FAB 5. SR’s Buc Shots
• Former Bucs head coach Jon Gruden has admitted that he listened to several offers from both college and NFL teams over the years. The University of Tennessee has come after him hard in recent years, including a few weeks ago.
The Indianapolis Colts are the most recent team to make a strong push for Gruden to return to the sidelines, making overtures last offseason. The Raiders are rumored to have contacted Gruden about returning to Oakland before hiring Jack Del Rio.
What about the Buccaneers? Did the team reach out to Gruden a few years ago to replace Greg Schiano before hiring Lovie Smith? That’s a rumor that nobody can confirm on the record.
“I’ve always been in indirect contact, wishing them luck and all that, but I’ve never been on anybody’s radar really,” Gruden said about maintaining contact with Joel Glazer and the Glazer family when asked on August 2. “I’m just trying to hang on to the job I have [at ESPN].”
I happen to believe that might be true, and that the Glazers will reach out to Gruden again to come back to the Bucs – if they haven’t already.
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• In last week’s SR’s Fab 5, I strongly encouraged the Glazers to seek out a replacement for Dirk Koetter that had a strong penchant for quick in-game adjustments. The three coaches I detailed were New England offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels and defensive coordinator Matt Patricia, in addition to former Bucs head coach Jon Gruden.
When I spoke to former Tampa Bay quarterback Brad Johnson this week for his thoughts on Gruden, I asked him about Gruden’s ability to make in-game adjustments on the fly.
“I think he was great at it,” Johnson said. “You come out and script the first 15 plays or so to see how they line up, but he was great at it, especially at halftime. What was kind of cool about Jon was on game day. He grinded on you during the week with nine-hour days, and he grinded on you in meetings, but on game days he was easy to deal with. If he were putting in a new play he would work on it for a couple of weeks and not just pull it out of a hat. He was easy to communicate with as a quarterback when it came to adjustments and what had a potential to work.”
Gruden’s playbook has a lot of verbiage, which can make it complex and challenging to learn at first, but Johnson was a quick study.
“He brought in a lot of veteran players, and the system had a lot of language, a lot of verbiage,” Johnson said. “His biggest deal was taking advantage of what defenses would give you versus personnel match-ups. I remember the first time I met him he asked me what our defense was going to do in mini-camp when we ran the Blast Off To Joker Right X Short 22 X Drive Halfback Burst? How are they going to stop Triple Right F-Right 358 Nebraska X Seam? How are they going to stop that? He’s really good at personnel groupings against different defenses and attacking them. That’s why you have to learn the language. Rich Gannon told me you really have to buy into it and get programmed, and run the right play that has a chance.
“Jon wants to teach, and you see that on his quarterbacks show [on ESPN. What plays work versus certain defenses? What are the good things that can happen when you get into certain plays, and what are the bad things that can happen if you don’t respond to certain blitz looks? He’s not always looking for the best plays. He’s trying to stay away from the negative plays. He’s a teacher of the game and he’s going to demand it from both sides – coaches and players. He’s going to demand it from up top, too. He’s going to have the players that he needs on the team.”
Johnson texted me the plays he discussed, and also shared with me what Gruden told him the very first time they met at One Buccaneer Place. Gruden walked in and looked Johnson in the eyes and said, “We are going to win the Super Bowl this year. Do you believe me? Do you believe me? We are going to win it this year.”
And they did.
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• Here is one final item on Jon Gruden. Do you remember how cosmic it was when Gruden played his former teams San Francisco, Philadelphia and Oakland in the 2002 postseason en route to winning a Super Bowl?
Well here’s something equally eerie. Should Gruden leave the Monday Night Football booth and return to coaching next year his final two broadcasts this season include three of his former teams. Gruden will call the Atlanta at Tampa Bay game this Monday and then the Oakland at Philadelphia game the following Monday on Christmas night. Kind of wild, isn’t it?
