pro Bowlers in Goff, Gurley and Donald. A total of 17 players remain from Snead’s 51 picks.

Tampa Bay GM Jason Licht’s Draft Picks
2014: 6 Picks – WR Mike Evans (1), TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins (2), RB Charles Sims (3), G Kadeem Edwards (5), OL Kevin Pamphile (5), WR Robert Herron (6)
Notes: Evans is a Pro Bowler and one of the best receivers in the NFL. Seferian-Jenkins flamed out due to character issues and Sims was nothing more than a third-down back. Pamphile was a rotational offensive lineman that failed as a starting guard.

2015: 7 Picks – QB Jameis Winston (1), OT Donovan Smith (2), G Ali Marpet (2), LB Kwon Alexander (4), LB Kenny Bell (5), WR Kaelin Clay (WR), FB Joey Iosefa (7)
Notes: This is Licht’s finest draft class to date. Winston has been a record-setting QB in Tampa Bay and made one Pro Bowl. Smith is a solid left tackle, while Marpet is a Pro Bowl-caliber left guard. Alexander went to the Pro Bowl last season.

2016: 7 Picks – CB Vernon Hargreaves III (1), DE Noah Spence (2), Roberto Aguayo (2), CB Ryan Smith (4), OT Caleb Benenoch (5), LB Devante Bond (6), FB Dan Vitale (6)
Notes: This is regarded as Licht’s worst draft class, yet five of the players remain in Tampa Bay. Injuries have robbed the Bucs of gauging Hargreaves’ development. Spence has been riddled by shoulder injuries, but is now buried on the depth chart due to veterans ahead of him. Aguayo was a bust and Licht’s worst pick and a gamble that didn’t pay off. Smith and Bond are depth players, while Benenoch has struggled as a starting guard.

2017: 6 Picks – TE O.J. Howard (1), FS Justin Evans (2), WR Chris Godwin (3), LB Kendell Beckwith (3), RB Jeremy McNichols (5), DT Stevie Tu’ikolovatu (7)
Notes: This is a strong draft class from Licht with Howard having Pro Bowl potential, and Evans, Godwin and Beckwith as starting-caliber players.

In four drafts (not including 2018), Licht has had 26 draft picks and has 11 current starters to show for it, including Marpet, Hargreaves, Benenoch, Howard, Godwin, Beckwith, Justin Evans and Donovan Smith, in addition to three Pro Bowlers in Mike Evans, Winston and Alexander. A total of 14 players remain from Licht’s 26 picks.

A comparison of all three general managers in this exercise shows:

• Roseman with 20 players left from 64 picks, including 11 starters and 5 Pro Bowlers

• Snead with 17 players left from 51 picks, including 10 starters and 3 Pro Bowlers

• Licht with 14 players left from 26 picks, including 11 starters and 3 Pro Bowlers

The Glazer family and Bucs GM Jason Licht have high expectations for the 2016 season - Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR
Bucs co-chair Bryan Glazer & GM Jason Licht – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR

I had no idea how Licht’s draft success would fare against two of the better drafters in the business in Roseman and Snead, but Licht has actually done just as well with far fewer draft picks, which was quite enlightening. While Licht may have had his off year in 2016 when it comes to drafting, both Roseman (2014) and Snead (2013) have had some awful wipeout drafts, too. If not for finding Kelce in the sixth round, the 2011 draft would have been another wipeout draft for Roseman

No general manager is perfect when it comes to trades, free agency and the draft, but considering the talent the Bucs have acquired with Licht at the helm, his draft classes might shine even brighter as members of the 2015 and 2017 drafts gain more experience and get better as time goes on.

Licht is building a playoff-caliber roster in Tampa Bay, mainly through the draft, which is the way most Super Bowl teams are built. The evidence in this comparison exercise suggests that he should stick around and finish the job.

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Scott Reynolds is in his 25th year of covering the Tampa Bay Buccaneers as the vice president, publisher and senior Bucs beat writer for PewterReport.com. Author of the popular SR's Fab 5 column on Fridays, Reynolds oversees web development and forges marketing partnerships for PewterReport.com in addition to his editorial duties. A graduate of Kansas State University in 1995, Reynolds spent six years giving back to the community as the defensive line coach for his sons' Pop Warner team, the South Pasco Predators. Reynolds can be reached at: [email protected]
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Bucco63

Licht’s good far outweighs his bad. And it’s not like he’s a guy that sits back and waits, he’s been aggressive with free agents while using common sense and not breaking the bank or cap situation because he also knows it’s all a crap shoot sometimes when dealing with humans and money, nothing is guaranteed. I’m glad you did the comparison with other GMs on the draft, I have been looking for something like this for a while and it confirmed my suspicions. Yes, he had some high profile misses drafting a kicker and not drafting James, but what he… Read more »

MudManVA

Vea might end up being very good to great, so in hind sight a few years from now judgement might not be so harsh. I remember criticism for drafting Godwin over Hunt! How does that look now?!

