In the past the Bucs have been able to work some magic to get some team freindly deals. Not necessarily bad deals for the players, but deals that help the Bucs maneuver around cap issues. It seems that the agents have had enough of Licht's bag of tricks. Evans - pissed off, hits the road. Baker - not in the ballpark. Vea - not budging. Three is a trend.
It seems like Licht and the Bucs will have to pay the bloated market value contracts or let the players go. Kind of like every other team in the league has to do. The Bucs have Baker, Vea, Diaby and Mauch all coming up for deals and there's only one franchise tag. The Bucs will lose players because they'll get paid big contracts, but they don't want to be the big spenders to bring in first tier free agents.
I just wonder when Licht looks out the window of One Buc does he see the changing landscape? It's pretty simple. Decide who you want to keep them most, hold your nose and pay them the market value, mostly guaranteed. It may come back to bite you in the ass, but that's the way it is. The other guys you just have to let walk and hopefully get some comp picks.
I don't think so to be honest as the team since Rich McKay era used roster bonuses instead of huge upfront guaranteed money. Currently the team is able to use more guaranteed money to lure players and keep players compared to 20 years ago. But there are still limitations on how far they are willing to go based on what the Glazers want to do with their money and cash flow. Locking up money and not putting to money to work doesn't make logical sense so people giving the Glazers a hard time over this is not congruent with reality.
For me what does bother me is the over use of void years lately which doomed Bruce Allen and it is hurting Licht this off season.
As for having to make a hard decision with the roster well the Bucs started the soft reboot of their roster after 2021 season which failed to be a repeat SB. They are another draft out from fully completing a full reboot of the SB roster. The 2022, 2023, 2024, 2025, and 2026 drafts have showed this trend and are all different departures from the 2021 draft. Bucs franchise is on a similar trajectory as the Seahawks because after the 2019 draft Schneider had to change his approach starting with the 2020 draft and did a soft reboot with the trade of RW to the Broncos a few years later. The 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024 and 2025 drafts laid down the foundation of the Seahawks SB team of 2025. If it was not for Metcalf and Barton that 2019 draft was bad. But the Bucs 2021 draft was far worse in retrospect.
Truthfully the Bucs don't need to keep all these players as the 2027 draft will be the capstone to the complete turnover of the roster from the SB team. Just have to figure out who belongs as the future part of that new nucleus.
Are you saying it's all part of the plan? Business as usual? That seems to be what you are saying. I 'm suggesting that perhaps it's not business as usual. I could be wrong.I don't think so to be honest ...... Just have to figure out who belongs as the future part of that new nucleus.
In the past, Licht and his crew have worked the cap masterfully. They got a cap freindly deal with the last Baker contract and the Wirfs and Winfield deals for example.
This offseason and preseason things have not gone so smoothly. Evans- I get it why he went elsewhere, but why did he get pissed off and take a deal that was purportedly no better than what the Bucs offered? Why is Baker getting insulting offers? And now Vea might be up for trade. Look, if one of those things happened that's just how the cookie crumbles in the NFL. But it seems like one thing after another right now.
Choose an answer about the player contract situation at OneBuc....
A) It's business as usual and Licht will get it sorted out, or
B) Things have changed in the NFL and Licht doesn't have a handle on it.
C) Other?
Wizardry in contract negotiations is mortgaging the future. If Baker had signed the reported $50 million contract, the top 5 salary players on the Roster would have accounted for 60% of the 2027 salary cap. And that is without resigning Vea. If Baker had signed that reported $50 million contract, it would have taken the Bucs over the 2027 salary contract without even signing Vea.
OK for Baker we're talking about an extension/contract starting in 2027 hitting the cap in 2027. The 2027 QB Franchise Tag will be $50 mil plus which can't be manipulated for cap purposes Assuming Baker has a reasonably good season he'll command north of $50 mil easy on the open market which is where he'll be going. What's your point then?Wizardry in contract negotiations is mortgaging the future. If Baker had signed the reported $50 million contract, the top 5 salary players on the Roster would have accounted for 60% of the 2027 salary cap. And that is without resigning Vea. If Baker had signed that reported $50 million contract, it would have taken the Bucs over the 2027 salary contract without even signing Vea.
