he didnt even counter
the fact remains, the contract offer was so bad, they didnt counter
definitely YOUR truth
I laid all that out before
why didnt they counter? what is your truth, sorry i may have missed
i posted it somewhere else but even Mayfield refers to offers (plural) so unless you think the Bucs are negotiating against themselves they did counter, talk etc. The comment you're referring to was in June
and just like that . . .
"“They did go back and forth. Like Baker Mayfield and his camp did respond to the Buccaneers’ two-year offer with their own two-year proposal as well,” Garafolo told The Rich Eisen Show yesterday.
“So it’s not like they said, ‘We are adamantly opposed to a two-year extension.’ It’s just once those numbers started to go back and forth, they couldn’t get to an agreement on total money and guarantees.”
so DH has been saying $100M guaranteed...how much more could he want on a 2 year deal!
Well, I cant speak for DH but the point he was making to you is pretty spot on because its not like Mayfield would decline a 2 year $250 million fully guaranteed contract because he wanted a five year $50 million contract? Security is most in fully guaranteed funds, not in the time of the contract, particularly if the back end is voidable, obviously
And the point that I was making in the earlier "no counter" post was that there is always a big difference between public pronouncements by players and teama and what is actually happening in the background. Clearly they have been negotiating. Even Mayfield suggested as much, if you looked closely at the quotes.
yeah baker would have accepted a 2year, $250M deal. i agree. whats the point there?
Players can be unreasonable, make mistakes. Its not always the team. We all just saw the Vea deal work out with a compromise.
From my perspective, most here focus on the team when it comes to negotiations because they want the player and/or the best performance from the "happy" players, but if you just look at Licht's track record its just as likely that some (or all) of the fault for "no deal" lies with Mayfield. In fact, the Garafalo report almost confirms that because Garafalo was also the one who reported the "Baker unhappy" part earlier.
Mayfield's closest friend is Wirfs. Timing-wise, Mayfield's negotiations were progressing just like Wirfs. Wirfs and the Bucs agreed on an extension at the fifth training camp practice, not before training camp. Mayfield knows that. He's Wirf's best buddy.
But, he still put out his fake TC deadline? And then later the team came out with the "strong offer" comment. And now, a report that Mayfield's camp IS/WAS actually considering a 2 year deal (even as Mayfield was suggesting publicly it was about the term, love the city etc. He's never going to say "its because I want more money" lmao
So they have been negotiating, there were offers and counters etc, they just differ on $ AT THE MOMENT. And maybe Mayfield prematurely let loose his "all about ball" nonsense instead of just saying "it will all take care of itself" or "talk to may agent" etc. Players make mistakes, can be unreasonable too. IT USUALLY WORKS OUT.
The people that can't accept what Mayfield said are delusional and in denial. They are acting like women spinning their own stories in their head when Mayfield has been explicit with his contract demands.
Mayfield said contract length was an issue and he declined it on that basis.
If the Bucs come back with another 2 year deal after this season Mayfield is more likely to walk.
lol.
Vite Vea "demanded a trade" and then wouldn't even acknowledge that was true saying he's always wanted to be in Tampa
Mayfield would 1000% not care about 2 years if he was offered $250 million fully guaranteed. Come on man
cant get tied up in what players and the team are saying publicly.
right on cue . .
. . .todays Fab 5 talking about Vea but note the Mayfield reference:
"Vea’s trade request right before the start of training camp caught the team off guard and it was irritating. And annoying.
On the heels of not getting a contract extension done with Baker Mayfield – it was closer to being done than the quarterback indicated in his fiery press conference at the start of camp – a holdout by Vea was the last thing the Bucs needed."
The people that can't accept what Mayfield said are delusional and in denial. They are acting like women spinning their own stories in their head when Mayfield has been explicit with his contract demands.
Mayfield said contract length was an issue and he declined it on that basis.
If the Bucs come back with another 2 year deal after this season Mayfield is more likely to walk.
thanks for living in reality my friend!
brace for personal insults by Debatable Debbie over here
The people that can't accept what Mayfield said are delusional and in denial. They are acting like women spinning their own stories in their head when Mayfield has been explicit with his contract demands.
Mayfield said contract length was an issue and he declined it on that basis.
If the Bucs come back with another 2 year deal after this season Mayfield is more likely to walk.
lol.
Vite Vea "demanded a trade" and then wouldn't even acknowledge that was true saying he's always wanted to be in Tampa
Mayfield would 1000% not care about 2 years if he was offered $250 million fully guaranteed. Come on man
cant get tied up in what players and the team are saying publicly.
he was offered 2 years, $250M?
let's have a little hypothetical for you
what contract would you choose
2 years, $100M, $100M guaranteed (still waiting on that link)
5 years, $275M, $100M guarenteed
Note that you are aging past your prime as a QB and you are 31, not 24 and there's no guarantee you don't regress with age (you know like everyone does)
It's a rhetorical question as you and Debatable Debbie dance around the obvious.
right on cue . .
