Allen is the superior prospect. It's that simple.
Rodriguez was gone. Allen was there. We reached... He might not have been there with our third round pick but it's still a reach.
I’m pretty sure they watched more tape of both Trotter and Allen than you did. In their eyes, with the innumerable hours of study from the front office and coaches, Trotter fit their vision for the Mike backer and a tone setter on D better than Allen. They viewed him as worthy of a 2nd rounder. So, you think that your opinion on the player based on research that pales in comparison to theirs both in volume and depth, is more valid than theirs. Laughable.
So, no, it’s not actually that simple that "Allen is the superior prospect.” It’s just an opinion based on reading some shyte on the internet.
Allen is the superior prospect. It's that simple.
Rodriguez was gone. Allen was there. We reached... He might not have been there with our third round pick but it's still a reach.
I’m pretty sure they watched more tape of both Trotter and Allen than you did. In their eyes, with the innumerable hours of study from the front office and coaches, Trotter fit their vision for the Mike backer and a tone setter on D better than Allen. They viewed him as worthy of a 2nd rounder. So, you think that your opinion on the player based on research that pales in comparison to theirs both in volume and depth, is more valid than theirs. Laughable.
So, no, it’s not actually that simple that "Allen is the superior prospect.” It’s just an opinion based on reading some shyte on the internet.
I would hope that the people in charge of the draft have watched more film than me... That doesn't mean their evaluation of the tape is good or accurate.
By this logic, every draft pick is a good pick because the person selecting that pick has watched more tape than you or me.
I'm sure the Colts watched more film than me on Anthony Richardson. I said he was a guaranteed bust and baring some miracle in his second stint, he's clearly a bust.
I watched his tape but certainly not as much as the Colts did..why did I get it right an an amateur but the pros whiffed?
Allen is the superior prospect. It's that simple.
Rodriguez was gone. Allen was there. We reached... He might not have been there with our third round pick but it's still a reach.
I’m pretty sure they watched more tape of both Trotter and Allen than you did. In their eyes, with the innumerable hours of study from the front office and coaches, Trotter fit their vision for the Mike backer and a tone setter on D better than Allen. They viewed him as worthy of a 2nd rounder. So, you think that your opinion on the player based on research that pales in comparison to theirs both in volume and depth, is more valid than theirs. Laughable.
So, no, it’s not actually that simple that "Allen is the superior prospect.” It’s just an opinion based on reading some shyte on the internet.
I would hope that the people in charge of the draft have watched more film than me... That doesn't mean their evaluation of the tape is good or accurate.
By this logic, every draft pick is a good pick because the person selecting that pick has watched more tape than you or me.
I'm sure the Colts watched more film than me on Anthony Richardson. I said he was a guaranteed bust and baring some miracle in his second stint, he's clearly a bust.
I watched his tape but certainly not as much as the Colts did..why did I get it right an an amateur but the pros whiffed?
Everyone could see Richardson had a high potential for being a bust… Colts took a bet on the physical talents.
In the case of Trotter, he’s not a projection. What he’s already done in college will translate well to playing Mike in the the Bucs D. If they were just throwing shit up against the wall, betting on something they haven’t already seen him do, I’d say there’s reason for criticism. One thing the Bucs front office does well is knowing where guys fit in their schemes. Trotter’s style of play is what they wanted more than whatever CJ Allen had to offer.
By this logic, every draft pick is a good pick because the person selecting that pick has watched more tape than you or me.
No, it means only that "the person selecting that pick" is substantially more informed (experience, interviews, tape etc) than any poster here.
Still plenty of reasons picks go wrong. And that is ONE reason its always easier to be on the negative side of draft picks, statistically speaking. Another is that i s the long list of available criticisms. The criticism of Trotter has ranged from "terrible player" to "good but they took him too early."
Everyone's entitled.
