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Posted by: @firebowles2026

Is Matt Miller someone you tend to trust or agree with?

I would say he's no better or worse than any of the pundits. Like anybody else, he gets stuff wrong.

 

If you use the standard Biggs applies ( Miller) to rate the GMs/teams, then Licht did better (3 our of top 44) than Howie Roseman (2 out of top 44) and the best drafting teams were the Jets and the Dolphins, I think.

FWIW . .PFF has the Bucs with a B+ and ranked 15 of 32

Eagles B+

Jets A-

Dolphins B+

 


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Posted : May. 1, 2026 10:20 am
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But, in hindsight, one can at least see the thought on Trotter as the more Bowles-specific pick.

Why?

Because of the family ties?

Hill can do everything Trotter can, just as well, and more (coverage, splash plays, etc.). 

I was thinking more of the potential parallel with White, in Bowles' mind…

 

Okay. 

That makes sense. 

Again, with that being said, it just confirms the poor player evaluation. 

And, if (as it was reported) they actually had him and Rodriguez similarly graded, I’d be willing to bet that Todd would’ve pushed for Trotter even if Jacob was still on the board. 

Alas, I’m simply ready for a new regime. 

 


 
Posted : May. 1, 2026 10:30 am
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if (as it was reported) they actually had him and Rodriguez similarly graded

right on cue! In todays Fab 5

 

"The Bucs had Trotter similarly rated to Texas Tech inside linebacker Jacob Rodriguez despite them being completely different players. Rodriguez was a turnover machine for the Red Raiders, but actually played more weakside linebacker like the role Alex Anzalone will play in Tampa Bay this year. Trotter was a Bucs Best Bet at inside linebacker.

Trotter is better suited to play middle linebacker in Todd Bowles’ scheme because he’s 10 pounds bigger at 240 pounds and can stack and shed offensive linemen better. While Trotter has a ways to go in coverage, he just turned 21 and has only played two years of college football, recording 176 tackles, including 17 tackles for loss. Trotter is the son of Eagles legendary linebacker Jeremiah Trotter and has great instincts. I’ve really come around on this selection and see the thinking behind the Trotter pick."


 
Posted : May. 1, 2026 11:08 am
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You don't trade up for a player that could go 40+ picks later that isn't BPA, isn't the best TE, and isn't going to unseat the TE3 on the depth chart.

to your point:

"Round 6: LSU TE Bauer Sharp

The Bucs needed to trade up for Sharp in the sixth round because he was the last tight end they had a draftable grade on. And the team really likes Sharp’s attitude and tenacity as a blocker. He’s a more complete tight end than Devin Culp is, and I think he beats Culp out for a roster spot this year because he’ll also be better on special teams."


 
Posted : May. 1, 2026 11:13 am
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Posted by: @bucsbits

FWIW . .PFF has the Bucs with a B+ and ranked 15 of 32

Which means PFF doesn't have any idea what it's talking about.  15 of 32 is a C, which is a crime of an evaluation.  


 
Posted : May. 1, 2026 12:00 pm
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Posted by: @bucsbits

For better or worse . . . "nobody's going to run on them" is Bowles core defensive starting point

 

And should be everyone's starting point from a DC perspective.  


 
Posted : May. 1, 2026 12:02 pm
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Posted by: @bucsbits

FWIW . .PFF has the Bucs with a B+ and ranked 15 of 32

Which means PFF doesn't have any idea what it's talking about.  15 of 32 is a C, which is a crime of an evaluation.  

Umm…

 


 
Posted : May. 1, 2026 12:20 pm
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Posted by: @bucsbits

FWIW . .PFF has the Bucs with a B+ and ranked 15 of 32

Which means PFF doesn't have any idea what it's talking about.  15 of 32 is a C, which is a crime of an evaluation.  

I haven't looked but usually the worst grade are like D+

So if the best is A+ and the worst is D+ then the middle is B ish 

 


 
Posted : May. 1, 2026 1:03 pm
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You don't trade up for a player that could go 40+ picks later that isn't BPA, isn't the best TE, and isn't going to unseat the TE3 on the depth chart.

to your point:

"Round 6: LSU TE Bauer Sharp

The Bucs needed to trade up for Sharp in the sixth round because he was the last tight end they had a draftable grade on. And the team really likes Sharp’s attitude and tenacity as a blocker. He’s a more complete tight end than Devin Culp is, and I think he beats Culp out for a roster spot this year because he’ll also be better on special teams."

I always love this "our grade" philosophy. Saying he's the last TE with a draftable grade doesn't change the fact that he would have been there later and trading up was a waste and we had far more glaring needs than challenging Culp for TE3.

Part of the draft can be your board but you also have to live in reality.

I'll use an extreme example. Travis Kelce was a third round pick. I think we can all agree in hindsight that was way too far back. I think we can all agree that if he went top 5 and assuming all career milestones are the same that it wouldn't be frowned upon in hindsight.

BUT

If you could have gotten Kelce with your 2nd round pick instead (because logically he went later) this is an example of the nuances skills between your board and maximizing your picks.

Endless example of this...

 


 
Posted : May. 1, 2026 1:09 pm
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Posted by: @bucsbits

FWIW . .PFF has the Bucs with a B+ and ranked 15 of 32

Which means PFF doesn't have any idea what it's talking about.  15 of 32 is a C, which is a crime of an evaluation.  

Umm…

 

Just like there can only be one "best", this grade doesn't make any sense given the position of 15 to anyone who wasn't raised to "just go out and give it the ole college try".  The Bucs drafted well.  Now we will see if they can stay healthy. 

 


 
Posted : May. 1, 2026 1:24 pm
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Posted by: @theknees

Posted by: @bucsbits

FWIW . .PFF has the Bucs with a B+ and ranked 15 of 32

Which means PFF doesn't have any idea what it's talking about.  15 of 32 is a C, which is a crime of an evaluation.  

Umm…

 

Just like there can only be one "best", this grade doesn't make any sense given the position of 15 to anyone who wasn't raised to "just go out and give it the ole college try".  The Bucs drafted well.  Now we will see if they can stay healthy. 

 

Their draft was okay. 

Had some misses in the first 4 rounds. 

Hopefully, those pan out. 

 


 
Posted : May. 1, 2026 2:08 pm
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Coen draft was terrible by the standard posted here but awesome if it works because he's definitely going his own way 

 

"ranking 29th in "Draft Capital Over Expectation". GM James Gladstone frequently reached for players, with 7 of 10 picks, including Nate Boerkircher (56th overall vs. 163rd consensus) and Albert Regis (81st vs. 150th), taken well before their consensus ranking."


 
Posted : May. 1, 2026 7:55 pm
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The Jaguars GM called their draft "strategically bold" 

 

 


 
Posted : May. 1, 2026 8:00 pm
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Watched Howie Roseman talk about preparing his roster for more 12 & 13 personnel. Have heard a few others discussing it that issue both before and after the draft. 

Will be interesting to see how their picks & FA’s play out and why that’s top-of-mind for them. Those teams are clearly chasing McVay/Rams.

I think the Bucs leveled up with Bain, don’t have that same sense with the El Serpiente’s.

Interesting season ahead.

 


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Posted : May. 1, 2026 9:37 pm
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Coens run game while here was from another dimension.  You'd see the Bucs run the same play, same formation twice and then the third time they ran it the LB who had seen the play twice would run to fill the hole only to get leveled by a pulling G who wasn't there the first two times. 

next level amazing. 

maybe that is why he's drafting TEs a couple rounds early. Who knows? There is a fine line between genius and mad man


 
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