. . .todays Fab 5 talking about Vea but note the Mayfield reference:
"Vea’s trade request right before the start of training camp caught the team off guard and it was irritating. And annoying.
On the heels of not getting a contract extension done with Baker Mayfield – it was closer to being done than the quarterback indicated in his fiery press conference at the start of camp – a holdout by Vea was the last thing the Bucs needed."
is this the same reporting organization that said, "Wait Todd Bowles isn't safe just yet"
i still dont know if they confirmed if Bowles is back for 2026....
would like to see some links and figures to the actual offer. Everywhere on the internet, says 2 years $100M, or just under that with no comments around guaranteed money. Maybe Donkey Hunter got a "interesting text" from a friend that confirmed the contract offer...
Everywhere on the internet, says 2 years $100M, or just under that with no comments around guaranteed money. Maybe Donkey Hunter got a "interesting text" from a friend that confirmed the contract offer...
Do I need to reference the Fowler tweet/article for the umpteenth time, or do you need to ChatGPT it like the subservient little bitch you are (that is, unless you don’t like the answer, in which you’ll completely change the topic/move the goalposts/create new strawmen/etc.)
right on cue . .
. . .todays Fab 5 talking about Vea but note the Mayfield reference:
"Vea’s trade request right before the start of training camp caught the team off guard and it was irritating. And annoying.
On the heels of not getting a contract extension done with Baker Mayfield – it was closer to being done than the quarterback indicated in his fiery press conference at the start of camp – a holdout by Vea was the last thing the Bucs needed."
is this the same reporting organization that said, "Wait Todd Bowles isn't safe just yet"
i still dont know if they confirmed if Bowles is back for 2026....
would like to see some links and figures to the actual offer. Everywhere on the internet, says 2 years $100M, or just under that with no comments around guaranteed money. Maybe Donkey Hunter got a "interesting text" from a friend that confirmed the contract offer...
Badabing . . . come back to the light. You're turning into Biggs. Biggs is the master of posting something that turns out to be incorrect but then rather than just acknowledging that and moving on he doubles down with nonsense.
Dont do that lmao. Come back to the light!!
Your story on here for weeks was that Bucs were like YOU. As your Biggs-endorsed (first sign of problems lol) story went . . the Bucs saw Mayfield's performance over the last 11 weeks of 2025 and decided to make him prove his worth in 2026 by only offering him a lowball deal that his side never even countered.
Multiple reports and quotes from Mayfield himself have always proven that to be a completely missed take. Youve just ignored them?
Come on now . . admit it. The Bucs have not only been negotiating with Mayfield, they have reportedly (multiple sources, including the one you rely on for Mayfield being pissed lmao) been much closer than people on the outisde thought, based on Mayfield's public commentary.
Come on. At least come back to the light a little? You can admit that, right?
You can still say that the difference in VALUE may relate to the "last 11 weeks of 2025" but you cant say the Bucs are trying to making Mayfiled play out his deal because of the last 11 weeks of 2025.
right?
Just my opinion, but I think the Bucs want to see if Baker is the first half of 2025 or the second half of 2025. If Baker plays well during the first 2/3's of this season, I believe the Bucs will offer a multi-year contract to meet Bakers desires by Christmas.
Just my opinion, but I think the Bucs want to see if Baker is the first half of 2025 or the second half of 2025. If Baker plays well during the first 2/3's of this season, I believe the Bucs will offer a multi-year contract to meet Bakers desires by Christmas.
Exactly. Do the Bucs have Baker Mayfield, or do they have Gus Swayze?
Just my opinion, but I think the Bucs want to see if Baker is the first half of 2025 or the second half of 2025. If Baker plays well during the first 2/3's of this season, I believe the Bucs will offer a multi-year contract to meet Bakers desires by Christmas.
I agree with the first part. I do think he had injuries that slowed him down but my questions about him revolve around more of that than it does about his overall play. As mentioned he has pretty good numbers. Especially in wins and we saw him will the team to wins so you have to consider that. That's where I side with baker.
But the interceptions and injuries are a question that needs to be answered before giving him a lot. The bruising style can be tough to sustain for a long time. That's where I agree with the bucs.
Also have to consider where the team is as a roster and direction of the team overall before making commitments too. Which team shows up? If they suck then it's not a bad idea to make some decisions about the roster and start over at the top and see what that means. It could still mean that we just need some changes at the top and could continue to roll a competitive roster and that includes baker. I think we just don't have a difinitive answer about that right now.
Just my opinion, but I think the Bucs want to see if Baker is the first half of 2025 or the second half of 2025. If Baker plays well during the first 2/3's of this season, I believe the Bucs will offer a multi-year contract to meet Bakers desires by Christmas.
be careful, you might get attacked for sensible opinions like that. The Bucs just offered Baker the best contract in NFL history....and he declined..
right on cue . .
