If you understand Bowles’s defense, and you have the healthy version of the players that are currently on our team, you can understand how this defense will be measures better than last year.
It’s fun to shitmouth the head coach or to say we aren’t contenders but, this defense will be different.
From July of 2025
Yep. Our offensive plan this year will be similar but different. Most behind the scenes feel like Grizz was the real brains behind the success of our offense last season. I expect we turn it up a notch this year.
Ladies and gentlemen, Devin Culp...
Lolz @ Grizz, Culp, and the leghumpers.
Translated, you got nothing and you expect Tampa to be a worse team on the field in 2026.
Plant City must be tough this time of year…
Depends on what you mean by develop but you could start with White. Bowles is the ONLY coach to get him to play at an All-Pro level
LOL!
That was a good one, bud.
LVD credits him with expanding his knowledge of the game, the key to his late success.
That's nice of LVD to say that, despite the fact that most of his best seasons were prior to Todd.
If the metric for "develop" is sustained success (ie White was obviously a failure long term) then AWJ, Davis, Dean, Diaby, Kancey (if healthy 7.5 sacks), Vea...
I find it interesting that you mention Dean in here.
You were the most vocal on here about him essentially never being good unless it was contract time (which was obviously false, but a cute narrative that many casuals echoed).
And, I also find it interesting that on top of Dean, you include Davis.
Especially when you consider the fact they had to call out Bowles on more than one occasion for not utilizing them properly. And, after Davis leaves, he has arguably his best set of consecutive seasons.
I guess its fair to credit him with AWJ, but outside of him, nothing noteworthy.
Sort of an interesting microcosm of discussions here. You asked. I tried to answer, but then most of your responses are actually NON-responses.
But to your main point, you didn't describe what YOU meant by "developed" so I had to provide the definition. If you disagreed just provide your own definition. I was not making a value statement (Dean good or bad, Davis good or bad), I was saying they fit the definition that someone might use for "developed."
It’s fun to shitmouth the head coach or to say we aren’t contenders but, this defense will be different.
Another retard alert.
Depends on what you mean by develop but you could start with White. Bowles is the ONLY coach to get him to play at an All-Pro level
LOL!
That was a good one, bud.
LVD credits him with expanding his knowledge of the game, the key to his late success.
That's nice of LVD to say that, despite the fact that most of his best seasons were prior to Todd.
If the metric for "develop" is sustained success (ie White was obviously a failure long term) then AWJ, Davis, Dean, Diaby, Kancey (if healthy 7.5 sacks), Vea...
I find it interesting that you mention Dean in here.
You were the most vocal on here about him essentially never being good unless it was contract time (which was obviously false, but a cute narrative that many casuals echoed).
And, I also find it interesting that on top of Dean, you include Davis.
Especially when you consider the fact they had to call out Bowles on more than one occasion for not utilizing them properly. And, after Davis leaves, he has arguably his best set of consecutive seasons.
I guess its fair to credit him with AWJ, but outside of him, nothing noteworthy.
Sort of an interesting microcosm of discussions here. You asked. I tried to answer, but then most of your responses are actually NON-responses.
But to your main point, you didn't describe what YOU meant by "developed" so I had to provide the definition. If you disagreed just provide your own definition. I was not making a value statement (Dean good or bad, Davis good or bad), I was saying they fit the definition that someone might use for "developed."
I wouldn't say "non-responses" as much as it's a longer conversation that's difficult to have on a message board.
Regarding the topic of "develop", and to keep it simple, I'd break it down into 2 categories:
1. Is the coach helping the player grow/improve with position-related skill sets, expand on them, etc.
2. Is the coach helping the player grow from a mental aspect.
Listen, Todd may be a good/solid DC.
But, he's not a good HC.
Never has been.
Didn't deserve this role in the first place.
it's a longer conversation that's difficult to have on a message board.
Good point Didn't think of it that way.
Exactly, the film says it all. It's a night and day difference. J-Rod's film is just impressive, Trotter's is not.@tb-bucfan4life you’re probably right. And most of the fans on here that are talking up Trotter in the 2nd are doing it because of their love for the Bucs. Trotter does not have the film that J-Rod has. As a Bucs fan, I hope trotter turns out. But J-Rod has more of the intangibles that make a great all-around linebacker.
Trotter will not develope. He will be another 2nd round bust IMO. I don't see the talent many of you see. Hope I'm wrong really, but it sure would be nice for JL to hit a home run in the second for a change.If we think we have the developers and scheme to achieve his full potential then we picked the right guy.
Todd did a bang up job of developing Devin White.
I feel extremely confident.
White was not developable, so there is that.
Name the players that Todd has developed.
