I think he's probably expected to play by those who are paying him.
He can sit, not make a dime while being fined, and be under team control next season.
"Colts running back Jonathan Taylor didn’t need to hold in to get a new contract.
According to multiple reports on Thursday morning, Taylor has agreed to a two-year extension"
Colts didn't get the Biggs "How the NFL works" memo
We should probably ask a "local football savant" but its almost like NFL teams sometimes do NOT expect a player to play under a contract he signed . . . like when the market resets the position.
“I don’t think this situation is a peaceful one right now,” Schefter said.
“I think this one could develop into a Micah Parsons-like situation, a Khalil Mack-type situation, where the team doesn’t want to trade him, isn’t going to trade him, but he’s not getting him back on the practice field. And the longer it goes on, the more it recognizes the only choice it might have would be to trade him. But again, nothing now, but I wouldn’t be surprised if later this summer, something comes down like that and it develops in that way.”
Out of curiosity, and this is to both you and Fire, what’s acceptable compensation?
Dexter Lawrence and Quinnen Williams were both recently traded for first rounders. But they were younger, and better than Vea.
Osa Odighizuwa was just traded this year for a 3rd. He is younger, but Vea better than him.
Depending on the team and where I'm estimating their selection would be next season, I'd ask for first or second, but probably take a third and fourth.
yeah im guessing we get a third round pick for him but i also feel the season is shot to hell with him gone as well.
I agree that this would be not a great outcome for the defense this season. There isn’t another nose tackle like him and we need him to make the rest of the d-line (heck the front seven & secondary for that matter) upgrades, work.Out of curiosity, and this is to both you and Fire, what’s acceptable compensation?
Dexter Lawrence and Quinnen Williams were both recently traded for first rounders. But they were younger, and better than Vea.
Osa Odighizuwa was just traded this year for a 3rd. He is younger, but Vea better than him.
Depending on the team and where I'm estimating their selection would be next season, I'd ask for first or second, but probably take a third and fourth.
yeah im guessing we get a third round pick for him but i also feel the season is shot to hell with him gone as well.
But the man said he wanted out.
He still has this season though, and the Bucs don’t have to do anything with him. Is there more value in keeping him for this season (I think so) or picking up a 3rd rounder? That’s likely the decision being made right now. If there is ever a time we could part ways, it’s now due to the depth Licht has built there.
Id hate watching him leave, but I kinda think he stays. He’s at a position, and age, that players start getting 1 year deals.
agree that this would be not a great outcome for the defense this season. There isn’t another nose tackle like him and we need him to make the rest of the d-line (heck the front seven & secondary for that matter) upgrades, work.
But the man said he wanted out.
He still has this season though, and the Bucs don’t have to do anything with him. Is there more value in keeping him for this season (I think so) or picking up a 3rd rounder? That’s likely the decision being made right now. If there is ever a time we could part ways, it’s now due to the depth Licht has built there.
Id hate watching him leave, but I kinda think he stays. He’s at a position, and age, that players start getting 1 year deals.
If there is ever a time we could part ways, it’s now due to the depth Licht has built there.
true
He is an unusual player, not easy to replace but there is some depth
LVD, Evans, Vea? Godwin?
He still has this season though, and the Bucs don’t have to do anything with him. Is there more value in keeping him for this season (I think so) or picking up a 3rd rounder? That’s likely the decision being made right now. If there is ever a time we could part ways, it’s now due to the depth Licht has built there.
The real crime is not seeing Vea with Diaby, Bain, Walker, Robinson, Mohammed, Kancey, Trotter, and Scott
The fans are the real losers here.
I agree that this would be not a great outcome for the defense this season. There isn’t another nose tackle like him and we need him to make the rest of the d-line (heck the front seven & secondary for that matter) upgrades, work.Out of curiosity, and this is to both you and Fire, what’s acceptable compensation?
Dexter Lawrence and Quinnen Williams were both recently traded for first rounders. But they were younger, and better than Vea.
Osa Odighizuwa was just traded this year for a 3rd. He is younger, but Vea better than him.
Depending on the team and where I'm estimating their selection would be next season, I'd ask for first or second, but probably take a third and fourth.
yeah im guessing we get a third round pick for him but i also feel the season is shot to hell with him gone as well.
But the man said he wanted out.
He still has this season though, and the Bucs don’t have to do anything with him. Is there more value in keeping him for this season (I think so) or picking up a 3rd rounder? That’s likely the decision being made right now. If there is ever a time we could part ways, it’s now due to the depth Licht has built there.
Id hate watching him leave, but I kinda think he stays. He’s at a position, and age, that players start getting 1 year deals.
so better chance to win, certainly with Vea playing.
the trade deadline is November 10th and before our bye week
I feel we will go 9-8 if we play to our potential this year, and given how the schedule shakes up, we could be as good as 6-3 heading into the bye. (with end of season woes hitting us - Prime time Carolina game, @ Detroit, @Baltimore, v Rams, then 3 other division games)
BUT....that 6-3 includes a 3-1 start against Bengals, Browns, Vikings, and Packers with 2 prime time losses (DAL, CHI) with other wins over CAR/ATL and PIT. Just can easily be 3-6, 4-5 in this span as well
so could there be a situation where they trade him depending on the season progress? In this situation, Vea is likely sitting out but would need to come back for 6 games for the year to count so that could be an added boost for a playoff run. OR...if we are losers....then yeah let's get a 3rd round pick.
