Someone like Licht has an actual track record of drafting and free agent success as a GM.
He's had longer than any GM typically gets by a long shot.
He's earned the praise and the criticism and unfortunately for him it's a what have you done for me lately business.
White's playoff run was amazing.
The divisional round against NOLA was his one great game and a complete outlier when compared to the entirety of his career.
come on lol
In the Super Bowl he led the team in tackles (12) and that included 2 tackles for a loss. He had an INT, I thought?
In the NFC championship he led the team in tackles and had a key fumble recovery.
That division game was a key stumbling block. Drew Brees. White led the team in tackles, including a TFL. He had an INT and Fumble recovery
This is from Scott Smith:
The Buccaneers' rising-star inside linebacker was on the reserve/COVID-19 list when Tampa Bay started the 2020 playoffs with a Wild Card win in Washington, but he managed to make up for lost time in a big way. White not only led the team with 38 tackles (12 more than the next man on the list, Lavonte David), but also added two interceptions and two fumble recoveries. In each of his three playoff appearances he either tied or broke the Buccaneers' previous record for most tackles in a single postseason game. That included his team-leading 12 tackles in Super Bowl LV.
That gave White a total of 38 stops in three games. League-wide tackle totals are available beginning with the 1987 season, and in the 34 postseasons that covers, only two players have ever recorded more tackles in a single playoff run.
White is the first linebacker since Pittsburgh's Ryan Shazier in 2016 to have multiple interceptions in a single postseason. He is the first linebacker to have multiple fumble recoveries in a single postseason since Atlanta's LaRoy Reynolds in 2017. He is the first player at any position since Green Bay's Tramon Williams in 2010 to have multiple interceptions and multiple fumble recoveries in a single season. Only six defenders have accomplished that feat, including just three linebackers.
Since tackle totals became available in 1987, White is the only player to record 30-plus tackles, two-plus interceptions and two-plus fumble recoveries in a single postseason.
He found his retard strength for that playoff stretch... And God bless him for it.
Then he lost the strength and just became retarded.
But for that brief moment he looked every bit the part we drafted.
He found his retard strength for that playoff stretch... And God bless him for it.
Then he lost the strength and just became retarded.
But for that brief moment he looked every bit the part we drafted.
lmao. I think White was a clown too, but him being a clown doesnt erase his stats.
In the 2020 season he is probably top 5 in tackles (140) and same in TFLs (15) and throw in 9 sacks on top of that. This is why 50 "simps" voted him 2nd team All pro that season. And if the argument is they are not credible "simps" (LMAO) then that is discrediting LVD because they made him and 2nd team all pro too and the guys were right next to each other.
He then turned that tremendous regular season performance - even by Barrett Rudd standards! - into a great playoff run.
Red Board Bucs fans:
Its okay to say White played well in 2020. The stats (Biggs says stats are truth, right?) back it up and no one is going to come take your PFF Certificate of Merit just because you admit the sun rises in the east.
He found his retard strength for that playoff stretch... And God bless him for it.
Then he lost the strength and just became retarded.
But for that brief moment he looked every bit the part we drafted.
lmao. I think White was a clown too, but him being a clown doesnt erase his stats.
In the 2020 season he is probably top 5 in tackles (140) and same in TFLs (15) and throw in 9 sacks on top of that. This is why 50 "simps" voted him 2nd team All pro that season. And if the argument is they are not credible "simps" (LMAO) then that is discrediting LVD because they made him and 2nd team all pro too and the guys were right next to each other.
He then turned that tremendous regular season performance - even by Barrett Rudd standards! - into a great playoff run.
Red Board Bucs fans:
Its okay to say White played well in 2020. The stats (Biggs says stats are truth, right?) back it up and no one is going to come take your PFF Certificate of Merit just because you admit the sun rises in the east.
obviously joking BUT the kernel of truth that makes that joke resonate is that its very likely that Trotter gets the exact same treatment on the Red Board as White, absent some truly incredible sustained performance for multiple seasons
That kind of treatment is likely because of WHEN he was drafted and who he was drafted instead of . . even though Trotter has ZERO control over that.
Trotter is here now and he's a Buccaneer.
I want him to be a perennial All-Pro.
I didn't agree with his draft position at all but I am hoping he sets the standard for linebackers and leads this defense into the next generation.
Yes, I have only said that you can see the parallel that Bowles might make given White's 2019-2020 performance.
You'll have to excuse me that I don't share the same giddy enthusiasm that you do regarding our HC's ability to effectively evaluate LB talent.
I mean, after all, he's the same guy who claimed that White was the "2nd best player on defense" during his last season with us.
This is why 50 "simps" voted him 2nd team All pro that season.
Again, you've been given multiple examples of players getting All Pro nods that don't deserve them.
It's literally turning into the Pro Bowl.
And again, this is the same group that voted in Kuechly as the DPOY in 2013, while Lavonte (who had a superior season) didn't get a single vote.
Red Board Bucs fans:
Its okay to say White played well in 2020. The stats (Biggs says stats are truth, right?) back it up and no one is going to come take your PFF Certificate of Merit just because you admit the sun rises in the east.
The irony:
The "greatness" of Devin White in 2020:
Overall Grade - 43.4 (ranked 79th out of 90 LB's)
Run Defense Grade - 41.0 (74th out of 90 LB's)
Pass Rush Grade - 85.9 (2nd out of 90 LB's)
Pass Coverage Grade - 39.8 😂 (81st out of 90 LB's)
its very likely that Trotter gets the exact same treatment on the Red Board as White, absent some truly incredible sustained performance for multiple seasons
That kind of treatment is likely because of WHEN he was drafted and who he was drafted instead of . . even though Trotter has ZERO control over that.