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tog

The comparison with other GM’s was either (a) intentionally deceptive or (b) unintentionally stupid. Comparing other GM’s starters from 2010 to Licht’s is so bizarre I don’t know what to say other than WTF?! Of course there are going to be almost no starters left form those drafts – its 8 years ago! TJ Ward is a great example: a very good pick who’s not in the league anymore. Further, the work of the respective GMs includes both players they’ve traded for and signed in FA. I understand SR isn’t do a full comparison so skipped FA, but both Roseman… Read more »

e

Scott, This is one of the best Fab 5s that I’ve read. Excellent breakdown on both sides of the fence for Licht. I know there are a lot of fans that want to burn the house down and start over, but when you look at the overall trajectory of the team’s talent since the Superbowl, I believe that the team is has more talented from top to bottom. The offense is finally settling in, although I still believe that it needs to be more pass/run balanced to be successful in the long term. The defense has yet to to fleshed… Read more »

TheBaron70

If Licht stays, I’m thinking we need to draft heavy on the defensive side of the ball and for the love of all can we draft a right guard that can actually block? Benenoch can be cut tomorrow and will not be missed.

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MudManVA

RG and tackle! Dotson isn’t lasting much longer and if Smith wants a big LT contract that could be a huge problem. That’s the problem, so many holes to plug it takes years of drafting to have a solid & deep roster.

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Freeman Strickland

Draft and free agency should be focused on the OL at LT, RT and RG. If necessary, use the DJax money, but try to keep him.

If healthy, with the new coach and another year of experience, the defense could be adequate without lots of revision. With this offense with a better OL, an adequate defense is all that is needed.

Balance the wheel and true it; do not try to reinvent it again.

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GrayBalls

I’m confused. Use the DJax money or keep him? You can’t do both. I’m all for sitting Jackson the rest of the season and helping him pack his bags at the end of the year so we have that cap space to make an attempt at signing some road-graters on the offensive line. Curry, Allen and Unrein can go, too

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MudManVA

Nice article & objective look at Licht. I agree more with FAB #1. My other thoughts not in that article are: -What did this team & roster look like when Licht was hired? IT was BAD, and I mean real BAD. Name the players that have carried over pre-Licht that are starters (I can think of 3: L David, McCoy, and Dotson) Licht has had to build a team/roster from mostly scratch. -The BUCS roster is much better and younger than when he started. Yes there are holes to fix (RG, DE, CB, and S), but when you start with… Read more »

JC5100

Licht has drafted 1 quality offensive lineman and and ZERO quality defensive players in 5 years. Oh yea and he’s blown our cap situation. Get the hell out of here.

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Buc-n-Philly Fan

I can’t argue with your opinion of his drafting of defense but your credibility is just shot with your comment about the cap situation. That is factually incorrect.

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cgmaster27

Yeah with like 6 cuts, that would add about an additional 30+ million to the bucs cap situation. And it could be even more than that. The cap is the last problem of this team.

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Buc stops here

This is the best article I have ever read – and a very thorough analysis of Jason Licht. I have pretty much defended Licht on the boards for the reasons you give, but never compared him to other GMs which is great of you to do (and very time consuming). It just seems to strengthen the case to keep him another year. There is one “criticism” I have issue with. The following: “Because he was the first overall pick in 2015, Winston’s success – or lack thereof – will be tied to Licht.” This is a true statement, but I… Read more »

tpeluso

The argument for drafting Mariota over Winston was never that Mariota was going to blow Winston’s stats out of the water. It was that Mariota was going to keep his nose clean and maintain the credibility to be the leader and face of the franchise that this team needed, and that argument has proven to be 100% correct. So far, Winston’s statistical advantage has not been worth the negative light he’s attracted to the team by the trouble he’s gotten into off the field. If the Bucs keep him past this season and he sustains the progress he’s made and… Read more »

Buc-n-Philly Fan

You may disagree with this but part of the draw with Winston was AND still is, he has a much bigger upside than Mariota. Mariota has hit his ceiling. Winston can still be great.

