clearly they think their EXISTING roster when healthy is much better than 2025 second half of the season.
On this point, the second half of the season seemed to me (in real time) to be a mostly defensive collapse BUT its just as likely the Bucs see the end of 2025 as mostly an offensive collapse attributed to an OC, Mayfield injury, a revolving door on the O-line, no run game etc.
IF they do see it that way (and there is statistical support for that view) then its even easier to see why they might think they just need better health and OC to improve, even with the loss of Evans. The 2025 offense was almost a TD per game off the 2024 offense so they probably think the 2026 offense should be more like 2024 than 2025. the 2025. The 2025 Bucs probably win 3 or 4 more games, especially down the stretch, with the offense closer to 2024 production.
“And again, everybody has injuries, but I think we had some significant challenges we had to deal with last year. It was unfortunate down the stretch – frustrating down the stretch…”
Funny, considering the healthier we got, the worse we were.
But, hey, “nObOdY wAnTs tO wIn mOrE tHaN tOdD”
12-5 with a SB appearance, fellas.
Super stoked.
Funny, considering the healthier we got, the worse we were.
Mayfield was injured in the Rams game
Before the Rams game his average rating was 98.2
His average rating from the injury game (Rams) through the close of the season was 77.6
Funny, considering the healthier we got, the worse we were.
Mayfield was injured in the Rams game
Before the Rams game his average rating was 98.2
His average rating from the injury game (Rams) through the close of the season was 77.6
Good thing they rolled him out there to throw a hail mary before the end of the half!!
Funny, considering the healthier we got, the worse we were.
Mayfield was injured in the Rams game
Before the Rams game his average rating was 98.2
His average rating from the injury game (Rams) through the close of the season was 77.6
Good thing they rolled him out there to throw a hail mary before the end of the half!!
Exactly!
We were extremely fortunate to have the genius HC heavily involved in the offense last year.
Paid massive dividends.
Licht put an absolute BULLSHIT offensive line out there all year and of course you find a way to blame Bowles
clearly they think their EXISTING roster when healthy is much better than 2025 second half of the season.
On this point, the second half of the season seemed to me (in real time) to be a mostly defensive collapse BUT its just as likely the Bucs see the end of 2025 as mostly an offensive collapse attributed to an OC, Mayfield injury, a revolving door on the O-line, no run game etc.
IF they do see it that way (and there is statistical support for that view) then its even easier to see why they might think they just need better health and OC to improve, even with the loss of Evans. The 2025 offense was almost a TD per game off the 2024 offense so they probably think the 2026 offense should be more like 2024 than 2025. the 2025. The 2025 Bucs probably win 3 or 4 more games, especially down the stretch, with the offense closer to 2024 production.
defense was ass and lost the falcons game but also won the panthers game
to me as bad as the defense was, it was the offense that shit the bed second half of season
we better hope Robinson has some magic in him as the offense without Evans is a worse
Funny, considering the healthier we got, the worse we were.
Mayfield was injured in the Rams game
Before the Rams game his average rating was 98.2
His average rating from the injury game (Rams) through the close of the season was 77.6
Good thing they rolled him out there to throw a hail mary before the end of the half!!
Yep I think that is the play, as I recall.
Either way though the Bucs are getting offensive players back later in the season so I get that part of DH's point, but the guy who is charged with delivering the ball to them is playing substantially worse as the season closes. It seems like that was because of injury, certainly at least in part.
And guys coming back does not = guys playing well. Goedeke has been a rock on the line for most of his career, he came back from injury but then played a huge part in the critical loss to Carolina. I think he had three or maybe 4 killer penalties?
to me as bad as the defense was, it was the offense that shit the bed second half of season
So again, not sayin the Bucs are correct to feel this way, but it is statistically true that Mayfield's play declined after the injury in the Rams game so you could see why the Bucs might think that all they need is a new OC, better health on offense and plugging a few holes on defense.
Down the stretch the Bucs lost to the Saints by 4, the Falcons by 1, the Panthers by 3 and the Dolphins by 3. With the exception of the Falcons game the offense never scored more than 20 points in any of these games.
The Falcons game obviously has the epic 3rd and 28 fiasco but right before that Mayfield misses Egbuka for a 1st down that probably ends the game
The Saints loss may have been Mayfield's worst game though. He threw a deep pick on 2nd and 1 and as I recall the Buc offense tuned it over on downs multiple times
The injuries to the o-line, and his own, resultant, mounting injuries, are the reason for Baker’s poor play in the 2nd half of the season. Not concerned that he is declining, he was just beaten to a pulp in starting in Detroit, and he was never healthy afterwards, the re-injury of his non-throwing shoulder finished it.
But he won several warm games, largely on his own merit & sheer will & determination.