Well, I guess that means you agree that White was not developable for his own INTERNAL reason?
Sure. I agree.
Now, the list?
Depends on what you mean by develop but you could start with White. Bowles is the ONLY coach to get him to play at an All-Pro level
If the metric for "develop" is sustained success (ie White was obviously a failure long term) then AWJ, Davis, Dean, Diaby, Kancey (if healthy 7.5 sacks), Vea, all young guys drafted and going on to solid careers so far. McCollum was awful last year but hes trying to be a #1 shut down corner as a 5th round pick? Too early to say but Parrish seems to be doing well.
He got a lot out of Mike Edwards and SMB. Hell, even Whitehead I. He even got a lot out of guys like Gholston and Hall. LVD credits him with expanding his knowledge of the game, the key to his late success. Shaq Barrett thrived under him.
Again, sort of depends on what one means by the word "develop" because where is the line between talent and development? The middle group here ("guys drafted and going on to solid careers so far") is maybe the best metric, but even there some is Bowles (or position coaches) and some is just the players.
but it sure would be nice for JL to hit a home run in the second for a change.
Marpet, Winfield
Goedeke and Mauch have been great as well
Exactly, the film says it all. It's a night and day difference. J-Rod's film is just impressive, Trotter's is not.@tb-bucfan4life you’re probably right. And most of the fans on here that are talking up Trotter in the 2nd are doing it because of their love for the Bucs. Trotter does not have the film that J-Rod has. As a Bucs fan, I hope trotter turns out. But J-Rod has more of the intangibles that make a great all-around linebacker.
J Rod is definitely flying around and making plays. But he needs to control himself at the pro level and wrap up. I can see why Miami drafted him because he is a lot like Brooks early in his career as a Seahawk but he really came into his own late in his rookie contract. It will be interesting to see if the Dolphins choose to extend Jordyn Brooks seeing they drafted J Rod and Louis.
talking up Trotter in the 2nd are doing it because of their love for the Bucs
is there anyone actually doing that? It seems like it universal disappointment in advance lol
Ive posted on the "why" . . . . why they may have drafted him but because of trying to make sense of it, like most things Bucs
talking up Trotter in the 2nd are doing it because of their love for the Bucs
is there anyone actually doing that? It seems like it universal disappointment in advance lol
Ive posted on the "why" . . . . why they may have drafted him but because of trying to make sense of it, like most things Bucs
They clearly drafted him to piss the red board off. No real research, just a relationship between Bowles and his old man. Bottom line, this GM team isn’t getting paid enough to really put the effort into talent evaluation. Hopefully soon we will get there. But in the meantime, just another LB who can’t cover and will rack up the tackles, not really making any relevant game challenging plays…
But in the meantime, just another LB who can’t cover and will rack up the tackles, not really making any relevant game challenging plays…
Are you talking about Trotter?
Or, are you giving a eulogy for your boy, Devin White?
I have sat back and watched this thread and discussion. I would like to stick my nose in the discussion on two points.talking up Trotter in the 2nd are doing it because of their love for the Bucs
is there anyone actually doing that? It seems like it universal disappointment in advance lol
Ive posted on the "why" . . . . why they may have drafted him but because of trying to make sense of it, like most things Bucs
They clearly drafted him to piss the red board off. No real research, just a relationship between Bowles and his old man. Bottom line, this GM team isn’t getting paid enough to really put the effort into talent evaluation. Hopefully soon we will get there. But in the meantime, just another LB who can’t cover and will rack up the tackles, not really making any relevant game challenging plays…
First, I have come up with one unequivocal fact. Knees, you seem to know absolutely nothing about what you are talking about in this thread. You have made such ridiculous statements as "Trotter's film looks better than JRods". Which film did you "watch". I am curious if you watched anything at all or if you are just in here saying stupid shit. It seems like the latter. Trotter's film is nowhere close to looking better than JRods......not even in the same hemisphere......and you know why? Because they are two distinctly different players. I know because I have actually watched games with both players. There is an obvious reason Rodriguez was slated to go late 1st/early 2nd and most of the draft boards that were out there had Trotter as an early 3rd with the exception of a couple that had him late 2nd. Bowles and company liked the Trotter version at LB more than the Rodriguez version at LB. It isn't any more than that and Bowles basically said that (even though I think he's a mouth-breathing idiot).
Second, Trotter is here now. He's our guy whether we want him or not. As I stated elsewhere, I hope he sets the world on fire, redefines LB'ing in the NFL and gives me a 365-day shit sandwich course meal to correct the error in my thinking. I am confident that isn't going to happen but I am going to be his loudest fan when the toe hits the leather. He is drafted, now let's see what he turns into.