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e

So, by this logic, Licht should go out and sign Tim Tebow then?

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FLBoyInDallas

Apparently you don’t know what the word “logic” means.

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MudManVA

Can’t agree with you more on the Mariotta – Winston comparison. Mariotta is far more fragile/brittle, but Winston has had is personality issues so they washout.

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Buc stops here

Great logic there – you are right on those two points as well!

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Mike Wright

You are spotung pure BS here. Washout? You kiddin me? Marotta’s team is winning. Ours? is not! As the Great Lombardi often said, Nothing maters but Winning. By any means necessary. That been the problem with this sorry A.. Bucs franchise. Always makin excuses. Coulda’s/Woulda’s and Shoulda’s. I say fire the lot of them/ Both Licht and Koetter. Lets get some real football now how in here! I’d keep Jameis only because he is Finally..beginning to see the light in his play. But for now..Mariotta is the better QB because his team is winning. Koetter must pay for hurting us… Read more »

cgmaster27

Mariotas team is winning because he has a better DEFENSE and running game. Take last nights game for instance. 30-9 and mariota was 18-24 with 164 yards and a int. You really think he won that game for them? Wins is the most ridiculous measurement for a qb as its the most team oriented sport you can play. Give Jameis that Tennessee Defense and we don’t lose. Like I said last week. Jameis is now 20-7 in his career when the defense gives up less than 24 point.

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Devasher

Weird, the majority of top QB’s play on winning football teams every year. Sure Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees have had a losing year here and there but the majority of each of their careers they have gone to the playoffs and won their division. Tom Brady has literally never had a losing season as a starter. Not one time in 18 years. I guess that’s just a coincidence. Peyton Manning had two losing seasons as a starter out of 17 and one of them was his rookie year when he threw 28 interceptions. Alex Smith gets traded from KC… Read more »

Naplesfan

And Winston’s team is losing despite having a far better offensive team around him.

What does that say?

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scubog

To me it says the placekicking has been horrific, the defense one of the worst in the league and the running game less than mediocre.

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Pete Wood

You’ve convinced me. I wasn’t exactly on the fence before, but seeing his draft results compared to other GMs shows that we should not let our GM go.

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BucWonder

I like Licht. I hope he stays. The grass is not always greener on the other side of the fence. Long time Buc fans have witnessed that.

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pinkstob

As this article pointed out, the Bucs are 27-49 and have not made the playoffs since he has been the Bucs GM. Nothing else matters. He should go. Nothing sickens me more than learning over the past few years that the majority (based on online fan polls) of Bucs fans and local media are prioritizing other things over the Bucs winning the Super Bowl. Winning is the “Big Joker” that should beat every other card in the deck. Winning is the “Big Joker” that should beat the Licht card, the Winston card, the Koetter card, the PR card, the ego… Read more »

scubog

And then what? Any guarantees? Folks always think change is going to bring better results. All too often it ends up more of the same or worse. Guess that’s why so many divorces and career moves don’t quite work out so well. I, like you, certainly have not been happy with the won-loss record and lack of play-off appearances since Jon Gruden ran off Richie McKay; but I’m wise enough to be careful when calling for the nuclear option many desire. I like that the 2018 team is showing some spunk. I’m willing to see how they finish out the… Read more »

pinkstob

And then what? A chance to win the Super Bowl, that’s what. We don’t need guarantees. If we have more of the same or worse then we’ve gone from losing to still losing. That’s the basis of me wanting to get rid of Licht, Winston, Koetter and have the Glazers hire a firm or a board to restructure this team with a VP of FO and rebuild this team from the ground up. It’s because we have nothing to lose but losing. If we were an annual playoff team like the Steelers but not winning the Super Bowl I could… Read more »

Naplesfan

Though hiring or retaining a GM is something that should be judged on only from a long term term perspective, sometimes a snapshot is also useful measure of where an organization really stands. What we know now from nearly five full seasons of Jason’ Licht’s tenure is best illustrated by the following snapshot: At the first home game in the last month of the 2018 season, the Bucs were forced to literally give away tickets to the game, and the result was a stadium that on TV looked no more than about half full, if that .. despite it being… Read more »

scubog

Totally agree about the fans Naples. It’s certainly a big factor that the Glazers have to consider as part of their evaluation. Not only are there a lot of empty seats. way too many are occupied by the opponent.

