How did it go with all the Mayfield angst last contract?
https://www.pewterreport.com/community/the-red-board/baker-40m/
every contract is different for sure, but that all seemed to work out. Lots of concern about overpaying him etc
i fully believe something will be worked out. Being positive, Baker will play well in 2026, and he will sign a 4-5 year deal at $50M a year.
BUT...the whole debate here has been...do it now or wait after this season...and i just don't see many benefits to doing it now.
as I am sure some in the Bucs front office is. He played so poorly the last half he played himself out of a contract extension
sure sounds that way lol
"Baker is at the forefront of our mind at all times,” Licht said, via JoeBucsFan.com. “All of our plans revolve around Baker, and that’s something that we’ll get to at some point. I have had a lot of discussions with Baker about the team. We texted during the draft about some of the picks. I know he’s excited about the players that we took. We have a great relationship. Listen, nobody here wants Baker playing for [any] other team. So I’ll just leave it at that."
I think you're pretty much on an island. Even JC5100 is starting to wonder about you :-)
coach and GM talk. not that hard to see through
For most people, yes.
hahahahaahaha right on cue
Badabing . . you are now officially on the side of "White is RB1" and the Bucs should bench Mayfield for Trask!
If the Bucs were fully bought in on Baker, they would have extended him already.
There are two sides, right?
You sort of have to pick a lane. if you think the Bucs are in a make it or break it year, Bowles may get fired etc. then wouldn't Mayfield wonder the same thing?
Bowles future has very little to do with Baker's decision to accept a 4 year, $200M deal with $100M guaranteed. He is 31 years old in a rollercoaster of a career, coming off a season then ended poorly. He would accept that immediately as i said, "would play for the london silly nannies" as the Bucs outlook would have very little to do with his decision making.
That's a Biggs/DH line.
Except when its . . Coen talking about Rachaad White being a starter! OOF!
Or, when it’s Bowles talking about Trotter “They never asked him to cover”!
OOF!
BUT...the whole debate here has been...do it now or wait after this season...and i just don't see many benefits to doing it now.
To nobody’s surprise…
That's a Biggs/DH line.
Except when its . . Coen talking about Rachaad White being a starter! OOF!
Or, when it’s Bowles talking about Trotter “They never asked him to cover”!
OOF!
Whoa, careful there. You guys dont want to compare your football acumen to to Bowles????
KIDDING, of course.
I saw you posted that Trotter played 47% coverage snap last year? What was the source of that stat?
So far the closest I have seen was JQ's article
https://www.pewterreport.com/josiah-trotter-coverage-story-starts-october/
I see in the PFF stuff 516 snaps and an awful coverage grade but also 13 TFL and 3 sacks, and "his 89.2 run-defense grade ranked 36th among all qualified college linebacker," so at least he had demonstrated one part of the job.
I saw you posted that Trotter played 47% coverage snap last year? What was the source of that stat?
Per PFF.
How did it go with all the Mayfield angst last contract?
https://www.pewterreport.com/community/the-red-board/baker-40m/
every contract is different for sure, but that all seemed to work out. Lots of concern about overpaying him etc
i fully believe something will be worked out. Being positive, Baker will play well in 2026, and he will sign a 4-5 year deal at $50M a year.
BUT...the whole debate here has been...do it now or wait after this season...and i just don't see many benefits to doing it now.
The Bucs FO has punted on a lot of decisions this off season so I too don't see a reason for them to sign Mayfield to an extension now. But then again if they want to increase the level of challenge of next off season that is their choice to pursue.
I just think the Bucs strategy this off season of being very tight to the vest is going to cost them in the long run beyond this season.
How did it go with all the Mayfield angst last contract?
https://www.pewterreport.com/community/the-red-board/baker-40m/
every contract is different for sure, but that all seemed to work out. Lots of concern about overpaying him etc
i fully believe something will be worked out. Being positive, Baker will play well in 2026, and he will sign a 4-5 year deal at $50M a year.
BUT...the whole debate here has been...do it now or wait after this season...and i just don't see many benefits to doing it now.
The Bucs FO has punted on a lot of decisions this off season so I too don't see a reason for them to sign Mayfield to an extension now. But then again if they want to increase the level of challenge of next off season that is their choice to pursue.
I just think the Bucs strategy this off season of being very tight to the vest is going to cost them in the long run beyond this season.
or like i said, and nobody wants to admit, Baker played himself out of a contract extension, team collapsed under his leadership, and the Bucs are taking a rightfully so, wait and see approach.
The same ones clamoring to sign him to a 4 year, $200M deal now (or in DH's case, a not likely Kirk Cousins contract offer) will be the first ones to critique the Bucs if Baker actually continues to suck and now we are on the hook for a contract that there was no need to be on the hook for.