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Jason Licht should stay, in fact I think Dirk should stay as well. Winston has been a major problem, when Fitzpatrick was QB, the Bucs played better offensively. And the defense has just been ravaged by injuries all season. I don’t like to panic. Did Dirk make mistakes? Of course. But I really don’t like changing the head coach every two years unless it is obvious the head coach has lost his team. I don’t feel that way about Dirk. The games so far in December have been close. Hopefully, Winston is just in a sophomore slump, and the defense… Read more »
My problem with koetter is that he is a terrible game time adjuster. Him and Mike Smith both are. Coaching is more important than talent. Can you name me three starters on the patriots defense? And yet they have one of the top ranked defenses in the league again. How many times this year have we been tied or leading in the fourth inlymto givenit away? Teams have already said how predictable our offense is and it’s obvious coaching has passed smith by. I mean is there anyone here who thinks Julio won’t go off for 200 yards again this… Read more »
With all the talent the Buc’s have, while losing week after week, it is tempting to place the blame on the coaches. It’s really tough to sort out. I was really a “Dirk” fan when he was hired as HC. Now, I feel like cleaning house, but I’m not sure it would serve a purpose. Dirk is growing just as the players should be. The idea of flitting from one HC to another certainly has no appeal. Hearing all the talk about Gruden is also confusing. Gruden did a great job of coaching a team that was prepared by Dungy.… Read more »
In my humble opinion, the Bucs should sign Bill Polian as head of ALL football operations and let him sort out the coaching staff and front office. I do agree with you on Winston. His on the field turnovers and off the field issues make him both a coach and franchise killer. I think it would be a HUGE mistake to pick another coach based on Winston. Let’s not forget, developing Winston was the reason for picking Koetter which now appears to be a mistake. I think we should hire a defensive genius and draft defensive players. Building a great… Read more »
Another fap piece about Gruden?
Shocker…
I have to apologize to PR actually, because I’ve been grouping them together. It’s really Scott that’s stroking the Gruden shaft way more than Trevor and Mark. So yeah, sorry PR for blaming you for Scott’s issues. I saw no mention of even “classified sources” that says anything about linking Gruden and the Bucs next year or even Koetter’s and Licht’s firing in general. Oddly enough, I found a “I know why Gruden was fired but I’ll tell you later” quote in the piece which is just bizarre. I mean, I would feel that is slightly more relevant and grounded… Read more »
It’s Meatloaf not “Meatball”. Of course there’s Licht as “Meathead”
Agreed! I’m not a fan of brining him back.
First of all, isn’t it funny how Boog is talking consistency? And used Mike Tomlin as an example. I think some old timer poster said some of, if not, the same things. Secondly, please stop saying “The Glazers” when you talk past success for this team. That was all Uncle Malcolm and we all know it. You make it sound like Twiddle Dee, Dumb, and Dumber had something to do with that. Other than propping the old man up and keeping him healthy as best they could, they did nothing! They are more linked to the past 10 shitty years… Read more »
The Glazer babies fired Gruden and Bruce Allen for going 9-7. The Bucs have gone 9-7 or better twice in the 10 seasons since. While I don’t have a ton of sympathy for Mark Dominik, it was quite clear that for most of his tenure the franchise was restricting the pocketbook as the Bucs along with the Chiefs were two of the cheapest franchises in pro football after 2005. Remember when Michael Koenen was the big free agent signing for the 2011 offseason? A freaking punter was the only “big money” contract the Glazer babies allowed Dominik to sign that… Read more »
I’m not over the top for Gruden returning.
If we do get a new regime , I’d prefer current coaches from the NFL. OL and DL need to be fixed regardless of who is coaching.