ON THE AGE THING, I doubt many watch SR's video (I posted the link), but it is interesting in that Trotter is statistically superior to most of the alternative LBs discussed here when you match them up by where they are in their development. Stats can be misleading, but still its something.
They viewed him as worthy of a 2nd rounder. So, you think that your opinion on the player based on research that pales in comparison to theirs both in volume and depth, is more valid than theirs. Laughable.
So, no, it’s not actually that simple that "Allen is the superior prospect.” It’s just an opinion based on reading some shyte on the internet.
Now, do Devin White vs. Josh Allen.
Tampa will be back to being a defensive team. We should all be excited about that.
Tampa will be back to being a defensive team. We should all be excited about that.
No, they won’t.
If anything, they’ll be closer to the ‘24 unit.
Which was carried by Coen and the offense.
Just need the defense to be average.
ON THE AGE THING, I doubt many watch SR's video (I posted the link), but it is interesting in that Trotter is statistically superior to most of the alternative LBs discussed here when you match them up by where they are in their development. Stats can be misleading, but still its something.
Sure, it's a nice cherry-picked stats comparison by SR (who might be the worst talent evaluator amongst the local media talking heads).
But, again, it's them grading a prospect higher on POTENTIAL versus PROVEN PRODUCTION.
So, not only did they reach on need, they reached on an inferior player.
grading a prospect higher on POTENTIAL versus PROVEN PRODUCTION
Yes, agree and this is what I found to be surprising especially because "production" was one of their buzzwords.
Will be a long time though before we actually know if he is an "inferior player" in the NFL. Certainly hope not. He's definitely a Bowles pick.
Allen is the superior prospect. It's that simple.
Rodriguez was gone. Allen was there. We reached... He might not have been there with our third round pick but it's still a reach.
I’m pretty sure they watched more tape of both Trotter and Allen than you did. In their eyes, with the innumerable hours of study from the front office and coaches, Trotter fit their vision for the Mike backer and a tone setter on D better than Allen. They viewed him as worthy of a 2nd rounder. So, you think that your opinion on the player based on research that pales in comparison to theirs both in volume and depth, is more valid than theirs. Laughable.
So, no, it’s not actually that simple that "Allen is the superior prospect.” It’s just an opinion based on reading some shyte on the internet.
There is a subset of posters that have been saying stuff like this since Bruce Allen and Mark Dominik. The paid professionals screw this stuff up all of the time.
Hell, this GM and HC haven’t got the MLB position right for 7+ years. They fucked it up with a top five pick. Maybe they will finally blind-squirrel this thing.
By this logic, every draft pick is a good pick because the person selecting that pick has watched more tape than you or me.
No, it means only that "the person selecting that pick" is substantially more informed (experience, interviews, tape etc) than any poster here.
Still plenty of reasons picks go wrong. And that is ONE reason its always easier to be on the negative side of draft picks, statistically speaking. Another is that i s the long list of available criticisms. The criticism of Trotter has ranged from "terrible player" to "good but they took him too early."
Everyone's entitled.
ON THE AGE THING, I doubt many watch SR's video (I posted the link), but it is interesting in that Trotter is statistically superior to most of the alternative LBs discussed here when you match them up by where they are in their development. Stats can be misleading, but still its something.
They can be as informed as they like it doesn't mean they are evaluating the data properly.
It makes it even worse that this is their profession, they have these resources, they have the experience, and they still repeatedly shit the bed.
I don't expect every pick to be correct, and for all we know Trotter is the best LB (some of the tape does look good attacking the LOS), but when you reach and/or don't take consensus "better" talent (Allen was projected as high as 20) then they have to own that massive miss.
Taking Roberto Aguayo in the 6th round isn't a big deal. Reaching on him to take him in the 2nd round is a big deal.
You can mis-evaluate the talent but minimize the negative impact if you don't constantly expose your board to reaching.
Allen is the superior prospect. It's that simple.
Rodriguez was gone. Allen was there. We reached... He might not have been there with our third round pick but it's still a reach.