I also agree that four years long enough to see what the regime accomplishes. I’m just willing to wait until season’s end. Seems to me we’ve gone full circle and are still in the bottom of the league.

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Horse

Scubog, I wouldn’t call this a nuclear option; 4 years is enough to see what’s going on.

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sidetrack

very good points. the bucs win loss record with licht as gm is bad, that being said, I’m on the fence as of today. a couple more losses this season and I would agree.

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stlbucsfan

This article is a step in the right direction but still let’s Licht off the hook. The Bucs roster was not terrible when he inherited the team, we had a LT in Donald Penn that is still better than our current LT and probably would’ve allowed him to play G or RT had Licht done a proper evaluation of the roster. Darrelle Revis was the best CB in the division yet he traded him away and still has yet to have anything that resembles a lock down corner. I believe he also sent Barron packing who could’ve easily been transitioned… Read more »

stlbucsfan

If you want to do a better comparison try Mark Dominik the former Bucs GM. He too drafted 3 Pro Bowl players in his 5 year time in Lavonte, GMC and Doug and ended his 5 year span with a record of 28-52. Licht is currently 27-49, seems like they are on par with each and we see how that ended, no playoffs under either GM and Dom at least mustered a 10 win season with a team that had even less talent than this current roster. Dom is gone and Licht should follow. Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00… Read more »

DrT1066

Sneed’s best “draft pick” was Sean McVay.

Licht’s worst non-draft pick was Aaron Donald.

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athans5

SR, I completely disagree with Fab 3 for one reason. You are just looking at who is starting on the team right now. The problem with that approach is that you are missing the big picture. The rams drafted both Janoris Jenkins and Trumaine Johnson who are both high paid, top 15 starting corners in the league. Snead let go of them not because they are bad players, but because he upgraded to Aqib Talib and Marcus Peters. What you are not taking into account is if the guys drafted by the GM are good pros and go on to… Read more »

Devasher

Well said. Unfortunately for us, fans are looking for winning teams. Writers like Scott have other things to consider when writing their opinions. A fan can write whatever they see and not have worry about the repercussions, a fan isn’t going to get blocked from team facilities after writing a scathing piece about the ownership or general manager because they never had the access in the first place, but Scott could. A fan doesn’t build relationships with the players or front offices like Scott has. Scott has Jason on speed dial. Do you think Scott is looking at Jason from… Read more »

Buc-n-Philly Fan

I did enjoy the article but it still truly screamed of “I am taking it easy on Licht”. Even in the portion that showed his indiscetions, it was peppered throughout still highlighting the positives. A lot more additional negatives lie there uncovered by Scott. I am sure that is due to the chance of Licht staying and Scott not wanting to lose his inside track. Though I understand that line of thinking, I think it leaves one questioning the journalistic mentality of calling out the facts and leaving the reader to decide without underlying impressions of the writer. Just my… Read more »

SenileSenior

In my opinion Licht has done enough. The odds of us replacing him with a better GM are very long indeed. I say keep him. ______________ The fact that Jameis has taken on weekly and daily meditation practices as a new habit tells the story for me He has finally realized that he had to get his emotions and wild impulses under control. I expect no more off field incidents in the future. He is also now ready for fatherhood. He seems to have grasped some of the implications himself as shown in comments he made this week at his… Read more »

Buc76

You all are smoking crack. This is not a legal brief you are preparing arguing the pros and cons, this is sports entertainment and 40000 fans at a game is a total failure. Licht is awful. He has single handedly ruined multiple seasons with the kicking debacle among other things. A stopped clock is right twice a day. You could play pin the tail on the donkey and do the same as he’s done. He is always playing catch up with Free Agency and the Draft making the wrong moves wasting millions of dollars. If he stays the Glazers do… Read more »

Horse

Lets face it; this team hasn’t been good for 13 years. Oh we’ve had a couple 9-7 seasons, but mostly the excuses has been the “injuries got us, we were robbed by the ref’s, game scheme’s whether offense or defense, poor coaching and time management, and finally could of/ should of/would of; means jack! Pinkstob and Stlbucsfan said it right; we have lost too much and not won enough. If we keep the Coach and GM are we really going to get to the playoffs? My opinion is NO; they have had the time and have failed! Time to move… Read more »

Naplesfan

Bruce Allen actually had a far better record as GM than Licht, though his detractors were constantly screaming for his head. Even Dominik had a better record, though his detractors were constantly screaming for his head. The very best GM we had, the only one with a winning record, was Rich McKay. He not only got us a lot of wins, he got us a lot of Hall of Fame talent. Nobody was screaming for Rich McKay’s head.