Very good Fab 5, Scott. As for Licht, I think that, as you suggest, his being extended or not will depend mostly upon whether the new head coach we hire wants him to stay or to leave. I completely agree that Licht will not be tasked with hiring Koetter’s replacement – the Glazers are going to do that after Licht convinced them to hire Koetter instead. As for deserving to stay or go, with Licht he’s right on the edge. His drafts have actually been pretty good, in comparison with other GMs in the league. However he’s been pathetic on… Read more »
I agree with most of what is discussed in the article. I judge players by if your team cut the player how long would they be out of work, in other words are other teams interested in their talent. The four players would be signed quickly if released, they are valuable. But I think you missed a large Licht miss. Sims, as a season ticket holder I get tired of seeing him come into a game and dancing until he gets tackled. Our whole section at RayJay moans when he comes in the game. I also believe if the Buc’s… Read more »
not sure Winston is able to be developed much beyond where he is. When he was drafted the scouts and PR said, he is “pro ready” and is a “winner”. I don’t buy into the excuse that he is ONLY 23. He has 54 TO in 42 games and his winning % is now ~40% which is actually in Fitz territory. Additionally he comes with some off the field issues. I say we move and sign either Keenum, Cousins or Alex Smith when KC let’s him go.
I’m in Meathead’s corner. He is not the problem. Where he has missed is with the FAs. The Bucs should clean house with the overpaid FAs and continue to build though the draft. They’ve got good young talent… Focus on the lines; offensive and defensive. How about a breakdown of all of the Bucs GMs and their draft hits & misses? I have a feeling that Meathead would end up on the top of that pile. As Booger pointed out, besides firing yet another coach after two years; would Gruden then come in and install his dink & dunk west… Read more »
In most organizations, if a particular employee or executive only performed half of his job about half right, and totally failed on the other half of his job, he would not have a job.
That’s the situation with Licht. He’s only OK at best on the draft, and he’s been absolutely horrible at free agents.
And then there was his “bonus job” – that of hand picking the next head coach? How’s that working out for him?
So, compare him to previous GMs? He still comes out on top. As Scott said, 1st round is about 50%, 2nd – 40%, 3rd – 30%… This averages out to less that a 50% hit rate for an entire draft. Who is this magic person that you want that you’d be willing to throw away the best GM that the Bucs have ever had???
As I wrote below, Licht only gets a passing grade on the draft, but that is only part of his job, a minority of it, actually. Licht clearly gets a rousing “fail” on his free agent deals, and gets a rousing fail on his head coaching hires (along with the assistant coaching hires too).
As Meatball wrote, “two out of three ain’t bad”.
One out of three clearly is bad.
LOL – correction, “Meatloaf”, not “Meatball”.
Along,with “Meathead”, that’s too many meats to keep straight.
That is because the vast majority of GM’s aren’t very good picking talent at least not in real world conditions. They still don’t lean on analytics as much as the should. Plus they typically work around team needs and what available. So right from the start the deck is stacked against them if you’re just looking at recruiting draft talent. Having said that once your percentage goes below 50% you are literally no more useful in that regard than a coin toss. In general the vast majority of “experts” in any field only achieve about 50% success with predicted outcomes.… Read more »
Did you just accuse Jason Licht of being “the best GM that the Bucs have ever had???” So first I assume that you’ve been a fan of this team for 2 years of less. Second I take it you’re saying that a GM of a team that has never made the playoffs, and only once won more games than it lost in 4 years, including one year where it was the worst team in football is better than a GM who, went to the playoffs five times (97, 99, 2000, 2001, 2002) won a super bowl (2002), drafted 2 HOFers… Read more »
Naples- by your standard- we should cut Winston. He is winning less than half of his starts, 40% and has 54 TO in 42 games.
Bucnut2 – the standards for individual players are different than the standards for GMs. Vastly different responsibility. Wins and losses are not an individual player stat, though they are often ascribed to quarterbacks. Wins and losses are definitely credited to head coaches over a one to two or three year period. For GMs, whose work usually doesn’t produce results except over the medium to long term, Ws and Ls are still a bottom line, but over a longer timeframe. That’s why I’ve always maintained that in most cases one cannot judge a GM in just one or a couple of… Read more »
Just hire Gruden. It will fill the stands. He has charisma, and just having him in the building brings national attention to the team. He is a better motivator than Koetter. Better play caller. And a better disciplinarian. Jameis needs someone to yell at him. Koettter kinda whines at him. Gruden will cuss him out on the sideline and any other player who makes a bone headed mistake.
I just think Jameis needs somenoe coaching him that has a personality bigger than his. Gruden is that guy.