It seems that the agents have had enough of Licht's bag of tricks. Evans - pissed off, hits the road.
Smdh….
Care to elaborate? I'm asking for opinions. I'm inviting people to tell me where my impressions might be off base. I'm willing to listen. But all you can do, like usual, is make a snide four letter dumbass throw away. But it's typical of you.It seems that the agents have had enough of Licht's bag of tricks. Evans - pissed off, hits the road.
Smdh….
Are you saying it's all part of the plan? Business as usual? That seems to be what you are saying. I 'm suggesting that perhaps it's not business as usual. I could be wrong.
In the past, Licht and his crew have worked the cap masterfully.
Aren't they working the cap pretty masterfully now? Part of mastering the cap at this stage of game is deciding what to do with players like LVD, Evans, Vea
But all you can do, like usual, is make a snide four letter dumbass throw away. But it's typical of you.
Okay, per your request, I'll give you more than a four letter dumbass throw away.
You complaining about Licht and the way he does contracts (and claiming player's agents are tired of it), then leading with Evans as an example, might be the dumbest thing posted on here this year. But, it's typical of you.
Well, working the cap means signing the players you want to keep with relatively cap freindly deals with the ability to So right now I'm hearing talk that Vea will be traded because neither side will budge. And of course Baker is TBD after this year.Are you saying it's all part of the plan? Business as usual? That seems to be what you are saying. I 'm suggesting that perhaps it's not business as usual. I could be wrong.
In the past, Licht and his crew have worked the cap masterfully.
Aren't they working the cap pretty masterfully now? Part of mastering the cap at this stage of game is deciding what to do with players like LVD, Evans, Vea
You seem to be presuming that they will probably get these deals done at the end of the day, and if so then great. But it wasn't this way for Wirfs, Winfield and Goedeke was it? The Wirfs hold-in lasted until August 1st. I don't have a problem if Vea holds in for the entire camp if they get things settled at the end of it, but the recent rumblings have cast doubt about that.
As I said I don't have a problem with the fact that they didn't sign Evans. But is it true that he took an offer for less money to leave? That was a rumor out there, but I don't know if it's true. But its definitely true that his only statement about him leaving was through his agent. He's going to go into the HOF in a Bucs uniform, but he didn't have five minutes to step in front of a microphone and say good bye on his way out. Why is that? Then Baker is gets an offer he considers insulting. This isn't typical stuff going on at One Buc.But all you can do, like usual, is make a snide four letter dumbass throw away. But it's typical of you.
Okay, per your request, I'll give you more than a four letter dumbass throw away.
You complaining about Licht and the way he does contracts (and claiming player's agents are tired of it), then leading with Evans as an example, might be the dumbest thing posted on here this year. But, it's typical of you.
I'm just wondering if the agents aren't interested anymore in the kind of team freindly structuring of the contracts that Licht likes to do. I don't have any inside knowledge. I just know that things aren't going well right now. Perhaps that will change and it will all be much ado about nothing. I hope so.
As I said I don't have a problem with the fact that they didn't sign Evans.
They DID try and sign Evans.
He left for less money.
Everybody can speculate, but it was pretty damn obvious why (see Atlanta game).
Then Baker is gets an offer he considers insulting.
With all the details out there, this is more on Baker.
I asked the Philly retard this same question (she refused to answer), so I'll ask you:
How many QB's have signed contracts or essential extensions that have given them total guarantees of over $140M over 3 seasons?
How many?
I'm just wondering if the agents aren't interested anymore in the kind of team freindly structuring of the contracts that Licht likes to do.
You've listed 2 real examples (one in which, if you answer the aforementioned question, isn't as egregious as you're making it out to be) and you're acting like the sky is falling.