. . .todays Fab 5 talking about Vea but note the Mayfield reference:
"Vea’s trade request right before the start of training camp caught the team off guard and it was irritating. And annoying.
On the heels of not getting a contract extension done with Baker Mayfield – it was closer to being done than the quarterback indicated in his fiery press conference at the start of camp – a holdout by Vea was the last thing the Bucs needed."
is this the same reporting organization that said, "Wait Todd Bowles isn't safe just yet"
i still dont know if they confirmed if Bowles is back for 2026....
would like to see some links and figures to the actual offer. Everywhere on the internet, says 2 years $100M, or just under that with no comments around guaranteed money. Maybe Donkey Hunter got a "interesting text" from a friend that confirmed the contract offer...
Badabing . . . come back to the light. You're turning into Biggs. Biggs is the master of posting something that turns out to be incorrect but then rather than just acknowledging that and moving on he doubles down with nonsense.
Dont do that lmao. Come back to the light!!
Your story on here for weeks was that Bucs were like YOU. As your Biggs-endorsed (first sign of problems lol) story went . . the Bucs saw Mayfield's performance over the last 11 weeks of 2025 and decided to make him prove his worth in 2026 by only offering him a lowball deal that his side never even countered.
Multiple reports and quotes from Mayfield himself have always proven that to be a completely missed take. Youve just ignored them?
Come on now . . admit it. The Bucs have not only been negotiating with Mayfield, they have reportedly (multiple sources, including the one you rely on for Mayfield being pissed lmao) been much closer than people on the outisde thought, based on Mayfield's public commentary.
Come on. At least come back to the light a little? You can admit that, right?
You can still say that the difference in VALUE may relate to the "last 11 weeks of 2025" but you cant say the Bucs are trying to making Mayfiled play out his deal because of the last 11 weeks of 2025.
right?
i got to be honest, i didn't think a 2 year deal was even a thought when i said the Bucs were like me. That to me is a slap in the face to Baker
to me, this deal was always going to be a 4 or 5 year deal or we were going to let him walk. still feel that way...except depending on Bakers play in 2026, maybe he accepts a 3 year deal.
don't see anyway he accepts a 2 year deal except for your "ludacris" never happening 2 year, $250M deal.
it seems some others agree with me here...good to see with the season approaching more like minded posters joining this board :)
Everywhere on the internet, says 2 years $100M, or just under that with no comments around guaranteed money. Maybe Donkey Hunter got a "interesting text" from a friend that confirmed the contract offer...
Do I need to reference the Fowler tweet/article for the umpteenth time, or do you need to ChatGPT it like the subservient little bitch you are (that is, unless you don’t like the answer, in which you’ll completely change the topic/move the goalposts/create new strawmen/etc.)
woah settle down with the internet tough guy insults. Why are you so upset because one doesn't agree with your opinion? Would have taken you for a cultish left liberal with that mindset rather than a boot licking squirrel shootin rootin tootin republican.
July 30th - Baker Mayfield tells ESPN the Bucs offered him a two-year deal, which was ‘probably the most disappointing’ part. Wanted long-term commitment. Added Bucs were ‘pretty far’ from $50+M per club, which he wanted to enter.
this was a tweet from July 30th.
an article from August 18th
When asked about being among the top 10 or in the $50-plus-million-per-year club, Mayfield told ESPN's Jeremy Fowler he "needed to be put in that category" and the Bucs were "pretty far" from it. He was also unhappy with just a two-year offer despite being told privately and publicly by the team that they see him as their "franchise quarterback." And the timeline of events frustrated him.
woah settle down with the internet tough guy insults. Why are you so upset because one doesn't agree with your opinion? Would have taken you for a cultish left liberal with that mindset rather than a boot licking squirrel shootin rootin tootin republican.
Kiddo, you haven’t upset me at all. It’s actually been great entertainment watching you flip-flop all over the place and being damn near wrong on every theory you’ve put out there.
Its actually quite impressive.
July 30th - Baker Mayfield tells ESPN the Bucs offered him a two-year deal, which was ‘probably the most disappointing’ part. Wanted long-term commitment. Added Bucs were ‘pretty far’ from $50+M per club, which he wanted to enter.
this was a tweet from July 30th.
an article from August 18th
When asked about being among the top 10 or in the $50-plus-million-per-year club, Mayfield told ESPN's Jeremy Fowler he "needed to be put in that category" and the Bucs were "pretty far" from it. He was also unhappy with just a two-year offer despite being told privately and publicly by the team that they see him as their "franchise quarterback." And the timeline of events frustrated him.
Awesome.
So, he wants a longer deal and longer commitment.
Cool story.
Now, be a good little corporate cuck, and go get your boss some coffee.