None of his injuries were seemingly (permanently) structural, but they were limiting. It is the reason I’m ok with adding an eventual, significant, upgrade at IoL this draft in the 1st round, if we don’t trade, or mnage a trade down. Even if either/both occur, I’m expecting a mid-round pick to be IoL.
The injuries to the o-line, and his own, resultant, mounting injuries, are the reason for Baker’s poor play in the 2nd half of the season. Not concerned that he is declining, he was just beaten to a pulp in starting in Detroit, and he was never healthy afterwards, the re-injury of his non-throwing shoulder finished it.
But he won several warm games, largely on his own merit & sheer will & determination.
None of his injuries were seemingly (permanently) structural, but they were limiting. It is the reason I’m ok with adding an eventual, significant, upgrade at IoL this draft in the 1st round, if we don’t trade, or mnage a trade down. Even if either/both occur, I’m expecting a mid-round pick to be IoL.
this seems basic common sense to me
Its no guarantee that Mayfield is a solution or even worth the $ but to see 2025 as a reason to doubt Mayfield seems odd. Hopefully he is the least of the Bucs problems, lets just get him some decent run game and line play.
The injuries to the o-line, and his own, resultant, mounting injuries, are the reason for Baker’s poor play in the 2nd half of the season. Not concerned that he is declining, he was just beaten to a pulp in starting in Detroit, and he was never healthy afterwards, the re-injury of his non-throwing shoulder finished it.
But he won several warm games, largely on his own merit & sheer will & determination.
None of his injuries were seemingly (permanently) structural, but they were limiting. It is the reason I’m ok with adding an eventual, significant, upgrade at IoL this draft in the 1st round, if we don’t trade, or mnage a trade down. Even if either/both occur, I’m expecting a mid-round pick to be IoL.
this seems basic common sense to me
Its no guarantee that Mayfield is a solution or even worth the $ but to see 2025 as a reason to doubt Mayfield seems odd. Hopefully he is the least of the Bucs problems, lets just get him some decent run game and line play.
if you take the blinders off....2025 is every reason to doubt Baker Mayfield.
he had some costly bone headed turnovers that makes you question if that was injury related or just poor decision making.
dude suffered a low-grade shoulder sprain on his non throwing shoulder. Certainly will have some impact but was healthy enough to play
Do you not think Mike Evans himself questioned Baker's ability after the 2025 season? Sure, we can blame Todd Bowles and i most certainly will....but Evans sprinting out of here had a little to do with Baker as well.
The injuries to the o-line, and his own, resultant, mounting injuries, are the reason for Baker’s poor play in the 2nd half of the season. Not concerned that he is declining, he was just beaten to a pulp in starting in Detroit, and he was never healthy afterwards, the re-injury of his non-throwing shoulder finished it.
But he won several warm games, largely on his own merit & sheer will & determination.
None of his injuries were seemingly (permanently) structural, but they were limiting. It is the reason I’m ok with adding an eventual, significant, upgrade at IoL this draft in the 1st round, if we don’t trade, or mnage a trade down. Even if either/both occur, I’m expecting a mid-round pick to be IoL.
this seems basic common sense to me
Its no guarantee that Mayfield is a solution or even worth the $ but to see 2025 as a reason to doubt Mayfield seems odd. Hopefully he is the least of the Bucs problems, lets just get him some decent run game and line play.
if you take the blinders off....2025 is every reason to doubt Baker Mayfield.
he had some costly bone headed turnovers that makes you question if that was injury related or just poor decision making.
dude suffered a low-grade shoulder sprain on his non throwing shoulder. Certainly will have some impact but was healthy enough to play
Do you not think Mike Evans himself questioned Baker's ability after the 2025 season? Sure, we can blame Todd Bowles and i most certainly will....but Evans sprinting out of here had a little to do with Baker as well.
I dont see it that way at all, but you could be right about all of that.
I don't think its "blinders" to note a statistical drop off that matches with the Rams game injury or to see a decimated O-line and I think that all QBs make turnovers/missed throws when they press.
The hallmark of the 2024 offense was a GREAT run game and short passing. The 2025 season was most often no real run game and often momentum/drive killing LONGER passing.
One is a recipe for QB success (2024), the other (2025) often failure. Add in injury to the entire line and the QB himself.
Evans sprinting out of here had a little to do with Baker as well.
Sure and all the things that the 49ers opportunity provides to him at this stage in his career
Sure, we can blame Todd Bowles and i most certainly will....but Evans sprinting out of here had a little to do with Baker as well.
Or, he saw a team with a SUPERIOR head coach, OC, DC, etc.
A team that gives him a better chance at another ring, despite playing in a VASTLY more difficult division.