Not to mention that these 2 examples are players who are essentially looking for one last pay day in relation to where they're at in their respective careers.
Again, I hope I'm wrong. But if they trade Vea then the sky is indeed falling as far as 2026 is concerned. As for Baker, $140 mil guaranteed over three years is a too much, but not by much. $50 mil for two years equals $100 mil. Nobody would have complained if that was the deal. Then a third year with a partial guarantee of some kind is also logical but the amount of that is the question. But if Baker has a decent season $140 mil guaranteed will seem like a bargain when compared to what he'll get from some team if it's not the Bucs. Somebody will ignore the age factor and bet on Baker for three guaranteed years.As I said I don't have a problem with the fact that they didn't sign Evans.
They DID try and sign Evans.
He left for less money.
Everybody can speculate, but it was pretty damn obvious why (see Atlanta game).
Then Baker is gets an offer he considers insulting.
With all the details out there, this is more on Baker.
I asked the Philly retard this same question (she refused to answer), so I'll ask you:
How many QB's have signed contracts or essential extensions that have given them total guarantees of over $140M over 3 seasons?
How many?
I'm just wondering if the agents aren't interested anymore in the kind of team freindly structuring of the contracts that Licht likes to do.
You've listed 2 real examples (one in which, if you answer the aforementioned question, isn't as egregious as you're making it out to be) and you're acting like the sky is falling.
Not to mention that these 2 examples are players who are essentially looking for one last pay day in relation to where they're at in their respective careers.
I don't mean to imply that it's all because Licht is failing or something. It's a two way street and I'm just questioning if there is that ability for the two sides to come together as they have had in the past. It's not all on Licht.
Are you saying it's all part of the plan? Business as usual? That seems to be what you are saying. I 'm suggesting that perhaps it's not business as usual. I could be wrong.I don't think so to be honest ...... Just have to figure out who belongs as the future part of that new nucleus.
In the past, Licht and his crew have worked the cap masterfully. They got a cap freindly deal with the last Baker contract and the Wirfs and Winfield deals for example.
This offseason and preseason things have not gone so smoothly. Evans- I get it why he went elsewhere, but why did he get pissed off and take a deal that was purportedly no better than what the Bucs offered? Why is Baker getting insulting offers? And now Vea might be up for trade. Look, if one of those things happened that's just how the cookie crumbles in the NFL. But it seems like one thing after another right now.
Choose an answer about the player contract situation at OneBuc....
A) It's business as usual and Licht will get it sorted out, or
B) Things have changed in the NFL and Licht doesn't have a handle on it.
C) Other?
It is business as usual for OBP. But my honest opinion? You can't do business as usual after that 2025 collapse. The players are in self preservation mode based on how they are reacting to contract offers now.
Bucs offered Evans MORE money than the 49ers and Evans made his choice with the 49ers.
Bucs offered a lot of guaranteed money to Mayfield and he is saying no thanks I want more years on that contract. I mean Mayfield has a point he already accepted a 3 year deal why would he accept another???
Vea is in his last year of his deal and all these DTs are being paid and Vea is like why wait a year? Shoot his shot now.
For the Bucs they are sticking to their plan of changing over the SB roster and are not in a win now mode to spend money with the way they conducted this off season. It was almost like Licht sleptwalked the entire off season
KG is just replacing White
Bucs drafted Hurst to replace Evans
Otton was re signed
Anzalone is replacing LVD
Rozeboom is replacing D. Jones
Roches is replacing Gaines
Muhammad is replacing Reddick
etc, etc, etc.
Only area where the Bucs made gains for their roster instead of just off sets was mostly from their draft picks.
Licht was at sleep at the wheel this off season and it comes down to Mayfield magic and 2026 rookies. But my position has been this team is another year out from seriously competing as they need another draft and maybe a new HC for 2027.
You seem to be presuming that they will probably get these deals done at the end of the day,
Or they will not, as a function of cap discipline.