If Bucs go 6-11, Baker has his worst year as a Buc, you now are stuck with him where you could have easily moved on. The Bucs could very well be looking at a new coach next year, maybe a top 10 draft pick, and might be looking to start over if this scenario happens.
If Baker returns to dominance, it cost you maybe $10M a year or $40M in total contract value and honestly, we would sign that with confidence, but to do it now....that's a fuckin gamble man.
No name calling, both of could be correct. The team has made it clear that they would like to sign Baker now, Baker has indicated that would be acceptable.Too bad Brady quit on this team before he retired. Understandable, he lost his why.Mike Evans wouldn’t have left tom Brady 🤔
IMHO Mike Evans left Todd Bowles.
And then Brady left, Mike.
Apples & oranges.
I’m sure you’ll love the new Baker deal, eventually.
don't get it twisted, if Baker rebounds this season, i am all for bringing him back. The 4 year, $200M deal. Could be as high as $220M. or the extra year? gatzooks!
if he plays like he did the majority of last year though, it may just be best to clean house. After all, we'd have about 6 wins which would have us drafting in the top 10. a new offensive minded head coach and a package to trade up and land Arch Manning one might suggest?
as it sits today though, Baker needs to prove himself again...a situation he is familiar with you no doubt.
but go ahead and call me names as the Bucs brass doesn't extend him because the guy played himself out of a contract extension last season.
Could be that both Baker and the team want to see how this season plays out.
One would be more expensive than the other - but it doesn't necessarily mean we’re going to clean house.
As I’ve stated previously; I believe the Bucs know what they have in Baker, and Baker knows what is best for him and that the team has invested in building an offense around a competent, quality starter. I’d assume Baker is in negotiations, control rests with his decision on how best to move forward.
As has been pointed out, if the team begins to tank and the decision is made to blow up the strategy they have invested in the past 2 to 3 years - why would he want to commit?
Then again, why would any of us fans think the team would invest in maintaining the offense & rebuilding the defense, yet expect the organization would be strategizing to blow it all up?
It could be a scenario you have in the back of your mind, but you kinda have to be approaching it as your guiding principle. It does not appear to be at this point.
But in all of this hashing about: I have to wonder if the genesis of this is weird debate isn’t just badabing deciding Baker isn’t a competent/quality starter, and would like to lose enough games to go get a bright new shiny QB in the “very deep” 2027 draft next season - and that he may want us to consider blowing it all up in order to start over, now?
Maybe?
No name calling, both of could be correct. The team has made it clear that they would like to sign Baker now, Baker has indicated that would be acceptable.Too bad Brady quit on this team before he retired. Understandable, he lost his why.Mike Evans wouldn’t have left tom Brady 🤔
IMHO Mike Evans left Todd Bowles.
And then Brady left, Mike.
Apples & oranges.
I’m sure you’ll love the new Baker deal, eventually.
don't get it twisted, if Baker rebounds this season, i am all for bringing him back. The 4 year, $200M deal. Could be as high as $220M. or the extra year? gatzooks!
if he plays like he did the majority of last year though, it may just be best to clean house. After all, we'd have about 6 wins which would have us drafting in the top 10. a new offensive minded head coach and a package to trade up and land Arch Manning one might suggest?
as it sits today though, Baker needs to prove himself again...a situation he is familiar with you no doubt.
but go ahead and call me names as the Bucs brass doesn't extend him because the guy played himself out of a contract extension last season.
Could be that both Baker and the team want to see how this season plays out.
One would be more expensive than the other - but it doesn't necessarily mean we’re going to clean house.
As I’ve stated previously; I believe the Bucs know what they have in Baker, and Baker knows what is best for him and that the team has invested in building an offense around a competent, quality starter. I’d assume Baker is in negotiations, control rests with his decision on how best to move forward.
As has been pointed out, if the team begins to tank and the decision is made to blow up the strategy they have invested in the past 2 to 3 years - why would he want to commit?
Then again, why would any of us fans think the team would invest in maintaining the offense & rebuilding the defense, yet expect the organization would be strategizing to blow it all up?
It could be a scenario you have in the back of your mind, but you kinda have to be approaching it as your guiding principle. It does not appear to be at this point.
But in all of this hashing about: I have to wonder if the genesis of this is weird debate isn’t just badabing deciding Baker isn’t a competent/quality starter, and would like to lose enough games to go get a bright new shiny QB in the “very deep” 2027 draft next season - and that he may want us to consider blowing it all up in order to start over, now?
Maybe?
im a baker bro as I was called back in 2023
i also put a lot of blame on him for the demise of the team last year. Wonder if Mike Evans even said goodbye to him?
Doesn’t mean I won’t be back on the bandwagon if he plays to his standards in 2026 season but yes given how the season ended (a majority of the season) doubt has been raised whether baker is the answer or not
Entering 2023 season on a 1 year, $4M deal and competing with Kyle Trask, the expectations for Baker Mayfield were not high.