Agreed and that’s honestly the biggest reason I would love Jon. Jameis needs an in your face coach. He thrived with that under Jimbo in college. He plays better, heck he’s even asked Koetter to get in his face more
Gruden will lose his voice screaming at Winston with all of his TOs’.
I agree that Jon Gruden would be a great head coach to work with Jameis Winston. I am not sure that Gruden as head coach will be enough, because a head coach has to accommodate a much wider bandwidth than may be available. If Gruden does take over as head coach, obviously his quarterback coach, who may do double duty as non-playcalling offensive coordinator, will get the bulk of the personal coaching time with Jameis. In fact some believe that Koetter was doing much better as Jameis’s offensive coach before he took over as head coach. Gruden, if he really… Read more »
I completely agree the Licht should stay. Yea hes missed on some things but so does every GM. Overall hes done a nice job of bringing in talent. He hit a home run in last years draft. 4 very good players in one draft is hard to do. The biggest problem is clearly coaching and that has nothing to do with Licht. Bring back Gruden!!!
Every single year the draft class looks better than it will down the road. Inherently people prop up the production of rookies and assume they will all get better or maintain when they often do not. While the draft class looks nice today, no one was accusing the 2016 draft class of being an epic failure. One year later what do you make of Hargreaves, Spence, Aguayo and Ryan Smith? Would you agree you were higher on those players during last season than you are today? Welcome to the fact that NFL drafts rarely age well. Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb… Read more »
Godwin, Evans, Beckwith, and of course O.J. were good picks. But when you already have Mike Evans, who I see as a possession receiver, not a game changer, why draft Godwin? O.J. to good to pass up, but Brate is already on the roster. McDougal isn’t as good as Evans will become, but has been more then serviceable for the Seahawks. Wouldn’t it have helped us more drafting Hunt, Kamara, the center from Ohio St? It seems to me we doubled up with players who have similar skills. Licht gambled with the D line, and lost big time. I look… Read more »
The players Licht drafted in 2017 appear to be good for their positions. Unfortunately none of them impact the game the same way a pass rusher or pass protector does. Imagine building an NFL roster in an leaguewide draft and saying “I’m going use my first round pick to pick the best tight end in the NFL, then I’m going for the best safety in the NFL and use my third round pick on the best strongside linebacker in a 4-3.” “Wait why isn’t my team winning any games??” Positions matter, there’s a reason why good pass rushers and left… Read more »
It’s pretty simple, you take the best player available on your board when your pick comes up. The reason why Licht’s last draft class was such a “smashing success” is because he didn’t reach for anything and doesn’t care if Mike Evans is on the team so therefore we can’t draft Chris Godwin. What if Evans got hurt for instance? Everyone scratched their head at the Beckwith pick but Licht suddenly looks like a genius when injuries inevitably happen. Get the best players, and then work a scheme around them. Right now, it looks like the Bucs would actually be… Read more »
That’s wonderful that Licht has appeared to do well in the 2017 NFL draft with some solid secondary pieces . However in 4 years as the chief architect of the roster, you need to find pass rushers and pass protectors in of those years/drafts. Jason Licht has failed to do that. Spending one second round pick one Noah Spence and one second round pick on Donovan Smith did not solve the problem. Signing Robert Ayers, Chris Baker or JR Sweezy did not solve the problem. You can’t neglect the line and fail to sign anyone of consequence in four years… Read more »
Hire Gruden, Try trade Winston to Clevland for the first pick, most likely they will laugh, trade whatever else needed to get 1st pick Draft Sam Arnold from USC with the first pick and team will soar.
I mean damn, if you’re going to be that rash at least get the right QB in Josh Allen. Just in case you were thinking otherwise, there’s basically no way Cleveland is moving out of the #1 pick. The analytics actually pan out on that pick’s importance.
I say let’s try something different. Let’s keep Koetter and all the coaching staff including Smith. Lets keep Licht and his staff. Let’s forget this pipe dream called Gruden. Finally let’s go out next season and get some need draft picks and the best Free agents we can. Sometimes you have to feel the pain and learn from your mistakes. This team has been through a crap storm this season. A few breaks and we could be up there with the division leaders. It’s human nature to point a finger and blame someone. So unless you thrive on chaos and… Read more »
Might as well rename the site to GrudenReport.com.