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Vea is 31 years old
Suh retired at 36, Cox at 33, Ngata at 35, and McCoy at 35. Donald was 32 (Favre, Brady style?)
so Vea probably retiring in the 33-34 range i'd guess.
they should consider a 2 year extension but no more than that. The big question is what is his market value. do you give him 20M plus in his father time years? I'd imagine he wants a raise and not just an extension at 18M a year?
them trading Vea here in August would essentially be punting on the season.
Licht did a great job commenting on this and Mayfield, at least the part I read.
I think the thing we keep missing is that the team isn't really going anywhere with bowles as our hc. It's ok to get assets for players that are aging and doesn't really make sense to pay. At this point it's the team holding onto the hope they're going to compete so keeping him is the priority but they're not going to compete so you might as well stop lying to yourself and just trade the dude. Get some draft choices. Keep adding young talent and then maybe we can convince Mayfield to stay if we put things together next year which is still somewhat salveagable with right moves. We aren't terrible as a roster. Just leadership is important and it certainly lacks there.
I think the thing we keep missing is that the team isn't really going anywhere with bowles as our hc. It's ok to get assets for players that are aging and doesn't really make sense to pay. At this point it's the team holding onto the hope they're going to compete so keeping him is the priority but they're not going to compete so you might as well stop lying to yourself and just trade the dude. Get some draft choices. Keep adding young talent and then maybe we can convince Mayfield to stay if we put things together next year which is still somewhat salveagable with right moves. We aren't terrible as a roster. Just leadership is important and it certainly lacks there.
well yeah the ceiling with Bowles is not great but he did surround himself with better coaches in OC and ST hires
the guy needs all the help he can get so losing Vea will certainly hurt.
The Eagles have won their Super Bowl because of the depth they had in the front 7. Bucs could take a page out of their book if they drafted those positions better. Maybe Bain is the start of a new trend.
He still has this season though, and the Bucs don’t have to do anything with him. Is there more value in keeping him for this season (I think so) or picking up a 3rd rounder? That’s likely the decision being made right now. If there is ever a time we could part ways, it’s now due to the depth Licht has built there.
The real crime is not seeing Vea with Diaby, Bain, Walker, Robinson, Mohammed, Kancey, Trotter, and Scott
The fans are the real losers here.
All we have to do to see this is for Vea to honor his contract
I think the thing we keep missing is that the team isn't really going anywhere with bowles as our hc. It's ok to get assets for players that are aging and doesn't really make sense to pay. At this point it's the team holding onto the hope they're going to compete so keeping him is the priority but they're not going to compete so you might as well stop lying to yourself and just trade the dude. Get some draft choices. Keep adding young talent and then maybe we can convince Mayfield to stay if we put things together next year which is still somewhat salveagable with right moves. We aren't terrible as a roster. Just leadership is important and it certainly lacks there.
well yeah the ceiling with Bowles is not great but he did surround himself with better coaches in OC and ST hires
the guy needs all the help he can get so losing Vea will certainly hurt.
The Eagles have won their Super Bowl because of the depth they had in the front 7. Bucs could take a page out of their book if they drafted those positions better. Maybe Bain is the start of a new trend.
If they keep vea for the season their chances are better than not for sure. Maybe they can make both sides happy and re-sign him to a deal that someone would eventually pay him on an open market situation and then trade him to the highest bidder after the season is over. Why wouldn't that be considered? I do think the roster is actually decent enough to make some noise... but man bowles is just awful lol.
Out of curiosity, and this is to both you and Fire, what’s acceptable compensation?
Dexter Lawrence and Quinnen Williams were both recently traded for first rounders. But they were younger, and better than Vea.
Osa Odighizuwa was just traded this year for a 3rd. He is younger, but Vea better than him.
Depending on the team and where I'm estimating their selection would be next season, I'd ask for first or second, but probably take a third and fourth.
Good comps.
Out of curiosity, and this is to both you and Fire, what’s acceptable compensation?
Dexter Lawrence and Quinnen Williams were both recently traded for first rounders. But they were younger, and better than Vea.
Osa Odighizuwa was just traded this year for a 3rd. He is younger, but Vea better than him.
Depending on the team and where I'm estimating their selection would be next season, I'd ask for first or second, but probably take a third and fourth.
Good comps.
I said this in the other thread but I'd take a 2nd and a 4th. I think a third is too low. If they throw in a solid LB or CB depth of some kind then I'd move the 2nd to a 3rd
Licht is GM-speaking... "Not interested in trading" which is a good way to counteract the public trade demand Vea foolishly did... But in the end, I think Vea plays for us this year.