The team was coming off the end of the Brady years, a disappointing year no doubt. As soon as they signed Baker i knew he was the starter but yet many on this board still had hopes for Trask and were even clamoring for him when the Bucs were sitting with a losing record late in the year. I knew Baker gave us the best chance to win. I was labeled a Baker bro.
The Bucs go on to win 5 out of the last 6 games with Baker throwing 11 touchdowns to 3 INTs in that span. Once the Bucs beat the Eagles in the playoffs led by Bakers 3 TDs.....the Kyle Trask chants were finally over and Buc Fans rejoiced as Baker is the future!
To this point in his 6 year career, the 2023 season was arguably his best season throwing for the most yards, most TDs, and second highest passer rating. He had 2 decent years in Cleveland where a Debatable Dan could argue (and some did BTW) but by all accounts, he resurrected his career.
Entering 2024 season, Baker signing a 3 year, $100M extension, we wanted to see what Baker can build off and boy did he not disappoint. Easily the best year of his career, 41 TDs, 4,500 yard yards, a passer rating in the 100s. He was a damn bargain at that 33.3M per year contact value. How could you not love yourself some Baker Mayfield!
So now entering the 2025 season, certainly expectations were higher than that of entering the 2023 season. It's only natural that a guy coming off a Hall of Fame type season would have the expectations raised.
He was playing at an MVP tyle level at 5-1 with 12 touchdowns and 1 INT. Then the Detroit prime time game happened and Baker looked to have reverted back to 2023. So it wasn't that 2023 was horrible as that performance earned him a contract extension; it's just the expectations were that he is now the 2024 guy and something happened, maybe it was Evan's injury, that made Baker regress.
He followed up the Detroit clunker with 152 yards in a Saints game that the defense carried. The stat line was good against NE with 3 TDs but then he didn't top 205 yards in 6 of the next 8 games. People want to hope that it was the Rams game injury but that was game 5 of the downward spiral. And i guess, i have a hard time blaming injury for interceptions. It just seems very convenient to blame "hurt". Baker had 382 rushing yards last year which was 22.5 yards per game. He had 166 yards rushing in the last 6 games or 27.5 yards per game. Why is this mad man running when hurt and how come with better stats?
i want nothing more than for Baker to come out dominating this year and i still have faith he can do it, but he needs to earn that trust back. This team can be a legit SB contender if Baker plays 2024/first 6 games of 2025 type level and if the defense can improve to top 10. I dont see defense improving to top 10, so if they improve to say top 15, then maybe we can win a playoff game or two with Baker returning to form. Either way, a good sight to see....but again, i am not banking on Baker returning to form until i see it happen in week 1 this year
Baker is under contract for the 2026 season. No real reason to sign him now.
and i just don't see many benefits to doing it now.
The obvious benefit to doing it now is bargain compared to future value, just like the obvious benefit to Mayfield of waiting is bigger payday if he plays well.
Both sides have risk and a tolerance for that risk. They intersect at some time and value and a deal gets done.
Thats sort of my point in raising the last thread. most freaked out at the idea that he could get $40 million per. He didnt and it would've been a relative deal anyway, based o. his play and the thing most seem to leave out the inflation of salaries.
and i just don't see many benefits to doing it now.
The obvious benefit to doing it now is bargain compared to future value, just like the obvious benefit to Mayfield of waiting is bigger payday if he plays well.
Both sides have risk and a tolerance for that risk. They intersect at some time and value and a deal gets done.
Thats sort of my point in raising the last thread. most freaked out at the idea that he could get $40 million per. He didnt and it would've been a relative deal anyway, based o. his play and the thing most seem to leave out the inflation of salaries.
another point is what is this bargain you speak of?
DH seems to think that Baker would sign for $45M per year
QBs who have recently sign with more than 50M per year - Prescott, Burrow, Allen, Love, Lawrence, Goff, Purdy, Herbert, Jackson, and Hurts
Why would Baker not point to the 2024 season and his first 6 games of the 2025 season and say, "Why not I" when comparing to the likes of Goff, Purdy, Love, Hurts, etc.
I don't think the ceiling for Baker's contract value is as high as you think it is. And quite frankly, we don't want to see the floor because that would mean he had a pedestrian 2026 season. If he plays like we all hope he plays, he is maxing at $55M per year. If he plays above average and better than the infamous last 11 games last year, but not quite 2024 levels, then he is at $50M per year.
If the Bucs, DH, and everyone else is at $45M currently, then yeah, no deal is getting done prior to the season playing out.
so it's $50M now, or potentially $50M a year from now, maybe $55M or at worst, likely $45M. The worst would mean he had an " ehh" 2026.
Baker is under contract for the 2026 season. No real reason to sign him now.
thank you. seems pretty obvious but i digress