We need another Rich McKay kind of GM.

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Devasher

“For those of you that are close-minded and want Licht gone no matter what, skip this section and go straight to Fab 2 where I lay out the case for his departure. ” Licht’s record currently stands at 27-49. So Scott naturally posits that if someone sees this lack of success during Licht’s tenure, a 5 year period of missed playoffs and one of the worst records in the NFL during that time and believes the GM has earned himself a pink slip that such a fan is “close-minded.” Apparently fans should be open to GM’s who lose 2 games… Read more »

BucWonder

Can’t we just disagree with an article without questioning the professional integrity of the writer? If I wanted that I’d visit a political website.

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Devasher

When you read an article of any kind do you check who wrote it? Does it matter where the source of the article is from? Anyone is welcome to firmly support people regardless of their success or failure, but it’s a question worth asking if a reporter consistently vouches for a GM with a track record of failure while simultaneously having a history of calling for the firing or replacement of coaches who do the same. Scott’s a smart guy he can defend himself if he feels the need to correct something I’ve written. I’m all ears. Rate this item:Thumb… Read more »

BucWonder

I was not replying to you specifically. I think it’s much better to debate issues than question someone’s motives. But I know I’m a bit naive to expect civility here.

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Devasher

Going to a cable news outlet that is known for its partisanship and expecting them to honestly “debate issues” is no different than going to a writer who has a track record of spinning a GM’s record and expecting him to be unbiased as well.

Scott has just as much a chance of leading a charge to fire Jason Licht for his incompetence as Fox News has of giving support to the Democratic nominee for president in 2020.

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Naplesfan

I gave Licht the benefit of the doubt for the first few years, saying that judging a GM takes at least four seasons, because the GM either produces long term success or long term failure and thus must be judged on his long term record, not a single game, or couple of games, or a single season or even two or three seasons. Licht has has had five seasons, and he has produced long term failure. Not good enough. Time to move on. Of course, people and fans are usually short term thinkers, and are crying to fire this guy… Read more »

surferdudes

Looks like most fans on this site agree with Scott in at least keeping Licht. I have to side with those who think it’s time for regime change. Scott touting Licht’s success in drafting Evans with his first ever pick is laughable. Thank god he didn’t miss with Evans, he was the 6th overall pick that year for Pete’s sake. Still you can find a talented receiver, so shouldn’t the pick have been A.Donald who has 16.5 sacks as a D.T. this season alone? Evans is a top five receiver, Donald to me is the best defensive player in the… Read more »

yohohoandabottleofrum

dont fire anyone, please dont draft a kicker in the second round and dont draft a defensive end from any other place than Alabama. I thought that this was a good article. build up the offensive line, the defensive secondary and linebackers and this team is in the playoffs. If you fire the coach, the whole coaching staff most likely leaves and that would be a major mistake. If you bring in a new GM, most likely that GM will make many mistakes and mess up the offensive chemistry. I am strongly in favor of keeping all and not making… Read more »

liquidmuse3

I still say Vita over James alone disqualifies Jason, esp since he had a losing record before that, but the most important thing this franchise has to do is cancel the training staff (the injuries!) and keep Todd Monken.

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EastEndBoy

Scott, you can’t excuse Licht like this “Defensive end Michael Johnson and quarterback Josh McCown were signed in 2014 at Lovie Smith’s request”, without also noting that Kwon Alexander (one of those 3 draft picks that seem to be his saving grace) was selected only because the very same Lovie Smith (who had personally scouted Kwon at LSU) demanded it amidst Licht’s attempt to do a 100% offense draft.

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Devasher

Funny how Scott tends to attribute successes to people he likes (Licht) and attribute the failures to those he doesn’t (Lovie).

You’d almost think Scott’s personal opinions about these people have clouded his judgment. But nah, no one who actively roots for the extension of a GM who has one of the worst records in the league over the past 5 years with no meaningful team success could ever be accused of bias, that would be silly. 🙄

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seat26

I think Licht sticks. His Draft History is above average, and although many of his free agent picks have been busts, he has had some success this year. Let’s focus on a Head Coach. I hate to lose Todd Monken, and I have no doubt he will be offered a Head Coaching position somewhere. I think Bucs would be wise to at least interview him for the position. I think we are starting to see success on Defense, and if it continues, we have to keep our present coordinator. I am not too sure about next year’s draft quality, and… Read more »

BucRy

Nice article Scott, I am in the middle when it comes to Jason cause he hasn’t done terribly nor has he done great..I think maybe another year to really see if the team he has built comes through but I do worry about his approach to free agency and the draft at times..I am ok for him being here, but if we do not continue winning like now I still think a coaching change should be made at least..Warhop for sure has to go.