I’m pretty sure they watched more tape of both Trotter and Allen than you did. In their eyes, with the innumerable hours of study from the front office and coaches, Trotter fit their vision for the Mike backer and a tone setter on D better than Allen. They viewed him as worthy of a 2nd rounder. So, you think that your opinion on the player based on research that pales in comparison to theirs both in volume and depth, is more valid than theirs. Laughable.
So, no, it’s not actually that simple that "Allen is the superior prospect.” It’s just an opinion based on reading some shyte on the internet.
There is a subset of posters that have been saying stuff like this since Bruce Allen and Mark Dominik. The paid professionals screw this stuff up all of the time.
Hell, this GM and HC haven’t got the MLB position right for 7+ years. They fucked it up with a top five pick. Maybe they will finally blind-squirrel this thing.
So many professionals are not where they are based on merit. We live in a world of networking, nepotism, and group think.
There's a reason idiot CEOs make movies that flop, or run companies into the ground, or draft like the Jets, or Leftwich after Brady left, or whatever...
Just because someone is a decision maker for a business doesn't mean they got there based on merit. Sometimes they did, sometimes they didn't. Sometimes they fail upward.
The director that shit the bed on X-Men 3 the Phoenix was allowed again the make X-Men 3 the Phoenix and both times shit the bed.
The point is, assuming people who make decisions are inherently right because they make those decisions is silly.
So many professionals are not where they are based on merit.
Licht certainly is/was, right?
Hell, this GM and HC haven’t got the MLB position right for 7+ years.
They won a super Bowl with their MLB pick as a huge contributor lmao.
They can be as informed as they like it doesn't mean they are evaluating the data properly.
"They" have a Super Bowl and division championships to say they are. Multiple good players drafted.
Someone like Licht has an actual track record of drafting and free agent success as a GM. Is it imperfect, yes? But his actual experience and his access to data so greatly exceeds anyone here that he has to deserve the benefit of doubt, at a minimum? I mean, logically speaking, if it is wrong to take Seabucs position then how wrong is it to take my position or your position or Biggs' position OVER Licht? lol. Collectively, we are wrong way more than right and we dont have access to half the data or experience.
Maybe its basic common sense to give Licht at least the benefit of doubt?
And yet it is a CERTAINTY that this draft was "bad" because it is a "certainty" that two picks were a reach (?). .. because thats what the Consensus Big Board says . . . oops wait, thats what Matt Miller says
Is Matt Miller someone you tend to trust or agree with?
I would say he's no better or worse than any of the pundits. Like anybody else, he gets stuff wrong.
They won a super Bowl with their MLB pick as a huge contributor lmao.
He was a liability that entire season when he wasn’t getting unblocked, free lanes at the QB.
THANK GOD we had another ELITE linebacker (something White never was at any point in his career) to bail his ass out every week.
FWIW
https://www.pewterreport.com/josiah-trotter-bucs-hard-truth-pewter-pulse/
No shortage of talking heads with podcasts that are mostly wrong most of the time
This is how SR answered a question in the mailbag today. The question was about the use of dime packgae more now that we drafted Scott.
Is SR right or wrong about WHY the Bucs might have drafted Trotter?
"The reason why the Bucs ran less nickel last year – and also less dime – was because they were in base personnel more often due to the league-wide trend of teams deploying more 12 (two tight ends) and 13 (three tight ends) personnel packages. If that trend continues in 2026, there won’t be much of an increase in dime usage because that would create a huge size disadvantage that would favor opposing offenses."
I think that’s why Bowles and general manager Jason Licht drafted a bigger middle linebacker like Missouri’s Josiah Trotter, who is 240 pounds. Trotter can help combat an expected increase in usage of 12 and 13 personnel in 2026 because he is a stack-and-shed linebacker who is big enough and physical enough to take on offensive linemen at the second level."
Recall that the offseason was about getting BIGGER and meaner and better against THE RUN