White got the treatment that he did because he was a trash player with a trash attitude.
Hopefully, Trotter isn't the bust that Devin was.
Actually, I agree with this. White showed he could do what was asked of him/his position in what Bowles drafted him to play…he either couldn’t do it, or he wouldn’t do it…and he developed an attitude that cost him.its very likely that Trotter gets the exact same treatment on the Red Board as White, absent some truly incredible sustained performance for multiple seasons
That kind of treatment is likely because of WHEN he was drafted and who he was drafted instead of . . even though Trotter has ZERO control over that.
White got the treatment that he did because he was a trash player with a trash attitude.
Hopefully, Trotter isn't the bust that Devin was.
White did that.
I think the only reason Trotter is involved in this conversation is because he was drafted higher than most Buccaneer fan expectated - and mostly due to a lack of what I’ll call short-term production (2 years verses Rodriquez’s 5 years…and there were others).
What many of us have learned over multiple iterations of draft analysis: players drafted in 1st & 2nd rounds, based on limited productivity and traits, have not turned out great here.
I’ve heard many others, including Fire, DH and Biggsy state they don’t hold this against Trotter. I think we’re all holding our collective breath (each of us had our own rankings of the next coverage ILB we should have taken INSTEAD of Trotter)… and we’re hoping we wrong this time.
Josiah Trotter is a physical beast, he will fit in a Mike-backer role in rotation, and we’ll see if he can develop the recognition/awareness in coverage the guys who drafted him say they saw. If he does, I’m not looking for it this season, it’s going to take time.
The kid has never shown the attitude that Devin White has, so I don’t expect he will in the NFL.
He found his retard strength for that playoff stretch... And God bless him for it.
Then he lost the strength and just became retarded.
But for that brief moment he looked every bit the part we drafted.
lmao. I think White was a clown too, but him being a clown doesnt erase his stats.
In the 2020 season he is probably top 5 in tackles (140) and same in TFLs (15) and throw in 9 sacks on top of that. This is why 50 "simps" voted him 2nd team All pro that season. And if the argument is they are not credible "simps" (LMAO) then that is discrediting LVD because they made him and 2nd team all pro too and the guys were right next to each other.
He then turned that tremendous regular season performance - even by Barrett Rudd standards! - into a great playoff run.
Red Board Bucs fans:
Its okay to say White played well in 2020. The stats (Biggs says stats are truth, right?) back it up and no one is going to come take your PFF Certificate of Merit just because you admit the sun rises in the east.
Yeah I'm agreeing with you. He played great during that stretch and the rest of the time he sucked ass
Trotter is here now and he's a Buccaneer.
I want him to be a perennial All-Pro.
I didn't agree with his draft position at all but I am hoping he sets the standard for linebackers and leads this defense into the next generation.
I saw the same LB rankings as everyone else did pre-draft. I had read his player summary, as I did the other top LBs. I was a little concerned/surprised initially when they took Trotter over CJ Allen or Jake Golday. Then I heard the team’s rationale, and noticed the theme with Bain, him, and K. Scott, and it makes a lot of sense that they wanted to add dawgs who attack upfield. I’ve also read/watched some other things that said his arrow was pointing up in pass coverage the last half season at Mizzou. Given his age, and his shorter college career, it’s totally reasonable to think that his game will continue to grow, especially in pass coverage. I don’t think he’s limited athletically for the Mike LB spot… So, I see what the Bucs vision is for him in their defense and I can see why he was more desirable to them than the other guys. I don’t necessarily expect him to be All-Pro but it wouldn’t surprise me if he became a long term high quality starter. He’ll certainly have the opportunity.
Actually, I agree with this.its very likely that Trotter gets the exact same treatment on the Red Board as White, absent some truly incredible sustained performance for multiple seasons
That kind of treatment is likely because of WHEN he was drafted and who he was drafted instead of . . even though Trotter has ZERO control over that.
White got the treatment that he did because he was a trash player with a trash attitude.
Me too, as far as White goes. White was the easiest kind of player to hate because his ego was the source of the problems (plural).
To clarify again, I have only said that you can see why Bowles might want a LB like Trotter on his defense because of the successful "downhill" role White played in his first two years, BEFORE his ego got the better of him.
The draft position thing was half joke BUT it is definitely NOT just about White and his personality. Players are routinely judged by where they were picked or even by the posiiton the poster took about the plkayer BEFORE they became a Buc. Hall would be an easy example. A bust to many here even though he played an important role for several years on the line . . but when he was picked makes him a bust. SVD is/was a 5th round pick, his failings as a starter are more on Bowles than SVD. Mayfield should've been replaced by Trask because he was not throwing to wide open receivers (as opposed to Canales offense being a little . . . um . . ."limited." or, he was sending runners the wrong way lol.
The board is part Buc fan, part "I told ya so." lol.
How the fuck can anyone believe that a linebacker was never asked to cover someone?
"I mean, he’s not Derrick Brooks or Lavonte David,” Bowles began. “That’s not his style, but he CAN cover. [Missouri] never asked him to cover."
Great attitude. Small start
“Making that transition, you’re going to go against a lot of great athletes,” Trotter said. “A lot of people have a lot of things they have to say about me, everyone has their own things they have to work on. I know I can do it. I’m going to show the coaching staff, and they believe I can do it. So, not really worried about what people say I can and cannot do, because I know what I can do. Just go out there on Sundays and show it on gameday, the number one thing is [putting it] on tape and being about it, not talking about it.”
"[Missouri] never asked him to cover."
Of course they didn't, Todd.
That's why over 47% of his total snaps last season were in coverage.
“That’s not his style, but he CAN cover"
He was graded 710th out of 809 qualifying linebackers in coverage.
Astute analysis, Todd.