The only article with greater spin than the Fab 1 ‘Save My Friend Jason Licht!’ in the Scott Reynolds era is the Roberto Aguayo ‘Mortar Kick’ articles. How did that work out? First, to the point that ownership should look at the play of the rookies and voluntarily pay Licht for 4 more years to improve on his sub 35 winning percentage, please look at the rookie years of: Michael Clayton, Cadillac Williams, Doug Martin, Tanard Jackson. You could add in 16 game rookie starters Donovan Smith, Vernon Hargreaves or Arron Sears, and for fun lets include 9 game rookie… Read more »
Or, devasher, to put it a little more succinctly, those who want to extend Licht have now acknowledged that Licht has successfully redefined deviancy (as in losing) downward to the point where his bottom line results look like success to us perennial losers – i.e., Bucs fans.
Apparently there are at least 4 fans that believe results don’t matter.
Funny world we live in nowadays.
Yup … for every business decision, there is always a bottom line. If winning more games than you lose in the NFL after four seasons of whacking away at it is NOT the bottom line in this business, then what the hell IS the bottom line for a GM? I write this as someone whom up until a few months ago thought that the jury was still out on Licht, and depending upon how this season went, by its end we’d finally know his real value to the Buccaneers. Well, now we know. I also argued three years ago, then… Read more »
I don’t often agree with Booger, but he is right about the coaching searches. I also agree that it was Malcolm who made two brilliant coaching hires. Probably has something to do with being the one who actually made the decisions which resulted in the fortune. I am back and forth about Licht, but the real question is not just how he has performed but can you hire somebody who can do a better job?
One day this fanbase will realize that successful coaches, like successful teams, are built from home-grown stock. You can’t just pick some guy off the street and expect him to be successful in any sustainable measure without investment. At some point you need to actually commit to someone and so far I haven’t seen a reason to say that Koetter can’t improve and isn’t worth working with. It’s not like he’s completely closed to change as was indicated last year. He hasn’t lost this team like Morris or Schiano had and we’re not suffering constant blowouts like we did with… Read more »
Wouldn’t Gruden be considered home grown stock?
If you consider trading for a head coach from another team home-grown, then yes.
I’m having problems in justifying keeping Koetter, Smith. I believe they’re the reason why we’re 4-9. They didn’t do enough adapting, adjusting, improvising; now it’s too late because we aren’t going to the Super Bowl, much less the Playoffs. They should be replaced. I have to admit I’ve softened some to Gruden. Can he also turn around not just the offense, but the defense too? Licht I’m leaning in keeping How much influence did Koetter, Smith, Owners, Consultants have pertaining to Drafting, Free Agency, Contract Negotiations. If they weren’t involved much then Licht should go and we find someone else… Read more »
We would’ve had a better roster the last four years if we picked P.R.’s best bets, McShays, Kiper, or a blind man throwing darts at the draft board instead of Lichts picks! When Licht is fired, it’ll be said by all the talking heads, the G.M. who moved up into the second round for a kicker. Might as well put it on his tomb stone.
I really wanted nothing to do with Gruden again but all the points you brought up Scott has changed my opinion. Gruden has been learning and growing for nine straight years. I do believe he will be a much better head coach and play caller because he has been non stop learning to be a better head coach. I still think Koetter should get another year to turn things around but if he’s gone he’s gone. I wouldnt argue about that. But I would be excited if Jon Gruden was announced as the New Bucs Head Coach. I NEVER thought… Read more »
Invert, always invert.
Put the Gruden debate aside. Are we willin to have Winston coached only by Dirk before makin the decision to sign him to a $100 million deal in two years? That is how you bury a franchise.
Now let’s rejoin the debate – compare Gruden’s strengths and weaknesses to those of others willing to incur reputational damage by comin here and risking getting the One Buc Two-year Step pulled on them.
The decisions should make themselves