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SelmonRules1000

First off Licht is gone no matter what. You can not survive two head coaching changes. Further, Winston being number one pick and constantly getting turnovers and having precision and accuracy issues four years into the game; off field issues continue; over 20 million dollars for year hanging in the balance will assist in finishing off the front office and coaching staff. I do not think Winston will really listen to anyone; Koetter or anyone else. He will be what he will be; an athletic QB with turnover and accuracy issues that will never break into the top ten QBs… Read more »

SenileSenior

If we can bring in a new GM who is a proven success and wants to take on the challenge of elevating this franchise to the highest level by all means replace Licht. My question is are there two or three people out there that fit that criteria? Is there even one guy? Otherwise Licht stays. A similar kind of thinking applies to whether we should replace Koetter. Who can we bring in to do the job? We can’t bring in someone we “think” will do. We can’t bring in someone unproven at the NFL level because we “want to… Read more »

Devasher

OK @xpfcwintergreen, so I ran the records of NFL GM’s and I’ll show you the ones that are below Jason Licht and how he compares to the bottom of the leagues GM’s by record: 32. John Lynch (2 seasons): 8-20 .285 Winning Percentage 31. David Caldwell (6 seasons): 29-64 .311 Winning Percentage 30. Reggie McKenzie (7 seasons): 38-70 .351 Winning Percentage 29. Jason Licht (5 seasons): 27-59 .355 Winning Percentage 28. Chris Ballard (2 seasons): 10-18 .357 Winning Percentage So as it currently stands it appears our own beautiful meathead scout Jason Licht has the 29th worst record of the… Read more »

GrayBalls

If Koetter goes, IF, I think elevating Buckner to HC might be the right move. Keep Monken and Duffner calling plays. Bring in George Whitfield to replace Bajakian. Bring in a paper grocery bag to replace Warhop. Or….. Keep Koetter but still replace Warhop with the bag

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scubog

My goodness there sure were a lot of wordy comments bringing up good points. We can all cite both positives and negatives of Jason Licht’s tenure. As Pink and others have said, the results have not been good. Mediocre at best. I wish there was a way I could shake my Magic 8 Ball to predict the fate of our favorite team if there is a regime change. My guess is that, unless the team on the field finishes strong and the fan base is energized a bit, the Glazers will have little choice than to sing, “Turn out the… Read more »

fredster

This is above my pay grade lol. Not going to make some long winded rant about if they should keep him or not. Been on fence with Licht for long time. Tough decision when coach and GM have both been mediocre. I’ve been Bucs fan long enough to know grass isn’t always greener. You could do worse than Licht for sure. I guess depends who is available too. Not sure how they finish the season really matters or factors when whole secondary is back ups. Koetter did me in with his stubbornness and keeping Smith so long. Single biggest issue… Read more »

SenileSenior

“If we can bring in a new GM who is a proven success and wants to take on the challenge of elevating this franchise to the highest level by all means replace Licht. My question is are there two or three people out there that fit that criteria? Is there even one guy? Otherwise Licht stays.” There is nothing in the first sentence that says anything about Licht out performing any other of the current GMs in the NFL. It is just a stated preface to the second sentence which is in the form of a question. Rephrased, I was… Read more »

Devasher

The idea that you would look at someone who is at the back end of the league in performance and worry that there may not be anyone better to replace them would be like giving Josh McCown a 5 year extension after his one year starting here because someone could conceivably be worse. It’s the antithesis of how we look at players or coaches and is only an argument made by writers who have reasons beyond winning to consider whether they defend the GM in question. Your intelligence or lack thereof is irrelevant. It’s the premise of your argument that… Read more »

GrayBalls

I might be crazy, it may just be a terrible memory….. But, SR listed Kenny Bell being drafted as a LB. Was he not a WR/KR? I know he was terrible, basically nothing but speed. But definitely not a LB, right?

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scubog

Kenny Bell was a WR who was recommended by Jason Licht’s father. He was terrible and soon out of the league.

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GrayBalls

That’s what I thought. More evidence PR needs a proofreader.

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